As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.
The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California’s university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.
In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.
“Maybe it’s time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump,” Newsom said.
Fucking do it. I’ll cum buckets.
It’ll be like a firehose connected to a main
In a shocking twist rural Californian conservatives now want to pay federal taxes.
I’m not mad at this at all I’m thrilled a politician is actually fighting back. He has a history of standing up against trump and the gop status quo
That said this is the first time there is any bite to it and the cynic/realist in me is saying it’s cause he is gearing up for presidential nomination and election. I really hope he is not the Democrat choice.
if the good wife/fight taught me anything the democrats already have someone picked out and priming public for itI just wish we had Bernie i wanna see that timline :'(
I want the timeline where Carter won a second term and the Christian nationalists funding Reagan realized their plan didn’t work and give up on it.
Or how about a timeline where we didn’t immediately give up on
RestorationReconstruction after the Civil WarEDIT: derp.
You’re thinking of Reconstruction. Restoration is just a worthless school of magic.
Lol derp. Fixed.
Just reminded me of “Sliders”…
i want the timeline where harris won lol
If history has taught me anything, the dems will run schumer.
No way, Amy Schumer?!!1?
But yeah history is better data than the good wife lol
What is a donor state?
Indeed, cbsnews. What is a “donor state”?
Maybe if you could use that term a few dozen more times, other outlets could pick it up and it would eventually back up into Fox News’ talking points where they’d have to either lie utterly, or risk their viewers’ comprehension that red states take money from blue states. Charity, let’s say. MAGA heads would temporarily be offline.
MOTHERFUCKING DO IT
Stop bending the knee to a felon rapist traitor who uses the military to assault American citizens.
Stop providing welfare to failing red states who elect felon rapist traitors who target blue states.
I’ve been talking to alot of people about something like this. If CA didn’t pay federal tax, and all of it went to state, CA would make more money. Don’t want to incite insurrection…but I think we could do alright by ourselves if push came to shove.
Yeah, but just wait for when King Trump makes California pay tariffs to trade with the remaining states! He’ll bleed CA dry!
Then CA negotiates trade deals with Asia and quits doing business with US altogether.
Don’t forget Canada. It would suck having to ship everything by boat to BC, but at least there wouldn’t be tarrifs anymore
Yeah he’d try, Smartiest Economier he is. interstate trade is generally critical, but a good chunk of agriculture in the U.S.A. is in CA (Powerd by water from the hoover, yes) throw in Silicon valley, Hollywood, and Napa, CA putting tarrifs on the U.S.A. would hurt too, maybe more.
The country will starve in a famine between that and climate change/mass extinction
I feel like the lady in Melancholia
CA doesn’t HAVE to export goods to anyone. you can deny sale to anyone.
I don’t know how this would work, but do it.
I don’t expect Governor Greaseball to follow though, but I would wholeheartedly support this. And secession. I’d also support secession.
Feel free to join Canada my friends.
just fucking do it, you asshole.
It’s grandstanding…but it pisses off the Orange Turdburgler so I can’t complain too much.
Frankly I’d be surprised if anyone even does their taxes in this next cycle. Give dumpster nothing. Cut him off. Let congress figure out how their gonna pay the military and ICE and golf with their own dime to keep this shit up.
Most people have their federal tax withheld by their employers and do their taxes in order to get back their overpayment. Are we all going to not do our taxes and leave that overpayment in the government’s coffers? Are employers going to stop doing the withholding? Neither scenario is very likely.
Go to HR. Ask for a W-4, change withholding to $0.
That’s only going to cause little people more problems as they get audited. The thought is nice but no way would the feds pass up the opportunity to ruin people’s lives for this.
And it’s not like withholding some tax revenues would have any effect on Republican spending. Despite their bullshit “fiscal conservatism” rhetoric, they’ve had no qualms whatsoever about running enormous deficits for more than half a century now. A tax strike would just produce more debt and give Republicans ammo to blame it all on Democrats.
They’ve actually run those deficits up very intentionally. If you aren’t familiar with the Two Santas Strategy, this is worth a read:
I hope people reading this aren’t taking this advice seriously… The IRS will fuck you up. They have less funding, but that only means that they only go after low hanging fruit (AKA people who can’t afford a team of lawyers to fight). They’ll garnish your fucking wages.
Kinda crazy that the comment is so highly upvoted… I get the sentiment, but you’re giving people really bad advice here.
Nice try Steve miller. Go jump up your butt.
OK, go ahead and change your withholding to $0 and see what happens. Publicly announcing your intentions to stop paying federal taxes will definitely help as well.
I do zero withholding every year because I get a higher return by investing it. And I’ve been openly posting about tax resistance for years. It’d be a lot more realistic if my whole state was on board!
I meant “do zero withholding, and then don’t file taxes” as that was the implication.
I know what tax resistance is, I’m just talking about the (very real) consequences that people better be ready for if they take that advice.
DOGE already scrapped the IRS
You think the IRS doesn’t exist anymore? You think that the federal government is just going to stop collecting taxes?
Lol.
Stop whining. She left you for Elon. And it’s entirely justified with how much of an asshole you are. Just think how big of a loser you are to make him the winner.
She left you for Elon.
Lol what. Are you doin ok, buddy?
the govt doesn’t need money to spend it btw - this is how we got the national debt
this could affect something but not as much as youmight think
“Doing your taxes next cycle” just accounts for bonuses/corrections after reviewing taxes that had been paid through the year. It happens every paycheck.
Some people have very daringly chosen to withhold all taxes from each paycheck - there are legal reasons you might do this like “I plan to have a large tax write-off”, but without said reason, it’s very possible the IRS would come after you.
One thing that might be misunderstood here is that California not paying taxes wouldn’t harm Trump. Trump’s goal, made clear from a sum of lots of behaviors, is the destruction of the United States. Defaulting on its debt, zeroing its GDP, destroying the livelihood of its inhabitants, and ultimately killing its war machine, so that they can’t fight Putin’s army. California’s lack of payment may just hasten that goal.
It might put California on the track to surviving Trump’s destruction and becoming a civilized country opposed to Putin, unlike other US states.
I don’t think he is a puppet of Putin. I think he really, really likes money and power, that’s it. He does things to further his own grip of the country, thus increasing his power. Or, he does things to increase his wealth. Nothing more. He likes authoritarian leaders because they have more of a hold on their respective countries (a weird form of respect), or because they give him money (or expensive planes).
I don’t like Gavin Newsom, but I really hope he does this. It would be so funny 🥲
I won’t be holding my breath, but it would be hilarious.
If just New York and California did this, it would cripple some red states
All red states. It would cripple the country and thus ALL red states.
Good. Even my state provides more, than we get. Fuck em! Let them have their Jesus Land. That will make America great, no red states.
Same, I’m in one of the few red states that actually makes money. But honestly I’m at the point where I’m just like whatever. Fuck it, right? Just burn it down so our rot doesn’t infect the rest of the world. Seriously, this would be a mercy killing at this point. Please don’t let this spread.
My guess is that Newsom’s only angle would be to say “on X date, all state employee income tax withholdings will go into escrow.” Thats about a quarter million employees out of 20m people filing for taxes in CA.
Then the state would have to start coding and integrating that new system which - would be a HUGE pain in the ass. And while that was happening, this would likely be getting shut down by the SCOTUS.
Not trying to be a Debby downer for people that want to stick it to Trump. At first glance, it looks like leverage, but when you look closer, you see that Newsom can only control a small piece of the pie.
As Trump has shown, legality doesn’t matter if you can drag out the legislative process long enough. Clearly, California withholding taxes will be struck down by the courts, but the damage will be done if it can be dragged out long enough to disrupt the bond market even further than Taco already has.
also depends how many other states follow suit, if any.
I think the bigger impact here is how it brings the tax imbalance into the conversation. Look at how effective that argument has been at fuelling Albertan separatism. It’s especially effective on Conservatives, who are absolutely suckers for anything that suggests they’re getting a bad deal. “We pay too much for too little” is something that he could easily get most of California to rally around.
By pushing this line, Newsom is driving a wedge between California and the US. I couldn’t possibly say whether he’s actually trying to fuel separatism, or simply gesturing at it as a threat, but that’s the implied danger here.
Although some of his shit gets shut down pretty fast. Some of his immigration stuff got put on ice fast by the SOCTUS.
Join Canada.
CA CA
Most Americans would be unhappy in Canada. You don’t have the right to own a gun in Canada. Employees have rights in Canada. We have actual religious freedom in Canada, not the right to discriminate based on “religion”. Women have the right to choose in Canada. Hate speech isn’t protected in Canada. We’re a VERY different country even compared to your most liberal states.
Sounds much like a blue state. You don’t have the right to own a gun in MA for example. You have a right to submit an application for your local police chief to deny or approve based on how much they like you.
You do have the right to own at gun in MA as guaranteed by the Second Amendment. No such right exists in Canada. In Canada gun ownership is a privilege which can be revoked and which has strict training, licensing, and handling requirements.
Strict is a loose term. A Canadian neighbour had more than 10 guns, overkill for city apartment living…but if you have a valid license its fair game
Realistically though, if you’re not a f***ing moron and don’t have a criminal record, it’s not hard to get your PAL and the ability to have long-guns. It’s a day-course.
The RPAL is a bit more work and more restrictions in terms of transport etc, but it’s not necessary for most people that would just want to go hunting or target shooting (except target shoots with handguns).
IMO - as somebody who has a PAL - the rules around responsible ownership in Canada are pretty reasonable. Some of the recent stuff over particular firearms is dumb especially with the lacklustre enforcement against trafficking etc, but stuff around safe storage and use 100% makes sense to me whereas the “public carry” stuff in the US is kinda horrifying to me.
Agreed. I’m not a gun owner but was around guns as a kid (dad was a hunter) and he was super into safety of the whole thing. Except my friends dad wasn’t so safe, he had us reloading shotgun shells via purpose built relaoding carousal as kids. My friend had no qualms about it, but I’m like dude make sure the primer isn’t skewed when the shell comes down, careful with that. I had visions of a crimped primer setting off the powder lol
Strict by American standards. My 16 year old son is on his way into the house to get my keys so that I can unlock the ammo box to give him .22 quiets so that he can try out his new Winchester rifle that arrived by mail today.
Canadian kids 12 through 17 can apply for their gun license. Or If you are with a licensed owner you can handle guns. I went hunting with my dad in the teen days. Canada is not as strict as the US folk believe, especially if you live rurally and are hunting, you can be under 12. We just don’t use it to attach our identity too like gun nuts in the USA
Used to be that way here as well. Gun nuts existed but even most of the right thought they were crazy and pathetic.
Grew up in the deep south. Guns were a tool, back then. Most people didn’t own a handgun, those that did tended to have one or two. .38 special and a .22 pistol for plinking. Like other tools they are toys as well so people like guns and have a lot of fun with them. Seeing them as weapons to kill people was a distant afterthought other than safety considerations.
Most gun owners had only long guns. .22 for small game and plinking, scoped bolt or lever 30-06 for larger game. Several gauge of shotguns for different types of hunting and skeet shooting.
Live in a blue/purple state now. Our home is an old farmhouse. My study has a gun rack built in to the closet original to the house. It is sized to fit that use pattern and fits my family like a glove.
I gotta go check my groundhog traps, cute little fuckers destroy foundations and you aren’t even allowed to catch and release, by law you are supposed to dispatch and not relocate. I dispatch with a long barrel .22 revolver.
My 16 year old is out shooting his brand new arrived today .22 right now. He has a PL (possession license) while I have a PAL (possession and acquisition license.) He is allowed to possess guns without supervision but he is not allowed to acquire them.
In MA and a few other states gun ownership is a privelege that is granted based on personal bias and can be revoked. They also have training licensing and handling requirements.
Looking at the laws online the only major difference I see is in CA you can no longer buy a handgun due to the freeze.
Gun laws by state vary wildly.
In MA and a few other states gun ownership is a privilege that is granted based on personal bias and can be revoked. They also have training licensing and handling requirements.
I did a little bit of reading and I don’t think that’s true. You have the protected constitutional right to own guns as guaranteed by the second amendment but the exercise of that right is subject to licensing and permitting requirements and may be suspended under some circumstances (such as your being designated a danger to society.) (This sounds more like a, “mah rights!” argument than anything else to me. )
That’s quite different from Canada where you have literally no right to own a gun at all.
Its not though, there is literally constitution legal contention over the issue. There are a few states like MA, NY and a few others where they call it a "may issue"state because it’s not a right in those states.
That’s not how the US constitution works.
There’s also a lot more rules about everything and y’all pay more taxes than us. Nowhere is perfect. Source : helped a friend open a business in Vancouver during the pandemic and eventually got shut down by the city for ‘permits’ despite having used the business to raise over $200k CAD for charity
EDIT: also, there aren’t any school shootings, even though there are plenty of trump supporters
Canada has more regulations, that’s for sure, but that’s why our banking industry survived the US banking meltdown. Our tax rates are comparable but very few Canadians go bankrupt because of medical debt. I was diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma last year. I got an ultrasound, two chest x-rays, a CT scan, three PET scans, two pulmonary function studies, an echo cardiogram, a PICC line, 12 PICC care appointments, 20 bloodwork appointments, and six months of chemo and my out of pocket expenses were less than $4,000 which included parking, gas, and meals for my driver. We have school shootings but they are very rare and far less deadly than in the US because of strict gun regulations.
Well that’s the thing, the city gets money from permits not via the charity. If you follow your local city licensing and permits then things go well
If you compare taxes paid to what you would spend on medicine and health care or other out of pocket, you would be further ahead in Canada. While not perfect, we have social systems to try to level the playing field for all. With deductions and tax credits my 22-24% tax bracket is actually only about 13% paid tax
