Managed this as a millennial - had absolutely nothing to do with my parents helping pay half my deposit. Nope, absolutely nothing to do with that whatsoever.
You can afford a home on a single income if your income is 3-4x of the value of the home, roughly.
Where I live lots of people can afford homes, but they are just super angry they can’t afford the homes that they want. They don’t want a 2bed condo for 400-500K. They want single family home with 4bedrooms that’s about 3-4x the size of the condo, even if they don’t have kids, and are outraged such homes aren’t affordable for a single person.
But also, lots of people, don’t save intentionally and still complain they can’t afford stuff, even thought they could if they did save. These are the types who argue with you that 300/mo on gyms is a necessity… but they never go to the gym.
Ok boomer
Average annual family income in the US is around $80k/a. Are you seriously suggesting that families should be looking for homes in the $20k to $30k range? What kind of home, exactly, do you think you get for that?
Cardboard box next to the fish market dumpster.
We used to dream of being next to the fish market dumpster. We had to live in a paper bag outside a hogfat rendering plant. The smell still hasn’t gone away some 50 years later, my wife says.
I think they worded that backwards and are referring to the adage (or maybe that is what the banks go off of?) that your loan shouldn’t be for more than 3x your income. So if you make 80k per year you can generally afford a $240k house.
Going above that 3x means too much of your income goes to paying for the house and you don’t have enough for other living expenses+maintaining the house.
You can afford a home on a single income if the home is 3-4x that of your income, roughly.
FTFY
That’s a really big brush you’ve got there, really painting everything in broad strokes.
The building next door, with 4 units of 1100sqft each (spread over three floors, ughhhh) is $1.6 million CAD per unit.
The boomers have lost all respect
“Ok Boomer” means “that’s nice, now go sit down grandpa, the adults who live in realityare talking”
Except it gets misused on those of us who were the boomers first victims.
The boomers are like people who think misandry is real. Not necessarily in need of torture and public execution, but definitely not worth listening to.
Slurs, contrary to popular belief, do have some utility
slurs used on people for things you cant control ❌️
slurs used on people for things 100% in their control ✅️
Great point fatty.
If you dont like being called “fatty”, dont be fat…
Why didn’t I think of that‽
Yes! So much this!!
Edit: downvotes really?
Edit 2: "your boos mean nothing ive seen what makes you cheer! -Rick and Morty
well now I’m just gonna downvote for being a cringy Rick and Morty fan.
Well now im gonna creampie youre mom for being hot & easy
I feel like it’s more bleeding into, ok x-er now.
Not to say that all of Gen X’s like this, but I’m definitely seeing some of the older ranks falling into this sort of behavior
being a stupid ignorant asshole has nothing to do with age or generations.
i know tons of 20/30 somethings who think just like boomers. who are in the same total denial of reality and living in their little bubble world. they think facts, evidence, etc, is a conspiracy or it’s just straight up evil because it makes them feel bad.
and they want to feel good and think anyone who makes them feel bad should just die.
Yes. But where is the most common? I think that’s the point. That they are usually of the boomer variety.
in my experience it’s everyone. very few people care about facts or evidence. most lemmy posters do not.
i went to college 20 years ago and a huge chunk of my peers were completely immune to facts and evidence back then.
it’s not an age thing, it’s a basic operating feature of human psychology, no matter your age.
people who able to change their views based on new information are exceedingly rare. most folks just follow the ‘party line’ because that’s what gains them social acceptance/popularity, and going against it gets you socially ostracized.
I guess you just proved the point, mate. You dont have to be a boomer to have dumb as fuck takes…
To know what averages are is dumb? Interesting takeaway.
Gen X here, sadly can confirm :( I see what used to be friends turn into selfish people, ignorant derps or conspiracy/russia shills. Or a combination thereof. It’s depressing to watch this process up close and have no antidote.
Let me Tell you a story from a whippersnapper if you care to listen. When I was young and roaming the digital wild West, there’s one thing I kept seeing from my peers. People saying “as a millennial/ gen. Z, I’m sorry for my generation” This is always stuck with me as something that was depressing in and of itself, but that also gave me pause for the idea that we needed to be sorry for something in the first place. They were apologizing for stupid things like memes or childish behavior, but I had seen them do these things in the past and have a great time doing it.
The main thing this taught me is that people are a product of their time and the current time. It’s usually not worth it to just write these people off as lost souls, but rather to reach out and try to peel back that layer of societal contempt. There’s still a human under there and they still have some of the old ideals you used to know, just under a layer of dust. When I see my peers changing nowadays, I don’t let that affect my perception of them, I still remember them as the Goofy 14-year-olds shouting swag in the hallways. Now, whenever I meet up with them, I make the effort to brush off whatever nonsense they’re going on about now and peel back that layer to see the version of them that I know and grew up with.
It’s easier than you might think, just takes a few well placed laughs and you’ve got your friends back
Even assuming your observation was universally true (which I doubt, I firmly believe people can irreversibly deteriorate) - there are circumstances that can prevent you from reaching people. To name the immediate two that come to mind:
- lack of “alone” time that they will spend with you due to family / spouses / jobs
- you simply do not find the key (again, assuming it exists) to “peel back” their layer of anger and frustration that clouds their objectivity
I agree with StarvingMartist, it really is much easier to be an enabler than it is to give a shit about values. It’s easier than you might think.
Sure if you want to belittle my point and make a joke, be my guest! Ultimately I can’t change your mind so I’m not going to bother trying, just like with my friends and family, I’m going to brush off the dust and keep navigating this complex spiderweb we call life.
I just know I won’t be doing it alone and isolated from people just because they have a different viewpoint.
Ironically, you and people who speak like this are the truly belittling ones. It’s much harder and more courageous to hold values and stick to them than it is to delude yourself and others into believing bad things really aren’t that bad, and that we can all hold hands and laugh it away like anime characters if we just try hard enough.
These things are not mutually exclusive, either. You can absolutely cry laugh over something with an evil nazi boomer. It won’t change who they are, though - they need to do that themselves, and comforting platitudes are what they count on people endlessly giving them in order for them never to have a reason to do so.
You and I have very different definitions of sticking to your values.
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Im GenX, and Ill say it. You are all moaning gits, too stupid to get out for your own way because the upvotes from saying “popular thing” are just too good. Every comment I read, goes into this issue like they want to buy a forever home right off the bat in the fancy part of town. Its no wonder people cant afford anything with that mentality.
In 2003, I bought a 25% share of a single bedroom flat in the shitty part of town. It was 8k. I was earning around £4.50 an hour, before tax and national insurance. This was me getting on the ladder. As the cost of housing increased, so did my investment, and I kept on saving. So ten years later, I was able to sell and get into a bigger house in a less shit part of town. Another 10 years later, same thing, only now Im in a pretty OK part of town in a 3 bedroom detached, and it all it took was not being a fucking idiot with my money. And before you accuse me of being rich, I have never once earned more than 30k a year.
So what are people pissing their money away on that I didnt? Well, I cant speak to avocado toast, but I can point to cigarettes and drinking as some of the main reasons why I own a home and no one else I grew up with does.
The Average smoker smokes 10 a day, thats 1 20 deck very 2 days. The average cost of a 20 deck is around 15 quid. So on cigarettes along, thats already 225 quid a month. The average person in the UK has at least one night out a week. The average night out costs around 60 quid. Thats 240 quid. Thats a total of 465 quid per month on just smoking and drinking. Or 5,580 quid a year. Over 10 years thats 55,800 quid. And if you are telling me, that THAT is not enough to get a deposit for a house? Im sorry, Im calling bullshit.
Things might not be as easy as they once were, and yes the prices are stupid, and yes landlords are cunts, but people keep on talking like they have no options. The average wage of a full time worker in the UK is 37k a year. There is zero reason that a person making that much cant save as I have outlined here, and get themselves a deposit for a mortgage that will allow them to be able to afford somewhere to live. But if you want to live in a major city… well, thats a YOU problem. Theres plenty of housing around cities with minimal travel times that are inside values Ive outlined here. A lot of people need to get out of their own way, and stop making excuses. If you want to be able to afford a house, you have to make some sacrifices.
For a community called “LemmyShitPost” there is an awful lot of gold here.
Yes, but it has nothing to do with generations, or age. I prefer “MAGA” to boomer, because I think that’s the group most people have a problem with. MAGA does not correlate well with age. MAGA comes in all ages, and even cuts across class. With the rich class supporting it because it’s to their advantage, and the bigots of the poor class supporting it because they are bigots and ignorant.
The hardship Boomers had was mostly far away and hypothetical. They grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war.
The old Star Trek episode “Gary Seven” has an interesting take on this. Boomers expected that civilization would end before they got to adulthood. Then it didn’t, and they had no idea what to do with themselves.
Then they come to a time when they’re resented by both their parents and their children. The Greatest Generation was horny after the war and literally fucked the Boomers into existence, but realized too late that they didn’t actually like having children. Boomers treated their children the way their parents treated them. Gen X sorta puts up with it, but Millennials aren’t having it.
Other than that, capitalism knew by the 1950s that if they push the working class too hard, they’ll revolt. Better to back off the money printer a little to make sure we can keep running it for as long as possible. And so the working class could have a reasonably comfy life doing the same trades for their whole working life (provided they were white). Over time, capitalism found that it can keep a working class revolt from happening by dividing the working class against each other; racism and religion works pretty well. Then it was time to overclock the money printer.
Boomers expected that civilization would end before they got to adulthood.
I figured that was our (Gen X) curse. I remember being fairly sure I’d not see age 20, given all the dystopian nightmares that seemed to surround us. Maybe it was all the boomer-created media we were saturated in.
I seem to recall Douglas Coupland writing on that in much more evocative ways than I could ever muster…but then, even though he coined “Generation X”, I think he’s one of the very oldest in that generation.
I feel like “having it easier” can be relative. I definitely have it easier than my grandmother who is a black woman born in the late 1930s who only has a high school education. I’ve even had an easier life than my parents in many ways, even if they did achieve the “American Dream”. I may not be able to afford a house right now, but everything else has been easier as a whole so far. I’m in the USA, so we’ll see how the rest of it goes.
ETA: spelling
don’t let context and subtly of reality get in the way of your intergenerational rage narrative!
my parents were stupid ignorant fucks… but the sad fact is their life circumstances meant they were never going to be anything but that.
and plenty of people think stupid and ignorant merely because I dont agree with their extremist political ideology or their doomer mindset or chasing whatever trend is popular on social media that month.
I’m 45, so not a boomer but already too old to get any respect from people in their 30’s (90% of my colleagues for example). Simply speaking about something they didn’t experience (reading a map, installing an OS, meeting the love of your life without a dating app…) gets me a “Ok Boomer” each time so what do I do? I just shut the fuck up. I’m not worried, they’ll be in my position very quickly.
Send them this. I’m sure they will get it.
Bro, I’m 28 and I feel this way. It’s like I became uncool overnight
I mean, I’m going to invite everyone of every age to strip bottomless, take any “back in my day we didn’t have your fancy [whatever]” bitching an moaning you have to do, dip it in honey, roll it in sand, and cram it up your exposed ass.
I’m 38. In my mid-20s, I taught flight school, mainly to people twice my age, and this included a fairly large section on reading Sectional Aeronautical Charts. I’ve got zero fucks to give for someone 7 years my senior pulling “back in my day we had maps” shit.
There’s only two things I hate in this world: people who are intolerant of other people’s generation, and the millennials.
Can also be used to refer to a boomer who seems surprisingly OK.
Can also be used if you agree with former Bengals QB Boomer Esiason.
Who was born in 1961 making him…
I was told the other day by someone younger than me that saying “okay boomer” is cringe now. The new hot hip fan-didly-tastic slang is “unc status” or “aunt status”, apparently. Means the same thing, but in sleek Gen-Z packaging.
Okay zoomer.
When I was growing up, my mom loves using the phrase which would roughly translates to “while you are still going forward, I’m turning back”, which is a thought terminating cliché to mean do as she says because she has experience. She doesn’t say it as much as she used to because she regrets having been a strict parent. But if she pulls that line again, I have a comeback ready to tell her “you’ve turned back, but the environment you grew up in changed”.
i have respect for my grandparents so i dont call them this but when they bring up stuff i just nod becuase its better to let them ramble than sit there and argue with someone who could have a heart attack.
I guess it’s to be expected. Boomers were raised in pure bliss, spent half their lives relatively stress-free. Everything was easy and cheap. When you live an easy life, you get used to being dumb, uninformed and lazy. The same would have probably happened to all zoomers in the same situation.
Note that this is mostly specific to North America, Western Europe, Japan and maybe a few other countries. Pretty much everywhere else boomers aren’t all that different from zoomers, save for regular intergenerational differences.
I guess it’s to be expected. Boomers were raised in pure bliss, spent half their lives relatively stress-free. Everything was easy and cheap. When you live an easy life, you get used to being dumb, uninformed and lazy. The same would have probably happened to all zoomers in the same situation.
I’m not a boomer, but this isn’t quite a fair characterization. Yes, they had cheap college, affordable cars, housing, lots of upward mobility that most of us would love to have today, but they lived through some shit too. Boomers were in their youth when humanity had its closest brush with global nuclear war when the bombers were in the air flying during the Cuban Missile Crisis. They lived everyday with a really good chance the world was going to end in nuclear war. They were the last generation to see a compulsory military draft and many know high school friends that were drafted and died in Vietnam. We think interest rates are bad these days making borrowing expensive. No shit they were having to get mortgages with a minimum of 18% and 19%:
This says nothing about the many racial and sexual discrimination issues that those groups faced making basic life even harder. In Canada it wasn’t until 1964 that a woman could open her own bank account without her husband’s consent. In the USA, redlining preventing people of color from buying homes in better areas denying them untold billions of dollars of generational wealth from real estate appreciation.
Absolutely give the out-of-touch boomers that are dismissive of the problems young people are facing today the shit boomers deserve. They did so much to harvest the benefits of the last century and leave the bill to the younger generations while simultaneously destroying environment for the later generations to thrive the way they did. Just don’t forget that each generation has its problems too and there hasn’t been a generation yet that has been entirely carefree.
In Canada it wasn’t until 1964 that a woman could open her own bank account without her husband’s consent.
My mother would always remind me that in the United States, this was not lifted until 1974.
Eh, this seems to be looking at things with rose-colored glasses. That generation, in the prime of their youth, had to worry about getting drafted into going halfway around the world to fight a war of empire, for instance.
