Are all ya dumb fucks who refused to vote for Kamala happy?
Ya happy all your trans friends are about to be sent to concentration camps so you could virtue signal your pathetic hollow support for Palestine (that’s actively doing far worse under Trump than under Biden BTW)?
Hope all the death and destruction partially on your hands was worth you feeling like a special little hero for a few hours last November.
No shit.
Hey assholes - this is what the “worse of two evils” looks like! Remember it for the next time, if you get a chance again.
Well, it was all worth it because something something “status quo” and we’d have a genocide in Gaza, or something.
I mean we did all witness how maintaining support for Israel was deemed more important.
I would love to know how many people actually refused to vote for Kamala for the reasons you stated. Obviously it’s not zero, but I have seen some variation of the “are you happy now?” comment hundreds of times, and I’ve never spoken to such a protest voter in real life. Or maybe they’re everywhere and they’re too embarrassed to admit it.
Instead of pointing to gerrymandering, voter suppression and potential massive election fraud, the mass of comments like yours is starting to feel like straw manning.
My dude, look at the replies to my comments. These people are outing themselves.
Guilty conscious maybe?
Of course they would be more hush hush about their fuck up now. Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?
Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?
I can’t help that you intentionally refused to speak up against genocide.
Probably a sign of a guilty conscience.
Centrists experience no guilt as they don’t see Palestinians as people.
Just like they adopted republican immigration policy because they don’t see immigrants as people.
And just like even more centrists than already have are gonna throw trans people under the bus. And for the same reason: if you’re not netanyahu, you’re disposable.
Good thing there’s no genocide now then. Whew. Bullet avoided with Genocide Kamala. Good job bravely standing up and doing nothing.
No centrist cares that I voted for harris; all they care about is that I opposed the genocide they wanted.
I wouldn’t know what centrists care about, but you sure seem to be throwing those accusations around at everyone who disagrees with you.
Oh? It was just fine for a solid year to call anyone who opposes genocide a tankie, trumpist, republican, russian, chinese, child, bot, fascist and so on.
You were trying to convince me to vote for the candidate I voted for in an election that already happened. Ostensibly. Really, you just don’t like criticism of the genocide that will define centrism forever. So I don’t really give a shit that you’re offended by being called a centrist since you’re acting like one.
Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them. It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out; that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
That’s a lot to say people shouldn’t be held accountable.
Sure, let’s hold the victims of fascism accountable for the actions of fascists.
If you’d actually read my comment, you would have realized that you’re demonstrating exactly what I was talking about. You want to hold fascists accountable, but you don’t have the immediate means to do that. So you turn around and victim-blame your fellow sufferers.
You’re not the first person to fall into this trap. It’s the entire reason people voted for Trump - if you can’t change the system that’s screwing you over, at least you can punish the people around you and call that accountability. I hope we can be smart enough not to do this to each other, but the responses in this thread are making it hard to be optimistic.
So, ironically, I’m going to tune out of this conversation too, before it crushes me even more. I’m going to try to find hope and courage elsewhere, because I’m all out of it at the moment. To the rest of you, whoever you are, I hope you can find it too.
Sure, let’s hold the victims of fascism accountable for the actions of fascists.
When did anyone say this. You’re incapable of having an honest conversation lol.
I didn’t read the rest because what’s the point. You’re just making up stuff and arguing with yourself lol.
Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
What I wanted was for the US to not fall to fascism, so I chose the only option that’d realistically prevent that.
You and countless other leftests chose to do jack shit, something we know favors the GOP because of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering to virtue signal.
You all are closer to Fox news than those who voted for Kamala. Our action wouldn’t have ended up with fascism. Yours did. You were functionally on the side of fascism when itattered most what side you were on. How does that make you feel?
You can’t even claim to be an emancipatory movement because literally ever group you’d want to emancipate is objectively worse of and further from emancipation.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
Viable allies are whoever we can trust. Whoever either voted for Kamala or doesn’t let their ego dominate their narrative and can actually admit wrong for not doing it, or encouraging others in swing States to do it by sounding the alarm.
You lot covered in your own tears and piss after telling all of us to fuck off when we needed you the most aren’t allies. You’re a liability at best. You couldn’t be trusted when it was convenient for you. What makes you think you could be trusted when its hard for us all, when you can’t even put aside your ego to admit your side was wrong?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them
You all proved last November you were never closest to us. Maybe not even close in general. What is there left for us to do than to adopt this mistrust as a survival mechanism so you all don’t fuck everyone over for your own egos next time we need to stand?
You keep whining that people are blaming you all for not voting, and not asking yourself why that might be. How you all fucked up to earn this mistrust and disrespect. Self reflect for once in your life.
It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
Hollow words from a hypocrite who embodied not understanding what’s going on in time when it mattered most last year. Millions with the same idiotic mentality, and inability to self reflect on their own betrayal of all marginalized peoples.
Again, self reflect. You all earned this mistrust. This is on you all, not us.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out
I can only hope that one day you and every child with this same defeatest mentality realize how I credibly stupid it was that you use being demoralized and depressed as an excuse to surrender to fascism that reigned in an era that made the prior one look, not depressing, but like a fucking progressive paradise in comparison.
Again
No strategic vision
No strategic foresight
In really, no thought or logic behind your actions at all.
that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
That’s not true. Millions of people who can actually accurately call themselves progressives and leftists stood up to choose the best viable option for the marginalized people. Do not project your fundamental character flaw unto others.
Again, put your fucking ego aside for a moment.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
And here we are at the neo-liberal gaslighting y’all so fervently foam at the mouth at when the Dems do it.
Just like the establishment Dems you hate. You completely abandoned everyone who needed you to act when you had the position to do so at least in some way.
And now that you actually see the threat when its FAR too late to avoid, you’re demanding unity and alliance.
Fuck that.
You’re a liability, not an ally. Until you and everyone who thinks just like you gets their heads out of their asses and learns to sacrafice their egos for the good of others, we are in more danger with you than without you.
You all have proven I disputably that you cannot be trusted or relied on to do your part.
Put your ego aside for once. Nobody should be allying with you until you do that. Until then, you bring them more danger than help.
My friend - I didn’t reply to defend myself from your arguments, or to demand anything from you. I replied because I’ve known people who express this level of anger and hate, and I’ve seen this kind of thinking lead them to extremely dark places. And that includes myself.
This is not concern trolling, I’m not trying to win or get a rise out of you here, and I’m trying my best not to sound condescending (admittedly without much success) - Please take better care of yourself. Please don’t push away the vast majority of people who do not share your rage. And please, for the love of all that is holy, touch some grass before you give yourself an aneurysm.
I told myself earlier that I’d stop replying, but I felt the need to give this one last try with more direct communication. I’m going to commit this time, if only for the sake of your blood pressure. Wishing you well, genuinely.
I voted for harris. This will not matter to any centrist, since I spoke out against their only policy.
The anti-genocide left was too insignificant to listen to, according to the pro-genocide center. Now they’re solely to blame for her loss, according to the pro-genocide center.
It can’t be both. Either they’re too insignificant to listen to, in which case they’re too insignificant to blame, or they’re to blame, in which case they’re kingmakers and you should have listened to them.
The anti-genocide left isn’t to blame for the loss.
The faux anti-genocide left who refused to vote for the best option for the people of Palestine on a very shitty election (Kamala) helped Trump with their inaction.
Trump, who by the way, has supported the genocide being hyper exacerbated compared to that of Biden and Kamala.
The Palestinians are objectively worse off now than they were under Biden, and most likely would have been under Kamala.
The anti-genocide left isn’t to blame for the loss.
Then stop blaming them.
the best option
The second worst option. Genocide supporters aren’t the best anything. Except to other genocide supporters.
The Palestinians are objectively worse off now than they were under Biden, and most likely would have been under Kamala.
Why do you keep trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened? Oh right, you never gave a shit who won, you just want unquestioning support for the genocide supporter you want over the genocide supporter you were willing to accept as long as no one had the opportunity to vote for a candidate who doesn’t support genocide.
But then how will they learn?! /s
Virtue Signalling leftists when boycotting voting for Hillary didn’t turn the Dems left so why the fuck would boycotting Kamala do it?
Virtue Signalling leftists
You sound like a republican here. For good reason.
You guys still cant accept that your candidate just sucked? No? Still blaming leftists and minorities?
Anyone who didn’t vote against trump deserves the blame
Actual leftists voted for the best viable option for marginalized groups, which was Kamala.
Pathetic virtue signalling asswhipes who don’t actually give a damn about marginalized groups didn’t vote or voted for a non-viable third party. An action that objectively helped the fascists win given how the Electoral College and Gerrymandering typically works.
You aren’t a leftist, you helped the fascists. Congrats, you fucked over everyone the left is supposed to care about.
So anyone who doesn’t agree with what you’re saying is virtue signaling, and anyone not behaving in accordance to your proclamations, is a fascist?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
It was never about trans. No one engaged in this line of thinking ever gave a fuck about individuals.
To think a political party is an ally… Yeah, I got a bridge to sell you.
They don’t care because this doesn’t affect them. That’s why they didn’t vote, they always want other people to make their decisions for them.
Only when you have felt oppression and seen it with your own eyes do you understand the impact.
I can’t wait until the right feels ACTUAL oppression and not just the made up shit they come up with for pity.
It’s time to get over it and look to the future. She lost. Talking shit isn’t helping anybody but you.
Actually I think it’s vitally important that voters learn from this. Or you’ll all be doomed to repeat this mistake again in the future, if you get the chance that is.
It’s important that the party learns from this.
But who are these posts talking to? People who were lost in the wilderness for the past 9 months, and just got online for the first time this year? It’s just a rage circle-jerk at this point.
The Democratic party didn’t fail us,
weyou failed it.Edit: better?
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I’m not a political party, or in charge of anything.
Maybe you should direct your anger somewhere useful, like at those who were in power, or those who are seeking it.
Or not, you do you buddy.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for meThey actually went after trans people first last time as well.
“First they came for the trans people, but I didn’t speak out because nobody ever even fucking told me they did this until like last year like wtf…”
This is the correct tactic. Those assholes never fact check anyway. What i mean is that it doesn’t matter if the quote is real or not.
He said something like this. I couldn’t find the original article of what he said, but here is Kirk’s back-pedaling
“We are messengers here. We are relaying what we are hearing from your most loyal ultra-MAGA supporters all the time,” Kirk said. “It’s not that people are saying, you know, they want to learn about Epstein because they have any suspicion of President Trump … No one thinks you’re involved in any way in that stuff whatsoever.”
The president’s backers in the MAGA sphere were joined in their dissatisfaction by half a dozen House Republicans, who are trying to force a floor vote calling on the DOJ to release any remaining Epstein-related documents it has in its possession in their entirety.
https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-files-update-charlie-kirk-trump-message-2099999
I can’t really even detransition. I’ve lived my entire adult life as a man.
I’m so terrified. What does this look like? Jail, inpatient institutionalization? Will they take away my testosterone?
My brain is on fire. I don’t know where to reach out for help.
Arm yourself. 2nd amendment is all we got left.
I lost my 2A rights because I put up signs at a troubled teen facility, and that apparently counted as “stalking” the CEO.
There are ways to get a gun without a background check. Look into it.
looks like you need to find a gun show
¡¡FLEA MARKETS!!
And what state do you live in?
Hey, just jumping in here because this does sound familiar. My nana was a Jew in Poland, born in 1923. She saw the writing on the wall and left for Ukraine and the next 5 years on a farm over there. She came back afterwards and found nothing left for her, and that’s how I’m now Australian - she went to Israel after the war, didn’t much like it and kept moving
Anyway, my point is get out while you still can. My nana was youngest of 7, and she lost 4 siblings. Don’t know what’s going to happen to you there. You can either stay and fight (one of her brothers was a officer in the red army) or just not deal with the bullshit and move on somewhere that you’ll be more accepted.
I’m sorry this is so crap but it feels familiar and I’m worried for you.
Sooner or later they will decide only straight white cis people are allowed to own guns.
from social media posts it seems like maga vigilantes are already doxxing people they perceive as lgbt or even just slightly left of themselves that show up at any of their gun related establishments
Yup. This is why so many of us do not want a registry.
Try seeking asylum. Get out while you can.
This is a sad day. We all know this sprung from Charlie Kirk. A podcaster that got killed by a straight white male.
So, it makes perfect sense to target trans people. Fuck these bastards.
This was already in motion before the assassination. Kirk was literally in the process of claiming trans people are dangerous killers when he was murdered. The regime is just taking advantage of the assassination to accelerate a plan they were working on.
Exactly how would this work? They just going start arresting trans people for existing? Are we really going sit by while they just start rounding up citizens who have committed zero crimes?
This shit needs to be shut down before it starts.
ICE has already arrested citizens who have committed zero crimes. We are past the start.
Most of america has already been sitting by while non criminals are being rounded up.
They just going start arresting trans people for existing?
Well… Yeah. Remember how Trump wanted to be able to revoke citizenship?
I have never seen one media person ask a blue state representative: “how far would you let things go, specifically, before you would use state law enforcement to directly resist federal agents to protect your own citizens? How bad would things have to get before you were willing to start shooting people?”
Exactly how would this work? They just going start arresting trans people for existing?
These are Nazis. Yes.
They will be put in camps, deported and executed. Yes, America will sit idly while this happends.
Are we really going sit by while they just start rounding up citizens who have committed zero crimes?
They were for citizens who were kidnapped by ICE. And democrats won’t get out of bed to help anyone not named netanyahu.
Trans people do not seem like a threat.
neither were/are gay/bi people. Still got thrown in prison for the last few hundred years for daring to love.
And yet this will not be the first time we suffer for the sins of cis people
Well if you start treating them like terrorists, some might choose that path. It is a very possible self-fulfilling prophecy. Especially when you threaten their lives like that.
Hey, just like the NAZIs.
Surely now democrats will stand up for trans people.
They’d have to stand up for themselves first.
Oh they do that plenty. Against the left.
Kamala will keep saying “I’ll follow the law” on trans people, as she enforces the law sending us all to camps.
It won’t let me edit, so I’ll reply instead:
“EDIT”: Nope. They’re blaming people who spoke out against genocide, regardless of how they voted. Like always. We were all there for the 2024 election. Everyone saw the constant barrage of vicious attacks from the right against trans people. The silence from democrats was more deafening than Krakatoa. And now democratic think tanks are starting to talk about dropping even the fake solidarity with trans people.
First Latinos, now trans people. Wonder what group of people are next.
Anyone with any history of mental health treatment.
I feel like I’ve seen this one.
Autistic people next week. If we’re lucky, we get an AI generated pamphlet about the wonders of celibacy, to avoid making more of us. If we’re not, the US will either ban vaccines altogether, or send us to camps.
I’m nervous it’ll be furries or something tangent to them
“A right wing podcaster got killed by a fan of another right wing podcaster, which is why we’re declaring that trans people are terrorists.”
Iraq war logic, Nazi edition.
I’m not afraid of trans people.
Says the furniture pervert
you mean vice president couch fucker?
No. I meant furniture pervert He neither deserves nor has earned the title he currently holds
fair enough, I don’t know why I even used that, considering I refuse to use it for the fat orange fuck.
he fucking yassifies himself too. if you look at his old pics he wasn’t like this before. his sugar daddy sure had an effect on him.
Who could have seen this coming?
it’s a mystery. No one could have predicted this. I bet kamala would have been much worse, because she’s a democrat /s
“We upset the status quo by not voting for Democrats”
“For the better, right?”
