I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.
I don’t know all the details, but something that struck me as odd was the fact that this was the first WHC dinner that Trump was going to, famously being too cowardly to go to the others for fear of being mocked. Why go to this one, when his approval rating is in the toilet?
Well it was also the first one where Grindr promoted it.
Because there wasn’t going to be a roast. Mentalist and magician Oz Pearlman was going to host, instead.
And because, by staging a shooter, he is going to get public funding for his ballsack I mean ballroom.
Seems like a ballthimble would do.
Because we’ve been trained by the republicans to prepare for a distraction when the current news is bad.
All of the republican news is really bad right now. They’ve flip-flopped on wars with various countries and the Epstein files a few times already. Even thrown out some UFO stuff. Nothing is working though because gas prices are high and there’s no easy and clean way out of the quagmire the GOP is currently in.
It saddens me so much to know that the president can rape children, and get away with it. On top of that, the only reason people aren’t distracted from it is the fact that gas prices are still high. If gas were cheap, there is a good chance 48% of Americans would be distracted.
Because the fact of the matter is, his PA ‘attempt’ stinks to high heaven. USSS broke numerous protocols with that incident, and you literally see people coordinating and ‘directing’ his fight fight fight shot.
Once is happenstance,. twice is a coincidence, and three is a pattern.
He’s had three of these incidents if you include the bushes in Mar A Lago dude. And what happened here? Did we have congressional reports detailing these events, the places they took place, suspect motivations, and the data broken down for everyone to see what went wrong?
No. We didn’t have anything of the sort.
We will not for this one either. Because this likely is more theatrics from a historically unpopular administration.
Yeah as a non American it’s kinda like okay is this fake or are you guys actually just not that great at shooting your targets 😅 c’mon, if these are real you gotta start questioning your nations eyesight or something 😂
‘It’s just impossible to use science in the forensics of a scene like this’ is what trumps lawyer said.
I totally think this was staged.
The response was too canned and uniform. There’s no fact finding, no actual concern for what happened here its all just rhetoric aimed at curtailng free speech. Add in the FBI director weighing in way too early and it all points to a setup.
There’s a real possibility the guy that did the shooting is the target of an FBI entrapment scheme or something similar.
I go with the arguments I do with 9/11, it wasn’t an inside job. The government and president knew they were going to be happening, they chose to let them happen.
Because this was Trump’s reaction to the gunshots.
He knew. Melenomia didn’t.
Also, here you can see Trump hiding behind a curtain, reveling in his kayfabe.
He would have been removed from the area by the Secret Service if there was an actual threat.
That’s just his I’m pooping right now face
It’s a lack of trust in institutions on full display. Rather it was faked or not doesn’t matter, no one would put it past the antics of this administration and no one trusts the narrative or the investigators. It doesn’t matter who comes out or what they say. Once the trust is broken we’re cooked and every event will turn into conspiracy time.
- It came on the heels of a court case that said Trump could only build his ballroom if there was a legitimate security concern (and all the right wing media had posts ready for ballroom support)
- He (Trump) had never attended before now
- The response from the SS seemed… lacklustre at best.
- Karoline Leavitt said that everyone should watch because there would be shots fired.
- He (the shooter) was entirely ineffectual.
- Right wing women are so botox’ed that no one could see them being upset; right wing men were standing behind their wives.
Personally… fake is not exactly the answer, but it’s oh so convenient, and given that people were sending in tips about him before this, I suspect that if they hadn’t wanted this to happen, they’d have done security normally and he’d have been removed from the premises before he shot. But maybe I’m just underestimating how bad the US government’s security has become since they fired so many people.
Also Karoline Leavitt’s husband gave a weird warning to a female journalist before the dinner started, as if he knew that something was going to happen.
Probs coz of the weird footage by some people. Guests sitting there still eating, others grabbing bottles, people smiling and chatting afterwards. People also are assuming that each attempt on his life was so bad that it felt staged (the way his ear looked after the first one, how incompetent the shooters were etc, theres lots of things flying around in comments). And then there’s the lack of sympathy for Trump so most people would want any reason to keep hating him.
The quote I saw elsewhere that summed it up best for me is, “even if it’s real, it’s still fake”.
The whole thing was just a bit too rubbish, like, if you were going to try shooting the President, the events as report seem like such an obviously useless way to go about it that there’s got to be something else going on.
My favourite conspiracy theory is that it’s their way of getting an already-sympathetic White House press corps to feel like they’re part of the whole thing, that attacks on the President are also attacks on them personally - trying to create a feeling that they and Trump are all trauma survivors who are in it together.
the events as report seem like such an obviously useless way to go about it
How come?
I don’t know how to respond to that beyond posting what’s already been said.
a gunman opened fire near a security checkpoint at the event in Washington DC.
He was tackled by agents just short of a staircase which leads down to a ballroom where the annual White House correspondents’ dinner attended by hundreds of journalists and public figures was getting under way.
Officials said he possessed multiple weapons and appears to have acted alone.
How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President? Did he think he was Neo or something?
How would anyone imagine they’d be able to just blast their way through security checkpoints to get to the President?
I don’t find it that had to believe that someone might attempt that. There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound
There are a lot of people out there who are not mentally sound
See I think your reasoning there proves my point quite well. If the first explanation you go to is that the person is not mentally sound, then almost by definition these are actions that don’t make sense.
Ah I see. Yes, I agree, they don’t make sense, but not necessarily in a way that implies conspiracy
Who made millions off the Polymarket bet that Trump would have an assassination attempt again?
There was a polymarket bet?
I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me
I’m going to take that as a ‘no’ then
You’re as bad as a redcap, spreading disinformation because it “wouldn’t surprise you”
Look into prediction markets and how they evaluate the outcome of bets, it’s all entirely manipulated by 0.01% of its users because you can literally buy the outcome. This is not only possible, it is staggeringly more likely than not.
Some more news just did an episode on this shit, everybody should watch it. Prediction markets are just another way for the 0.01% to fuck everyone yet again.
I mean, that’s a suckers bet.
Which polymarket bet? What is your source?
it’s Lemmy, most sources are people’s ass.
He’s not a journalist, he’s not “reporting facts” on lemmy. He’s saying it wouldn’t be surprised if someone DID place a bet, like the special forces guy who got arrested for a polymarket bet. Maybe try to chill for a second.
Then my eyes can only roll further into the back of my head as this platform degenerates into Q level conspiracies based feelings rather than facts.
Because it is so convenient. He’s way down in the polls with no chance of recovery. He needs an excuse for martial law to keep the elections from happening. He is so unfit to speak and be seen publicly that they need an excuse why he can’t be out in public. And, it worked last time to get him elected. Although this time I don’t think they killed an spectator.
But low approval rate would also increase like hood of an assassination attempt right?
There are a few videos out there that break down the… let’s say questionable or highly suspicious series of coincidences that trail behind the shooting, as well as the kneejerk reaction from the right in response that raises some eyebrows, so I would say just go watch those. People are really latching onto flimsy evidence for this one. I haven’t seen anything really convincing yet that would suggest that the government orchestrated a false flag attack, and I feel like this administration is too incompetent to be able to handle a covert operation of that nature without fumbling it badly.
I like to lean on the side of Occam’s Razor and say that it’s pretty likely that in a country with hundreds of millions of people and hundreds of millions of guns and a very publicly hated president, it’s not that surprising that a few of those people have tried to kill him and got close enough to try. As far as security goes, yes it was a much lower security detail but the shooter was also apprehended at basically the first possible security checkpoint and Trump and the dinner guests were never in any danger. The security worked exactly as it should have.
“feel like this administration is too incompetent to be able to handle a covert operation of that nature without fumbling it badly”
I respect your opinion & respectfully disagree. My views on top tier hierarchic secrecy changed after learning about the Lewis Powell memo while listening to The Lever’s Master Plan podcast & simultaneously reading Gareth Gore’s Opus.
Yes, the people in front of the cameras are bumbling, sometimes alcoholic, idjits, however it’s the very wealthy people we don’t see or know of that really scare me.
My views on top tier hierarchic secrecy changed after learning about the Lewis Powell memo while listening to The Lever’s Master Plan podcast & simultaneously reading Gareth Gore’s Opus.
Is this supposed to mean anything?
Once there was a land where regular people lived.
• Regular people went to school. • Regular people went to work. • Regular people listened to news. • Regular people followed rules. • Regular people did not get to choose most of the rules.
In the same land, there were Say-What-Happens people.
Say-What-Happens people were people who said what happens and regular people had to follow what the Say-What-Happens people said.
• Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose money rules. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose school rules. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose court rules. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose news stories. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped choose government rules.
For a long time, the thought was:
• Some Say-What-Happens people were unfair. • Some Say-What-Happens people helped themselves. • Some Say-What-Happens people did not help regular people.
Then one day, a real paper note appeared in the tale.
The paper note was written by Lewis Powell.
Lewis Powell was a real Say-What-Happens person.
Some Say-What-Happens people listened to Lewis Powell.
• The paper note was not a note for regular people. • The paper note was for business Say-What-Happens people.
Business Say-What-Happens people were company people who helped say what happened in company life.
• The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to help other business Say-What-Happens people. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to work together. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use schools. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use courts. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use news. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to use government. • The paper note told business Say-What-Happens people to keep getting to say what happens.
Learning about the Lewis Powell paper note changed the thought.
The thought had been:
Some Say-What-Happens people are unfair.
Now the thought became:
Some Say-What-Happens people tell other Say-What-Happens people how to stay in charge.
Stay in charge means keep getting to say what happens.
Then came a voice story called Master Plan.
Master Plan was a story heard with ears.
• The Master Plan voice story talked about money. • The Master Plan voice story talked about rules. • The Master Plan voice story talked about government. • The Master Plan voice story said some Say-What-Happens people helped other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge.
Learning about the Master Plan voice story changed the thought again.
Now the thought became:
• Some Say-What-Happens people were not acting alone. • Some Say-What-Happens people help other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge.
Then a book came into the tale.
The book was called Opus.
Gareth Gore wrote the Opus book.
The Opus book talked about Opus Dei.
Opus Dei is a real church group.
• The Opus book said some Opus Dei people used money. • The Opus book said some Opus Dei people had Say-What-Happens friends. • The Opus book said some Opus Dei people used hidden helping.
Hidden means not shown.
Hidden helping means helping happens, but regular people do not see the helping.
Learning about the Opus book changed the thought again.
The thought was no longer only:
Some Say-What-Happens people are unfair.
The thought became:
• Some Say-What-Happens people helped other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge. •Some Say-What-Happens people hid the helping. •Some Say-What-Happens people kept doing the helping for a long, long time.
That was the change.
The world had looked like unfair choices.
Then the world looked like some Say-What-Happens people were helping other Say-What-Happens people stay in charge.
• The Lewis Powell paper note showed one part. • The Master Plan voice story showed another part. • The Opus book showed another part.
The three parts made one new thought in three parts:
• Some Say-What-Happens people stayed in charge by helping each other. • Some Say-What-Happens people hid the helping. • Even though regular people may not see the helping, Say-What-Happens people helping other Say-What-Happens people can still change regular people’s lives.
That is why the thought changed.
If you can’t communicate normally, providing specific information rather than parables and circumlocution, I don’t see why anyone should take you seriously.
Does this help?
• Lewis Powell wrote that business people should help business people keep power. • Master Plan showed business people using money to help people keep power in government. • Opus showed church people using money, secrets, and powerful friends to help people keep power.
Together they show:
• Powerful people can help powerful people keep power. • Regular people usually do not see them helping each other.
Because regular people are usually not aware that powerful people secretly help each other, the powerful people are able to continue to make decisions that affect the regular people in ways that help the powerful people stay powerful.
That’s more understandable. Not particularly convincing or informative, but more understandable.
Doesn’t matter whether it was real, or fake. Although, if it was real, then the Secret Service really fell down on the job. A very well-known venue, with all the time to prepare--what the fuck happened there? It could have been set up, without Trump, or the Secret Service knowing about it. The shooter might have had help from someone high up in the administration. So, not “fake”, but not a “lone gunman”, either.
All that matters is he missed.
Although, if it was real, then the Secret Service really fell down on the job.
I heard they caught the guy at the first security checkpoint, or is that not true
Just another episode of trump whatever show. Who cares. I stopped watching that series months ago. It just got too stupid
seems you’re tuning in still…
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My reason is that he read from a prepared statement shortly after the incident and that he used this as his reason to promote the unwanted ballroom that he seems so desperately to want. I could be wrong but, based on his moral character, I think it’s a big fake.
