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      Not American and maybe I’m just OOTL but this confuses me as well… I’m aware of a peaceful protest against the mass deportations, but what else? Why do they need armed soldiers??

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          It’s the next step in his takeover. He already controls the government. He controls business through tariffs. Now he needs to control the people.

          Once he’s got control internally, he’ll turn his eyes to other countries. What we’ve seen so far with his threats will become reality as he annexes Canada, Mexico, and Greenland to secure natural resources and wages a full economic war on anyone else who challenges him (China, EU)

          It’s pretty textbook rise of Nazi Germany 1930s. None of this should be surprising.

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            Yeh as a Canadian I’m pretty sure we’re next after he crushes the democratic states. Can’t build an empire without conqueting your neighbours.

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    This took less than 3 days.

    Less than 3 days of mild protest in one city and Trump is saying the governor needs to be arrested and is using the military against civilians.

    This wasn’t even classed as a riot.

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    The president deploying the national guard, let alone the fucking MARINES, to “assist police” is a direct violation of the posse comitatus act, which was written to SPECIFICALLY PREVENT ANY PRESIDENT from using the military as law enforcement

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      Trump has been using the Constitution as toilet paper with zero consequences. Why do you think he cares about this?

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    Traitor president.

    The sooner Americans learn to accept this is the historical event currently unfolding, the sooner we can take care of him and his enablers.

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    Did Trump declare martial law while I was asleep? Because last time I checked, he can’t deploy the military on US soil unless the country is in a state of emergency. And peaceful protests don’t count.

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        Well, he IS the king of America (and Canada, Panama and Greenland), so why would he need approval?

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        The people setting those fires should absolutely be charged for their actions. But their actions don’t negate the Constitutional rights of everyone else who is protesting. And calling in the National guard before the local authorities have declared the situation to be out of their control, is a direct violation of Constitutional law.

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            But, when you say, “they”…you are painting the entire protest as violent, unless you make the distinction that it isn’t. And the vast majority of protestors are simply exercising their 1st amendment rights, in a perfectly legal manner.

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              I never said they were violent, I haven’t heard of anything violent (edit: from the protesters) yet personally. There’s a difference between peaceful, not peaceful, and violent.

              If there’s enough bad actors doing things like setting cars on fire, then it warrants a larger police presence (but not the national guard at this level or ever the military)

              Edit: Just to add clarity, it warrants a larger police presence, because they are in fact no longer peaceful. Sure most people are, but the protest itself isn’t.

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        Impressive how the troll farms always manage to put one “yeah people were hurt but what about property?!” in every thread about our pigs.

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        Waymo’s are ultimately used for surveillance to intimidate protesters. Ideally they wouldn’t get burned, but at this point they have chosen to side with authoritarians (tho that is expected of corporations)

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          I’d love to see proof that Waymo is providing live footage to the police to help manage the protests if you have it. That’s pretty fucked up if true. (edit: Burning is still bad, but I’d be down for defacing (e.g throwing paint on it) if so.)

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            An example

            Granted, this is not about the protest, and it is too early for that footage to be used so far. Still we know the current admin is not happy about any protest and was elected on themes of revenge. It is worth taking steps to protect protesters from being targeted in the coming days and weeks.

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              I think it comes down to did waymo freely provide it (article doesn’t say up to where it wants me to sign up) or did the police have a warrant.

              If they have a warrant, I think that’s legitimate. I don’t think Waymo should be responding to police requests without a warrant though, otherwise it will breed distrust, and rightfully so.

              The police have been known to demand footage from Tesla’s in the area of crimes as well, again as long as its with a warrant, or the individual owner decides to provide it, I think that’s fine. I want to make the distinction that if an owner of a car that has cameras wants to provide it, i think that’s okay, but as a corporation, with a fleet of vehicles, that should never happen without a warrant.

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    Congress could end this immediately, by revoking Trump’s emergency powers. Spineless traitors the whole lot of them.

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    Everyone, go to your local retailer that sells crayons and get a variety of colors from different manufacturers. You never know what flavor or brand they will want so it’s best to have a spread. You can use that to barter or as a lure.

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    I keep seeing people talking about the Marines and the National Guard being deployed, and this is certainly egregious and the blame for it rests squarely on Trump’s head… But I have not seen many people mention that the LAPD are not being deployed by Trump. They are being deployed by Californian Politicians, and from the livestreams and videos I’ve seen, the police are the ones shooting LTL rounds and flahsbangs at civilians and reporters. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the police response has been unacceptably violent, national guard or not. It is the violence from the police that has historically, and will in this instance as well escalate the situation.

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      I think LAPD are essentially their own political institution, barely accountable to civilian or elected leadership

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    So this is what freedom looks like? Where are all the 2nd Amendment fanboys when they’re needed? Probably sitting in the parents basement surfing the net for manga.

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      2nd Amendment fanboys

      That was just cosplay.

      Where the actual fuck are all the active duty military personnel who all swore an oath to defend the constitution from all threats, foreign and domestic? They are literally oath-bound to engage Donald Trump the same way they do any other enemy of the United States.

      Do your fucking job already!

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    Posse Comitatus:

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/posse-comitatus-act-explained

    What does the Posse Comitatus Act say?

    The Posse Comitatus Act consists of just one sentence: “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

    In practice, this means that members of the military who are subject to the law may not participate in civilian law enforcement unless doing so is expressly authorized by a statute or the Constitution.

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      Is it a nitpick to say since the posse comitatus mentions the army and air force, but not the navy, it doesn’t apply to the marines? I have no clue, I just know the US are very literal with their laws.