• OldChicoAle@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 day ago

      And culture to a point. My family is from India and places more importance on social standing and “what others think” than personal freedom or happiness. That’s why I never have plans to tell my parents I’m gay. I see my uncles and aunts refuse to accept that their kids married non-Indians. I can only imagine how my parents would react to being a gay man.

  • 58008@lemmy.worldEnglish
    425·
    2 days ago

    Calling unnecessary circumcision of boys “genital mutilation” sounds frivolous because it makes it sound like you’re placing it alongside FGM in terms of its effects and severity. But it is nevertheless genital mutilation, by just about any definition you care to put forward. The men living in the non-circumcision-crazed countries of the world aren’t constantly having their blackened rotten cocks drop off from all the dick disease they’re allegedly exposed to by having an intact penis, so I don’t understand why you would feel the need to do this to your kid without a specific medical reason (of which there are very few that require surgical removal of the skin).

    “But if you don’t wash it, it gets dickcheese!” and the solution to that is slicing the fucking skin off of it? The clue is in the warning: wash it. Teach your sons to care for their wilberts. Telling them to lather up their bellend in the shower is hardly something that needs prompting anyway.

    Personal/intimate hygiene should be part of regular schooling. Not even as part of sex ex, just “how to care for your vessel” kinda shit. Don’t drink to excess, walk and move at least 10 minutes a day, stay away from illegal drugs, be careful with prescription drugs, and wash your bastard stinksausage.

    • grepe@lemmy.world
      2·
      22 hours ago

      “But if you don’t wash it, it gets dickcheese!”

      did you know that when you don’t wash your hands you get lot of dirt stuck behind your fingernails? i got an idea! maybe we should take a pair of pliers and take those off as well. does that sound reasonable? no? that’s exactly how this “argument” makes me feel. when you don’t wash it then it gets dirty so we’d better cut it off is some really dumb stuff…

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      10·
      1 day ago

      As an American who wasn’t circumcised, this country is so fucking weird about it. Like I got teased for it occasionally. People talk about hygiene, but from what I hear you’re unlikely to find a guy who cleans his asshole but not his foreskin. Like, do what you want with your body, get circumcised if you want, bifurcate the thing if you want, I don’t even have a dick anymore, but circumcising babies is taking that freedom away from them for reasons that always sound ludicrous to me.

      And for the attractiveness thing, I’ve had exes who think foreskin is really hot, and personally I think dicks look super weird without it.

  • Aeri@lemmy.world
    463·
    2 days ago

    Kinda fucked up how people basically ignore the fact that we do genital mutilation in America.

      • Virtvirt588@lemmy.world
        71·
        2 days ago

        Its actually hurtful to watch the strong opposition to cirumcision involving girls yet barely any opposition involving boys. It looks like another take on sexism and like one commenter said, it makes it more difficult for trans people.

        Circumcision for both genders should only be a medical decision, not a thing you or your parents decide just because.

        • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 day ago

          I get where you’re coming from, and I absolutely don’t want to minimise anyone’s pain, but circumcision is not really equivalent to FGM in terms of consequences.

          graphic detail

          Often FGM includes removal of the clitoris and some of the vulva, leaving girls with a tiny aperture sealed with scar tissue requiring new fully torn flesh to achieve penetration, and girls and women who have been mutilated in this way are usually unable to feel any pleasure during sex, only pain. FGM much more like having the whole glans chopped off and half of the two sides of the wound sewn together than it is like male circumcision.

          Feel very free to firmly oppose circumcision, but please don’t suggest that FGM is the same. It really really really isn’t. It’s very very different in what’s removed, very very different in how much ongoing pain it causes, very very different in the effect on sensation, and it’s not equivalent.

          It’s like suggesting that it’s not fair that people treat cars running into people so much seriously than bikes running into people, except everyone, whether they ride a bicycle or a car, can see how incorrect that is, whereas a vast number of prior have no idea how brutal FGM is, which is how you end up with people claiming circumcision is just as bad. I mean, don’t get me wrong. It’s bad. But it’s in a whole different level and world of consequences for the girl than for the boy.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      1029·
      2 days ago

      Not having kids, but it was done to me and I’m fine with it.

      I’ve been in a relationship for ages now, but before that all the womem I asked said that preferred cut over uncut. Literally. All. Of. Them. It was at least a dozen.

      But hey, don’t let me disrupt this whole… Uhh… Thing you guys got going on this thread.

      • ChexMax@lemmy.world
        10·
        1 day ago

        Literally no thoughtful or reasonable sexual partner is going to say they prefer the type of penis it’s impossible for you to have, so that data is wildly biased.

        I’m a woman and I’ve been with both. I don’t really care either way (and I feel confident most women who have actually been with both don’t really care) but my best lasting lover by far was uncut. I will not circumcise any sons I have.

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 day ago

          Also in America cut is so normal that people may prefer it because they’re used to it.

          But also, it’s fucking wild to argue to cut a piece off your baby’s genitals because of what future partners may mildly prefer. I wasn’t circumcised because my mom was firmly against the practice and I’m grateful for that.

          And to add my anecdotes, back when I had a dick the foreskin never got in the way of me getting laid, and one ex was super excited to learn I had it.

      • Emerald (she/her)@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 day ago

        If you are fine with being circumcised, that seems like the best possible outcome and I’m glad you are happy with your body in that way. However, many people were circumcised and are not fine with it. After all, it is a choice made for them without their consent. Also, it shouldn’t matter what women prefer. It should be your body, your choice. If someone wants to get circumcised later in life, that is their choice.

      • Pogbom@lemmy.world
        19·
        2 days ago

        The mistake in all of this discussion is making those who are circumsized feel ashamed about it at all. No one should feel bad about being circumsized.

        Now that that’s out of way, that’s a pretty weak counterargument. Your justification for why we should keep doing it is that society prefers it? That’s exactly the thing that’s finally being pushed back against. It’s inherently a barbaric practice that serves no medical purpose (for the large majority) and is purely aesthetic, and we’re doing it to newborn babies so they can look like their daddies and keep the social norm alive.

        You don’t have anything to feel bad about and it’s great that it hasn’t been a hindrance for you, but as soon as one generation stops, your argument will be moot.

        • some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world
          103·
          2 days ago

          The only shaming I’ve seen in this thread so far is of the parents who made that decision, and rightly so. People like the guy you replied to are perpetuating the issue by being so nonchalant about it.

      • FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world
        112·
        2 days ago

        You’re obviously American, as were the women

        It’s ok, we in the civilised world already think you’re stupid, your attitude towards mutilating the dicks of little boys is just another reason why we do.

      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        34·
        2 days ago

        it’s wild to me how many let this one thing dominate their entire identity and rail against their parents for it.

        • CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world
          51·
          1 day ago

          Our parents are fallible. Its okay to point out the fucked up shit they did to us and say “this shit is fucked up”

          • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            23 hours ago

            yeah they should have beaten more kids so they wouldn’t have time to winge about this garbage

  • daannii@lemmy.worldEnglish
    301·
    2 days ago

    Do you know why UK men are rarely circumcized when it’s the norm in the U.S?

    At some point the UK government decided that circumcision wouldn’t be covered by the national health insurance.

    And just like that. It went out of fashion.

    I’m sure the greedy U.S insurance companies would be more than happy to stop covering that service.

    Fight fire with fire.

    Get the insurance companies to stop covering it. And we can finally save boys from being mutilated.

      • daannii@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        2 days ago

        Yeah cause mutilating baby genitals is bad. Most people get that.

        But also my example was to illustrate how the trend was changed in the UK and perhaps it’s a possible way to do the same in the U.S.

    • kablez@lemmy.world
      81·
      2 days ago

      A kid died in Australia because a doctor botched the circumcision of a toddler and he went septic.

      Barbaric cultural practise to do it to children, but I do think it’s fine if they medically need it or you are an adult and want it done.

      • daannii@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        2 days ago

        Yeah adults can decide and of course it treats conditions like phimosis which is when the foreskin is super tight.

      • some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world
        4·
        2 days ago

        It may have started that way, but nowadays it’s normalized to the point where it’s something most people just automatically do. Any harm to the person undergoing this is waved away and rationalized as “it will hurt for just a second and they won’t remember it anyway”.

        After my brother-in-law had his boy, he proudly announced they were taking him to be circumcized. Taken aback, I asked him why - he’s one of the most non-religious people I’ve ever known. I was just met by an empty stare, as if I were the weird one for asking. Sadly, at this point it might be more popular than the essential vaccines which are supposed to be administered at birth.

  • TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    321·
    2 days ago

    amab genital mutilation makes bottom surgery more complicated for transfems

    yes it’s also immoral and shouldn’t be done on infants of any gender who can’t give consent (and should be illegal, as should intersex genital mutilation, aka “surgical correction”)

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 day ago

      Yeah, though American bottom surgeons are so used to it they see the foreskin as making it easier rather than the lack of it making it more difficult. At least that’s how it was for my surgeon

  • Dearth@lemmy.world
    191·
    2 days ago

    Its like 10 in² removed by circumcision. Not necessarily length or girth from your dick. But 10 in² of incredibly sensitive skin on your sex organ.