Some Tesla engineers secretly started designing a Cybertruck alternative because they ‘hated’ it::“They were like, ‘You can’t be serious.’ They didn’t want to have anything to do with it,” Franz von Holzhausen said, according to Walter Isaacson.
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Good luck getting a base model F150 at a decent price. I tried earlier this year and only 3 dealers East of the Mississippi had the base model and they all wanted $30,000 OVER MSRP. Ford can lick my butt for not making enough base models and trying to push their XLT and platinums starting at $75k. I need a truck to work in not have it open and close the lift gate for me.
At this point I’ll take a shit looking truck at a decent price over whatever the duck Ford and their dealers thought was a good idea with producing so little of the base model, not to mention base model with extended range batteries were ONLY available to fleet purchasers.
You are actually allowed to buy directly from the manufacturer. Contact the Ford plant. They’ll sell it to you at MSRP
Not the pro model (base model). You can order direct for all other trims though
It’s almost like lithium supply chains are absolutely fucked, and EVs would get zero traction without government subsidies.
Feels good though. Saving the world. (/S)
We actually just discovered the largest deposit of lithium on earth in Nevada, so those should get unfucked in the next couple years.
Kansas has declared all their children available for the mines.
The “micron precision” memo that leaked tells me they’re nowhere close to mass production. At my old job, tolerances were pretty much set when we finished a design for a large chemical unit operation – which was typically built within two years. I would expect mass production of something like a car to not to take too much longer.
I see what you did there, stealing thunder with the Lightning.
And yes, Ford’s approach is smart, cheaper, and more utilitarian. Besides, it doesn’t stand out like a smashed thumb in a splint.
Rivian also has some decent designs. I know that Ford has a stake in the company, but it’s only holding 12%, so I don’t know that they have much say in what goes on over there.
I could’ve sworn Ford sold out in April. Also I love the idea of a Rivian, looks so good, but one of my customers has had one on order for so long it might as well be the cybertruck to him at this point.
It hasn’t even been 4 years
Gotta cut everyone some slack when estimating time since the pandemic. 3 years was 10 years ago.
I’m 46. As far as I’m concerned, the 90s was last week.
Same, and my music taste still reflects that :(
28 – the 2010s feel like just a year or two ago, and my music taste reflects that too :(
You’re right on that one, the struggle is real. Comes up in conversation pretty often.
Any day now, the cyber truck will come whizzing down the hyperloop with its sub 10 micron build tolerance and tornado proof glass, fully autonomously driving of course. Any day now.
I really want to see one after it’s hit by a heavy hail storm.
hit by a heavy hail storm.
…or even a champagne bottle!
Obviously, it will have front-mounted flamethrowers.
It’s looks like a little kid was drawing a house and halfway said, fuck it, it’s a car and put wheels on it.
There’s no way in hell this shit doesn’t completely flop, right? Like, who in their right mind would buy this garbage aside from techbros riding Elon’s pole?
There’s a ton of goobers that want it, but very few are actually going to be able to afford it. It’s going to be 80k plus
If it weren’t for Musk standing to make a profit from it and Tesla’s history of questionable design decisions and quality issues, I’d potentially be interested in one. I like how it looks (although my aesthetic choices are certainly not everyone’s cup of tea,) and the specs are pretty impressive if they manage to deliver on them.
There’s a lot of hunger out there for more EV trucks, musk fanboys will gobble up anything he is involved in, and lots of people make questionable vehicle purchases, I think it will sadly sell just fine.
I predict it will flop harder than the Segway.
Wait, should I stop expecting the Segway to finally become the next big thing??
Here’s to hoping Musk tries some extreme cyber trucking on a very high and dangerous cliff somewhere too.
There are plenty of people not in their right minds who have the money (or access to financing) and questionable taste to go buy the thing as soon as it’s available.
wait it’s still in process, not out yet? How long is the development during, for this horror?
The OG cybertruck reminds me of Lara Croft in the OG Tomb Raider.
If you know you know, looks like a shitty prototype.
I thought he was always the only engineer tho. This implies he does not do his own designs. Very sus. /s
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It was supposed to be sarcasm but I guess it didn’t translate well via text. I’ll add the /s, sorry :)
(I am an engineer, so this lie by him has always irked me)
So both the engineers and everyone in the comments is just saying they hate/like the look of it? That’s the last important part. As I understand it, the Cybertruck is never going to be allowed to the roads in Europe because of how unsafe it is. That’s what people should be interested in. Looks can be pleasing to some and ugly to others and that’s ok.
I’ve been wondering about its crumple zones. So… does it not have any ?
The other car is the crumple zone.
I wonder how much the other car’s crumple zone affects the performance of your own. I wouldn’t be surprised if one car not having one would degrade the performance of the one that does.
In which case, these cars actually become a public safety risk.
the bodies of children it’s software won’t detect will have plenty of crumple zones, don’t see what’s the issue
the thing is a giant slab of angled metal, when it crashes into things my guess is the hood will slide backwards and “dissect” entire people.
That’s a threat with most vehicles and is easily engineered for. Aside from visibility problems, we can’t know what real safety issues it might have until we get crash test data.
How unsafe is it? I’ve not seen any crash test results.
Why are people so convinced that the Cybertruck won’t be safe? Of all the bad things we can say about Tesla, it’s a fact that they’re quite safe vehicles. I see no reason why the company would suddenly build a vehicle that is so unsafe it cannot be sold in Europe. Some comments in this thread say it doesn’t have any crumple zones. How strong do you think 3mm stainless steel is? The strength of every vehicle comes from its frame, not from its body panels. Same thing with the Cybertruck.
Safety isn’t just about the driver though, you also have to think about what happens when they hit pedestrians or other cars. I gotta say, there’s a lot of vehicles I’d much rather be hit by than this if I had a choice
There are also pedestrian safety laws. I’m not convinced that the Cybertruck is less safe than any other similar-sized pickup truck. If anything, the nose is a bit lower, so it’d let a pedestrian fall on the hood more than if they were hit by another truck.
Either way, the stainless steel isn’t going to be a factor, and the pickup market is flooded with vehicles that are less safe for pedestrians than lower cars.
Y’know, I wanted one until I learned anything about Tesla as a company or about Elon, and then I decided it’s vaporware and will probably never be delivered for reasons that are stupid. Looking from the outside but with experience shipping big software releases, this smells a lot like what you get when you think of QC not as an engineering discipline, but as a cost to be minimized.
Drive one from California to Texas and see where the body panels pop off.
Barstow.
Am I the only person besides Elon who likes the cybertruck? I hate agreeing with that idiot on anything, but I think the cybertruck looks cool.
It’s intentionally designed to look polarizing. You’re not gonna find a lot of people sitting on the fence on this one and since it looks so different from every other car on the market there’s gonna be a lot of people who aren’t into the change. But yeah I hate it.
Yes. It looks stupid.
The concept version scratched an itch I’ve had about seeing cyberpunk influence in modern car design really well. The more recent images remind me that it’s indeed a soulless corpo who would create a cyberpunk hell scape in a heartbeat if it could.
It’s this. I want a Tron themed EV and I want it to not look stupid driving around suburbia.
And I’m afraid that those two things are mutually exclusive. Part of the cyberpunk aesthetic is the lack of soccer moms and hotdog stands.
It looks like a cheap, “futuristic” car that would be in a vintage sci-fi movie.
I mean, there is nothing else on the road that looks like it for better or worse
I like it, but honestly, the bigger reason I want it is the supposed 14k+ tow capacity.
If it doesn’t actually achieve that, which I’m definitely dubious it will, it’s a nonstarter for me.
I’d expect that to arrive at the same time as the unbreakable glass and the full self driving.
I think it looks okay but it’s just way too big
I think it’s mostly that the roof comes to a point. If it had a flat roof it’d look a lot better.
I love it too. It’s completely ridiculous and ugly in a way that appeals to me.
There’s a lot to hate. It’s insanely ugly. It’s like a PT Cruiser and a Nissan Cube mated and all the worst car genes went right into the CybeR TruCk.
Slightly off-topic, but do you know what I hated the most about the Nissan Cube? IT WASN’T A FUCKING CUBE!
What was weird is that the rear dome lights had consenteic waves radiating from it like the headliner was water and the light was dropped into it.
WTF? Why?
The whole car has a Northern California or Colorado yoga instructor vibe.
If that was their target demo, they nailed it.
I just thought the headliner was coming down on all the ones I’ve been in lol.
Atleast make it look like the classic brick aka the Cherokee XJ sport.
Fine, then call it the Nissan Brick. Because it’s not a cube!
What im saying is that the Jeep Cherokee XJ Sport is closer to a cube than the Nissan cube.
Oh, gotcha.
Not to mention that it’s an absolute hazard to pedestrians and cyclists. I hope that if this thing gets released, the EU just straight up bans it from the roads.
This thing, while not as body-crushing as a twice-raised SUV, will still fuck you up acting like a blunt knife.
Not to mention crumple zones
Keep those designs in your back pocket. Teslas gonna need something to replace the Cybertruck with after it flops and investors finally oust Elon.
The sales of the Model Y are more than making up for any dud Tesla puts out right now.
Now this I want to see. What did the engineers working on their own side project come up with?
i’m really excited for this isaacson bio; i loved his steve jobs one, but i read that in high school, bright eyed and wanting to go into tech. lol.
Read this as ‘cyberduck’ at first and I was like, what’s wrong with my favorite FTP client? Why do they hate it?
