the school went on lockdown after federal agents were spotted in the area
I just want to call attention to the fact that this is where we are as a country. The mere presence of federal employees is causing schools to go into lockdown.
If that’s not a clear indication that things are broken, I don’t know what is.
Half the country loves this btw.
This cant be overstated enough. 70 million people absolutely love what’s happening.
Thats alot of pieces of shit.
Need a COVID for conservatives
It killed lots of them, but it had weakened by the time it spread to the rural states so it didn’t kill as quickly as the first wave in the big cities.
I’m still impressed that bird flu hasn’t made the jump to humans yet, that would be an extremely aggressive disease that would kill a lot of people, as most diseases that jump from animals to humans. Republicans have been lucky that their cuts to any and all disease controls haven’t resulted in it spreading freely
Oh, give it time.
We need to make it extremely unpleasant for those people
Do they really? I’ve seen a lot of comments supporting this shit, but I always thought they were propaganda bots…
Much less than half, but they are a very noisy and emboldened group.
If you can get the apathetic and politically uninvolved to start caring, you can easily outnumber the MAGAts.
My male gamete donor is drooling with delight.
Fear has no place in school. Oh, this is America. Nevermind.
For all the larpers here demanding violent response, here’s the link to Judge Karen Immergut’s final decision of November 7, 2025 kicking the National Guard out of Portland, Oregon.
https://www.opb.org/pdf/FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW_1762564569662.pdf
You don’t have to read the whole thing. In fact, you don’t have to read more than the first (long) paragraph to understand that the courts are still largely defending the Constitution, and that it was the lack of violent response to Trump’s provocations that caused her to rule against keeping the National Guard in Portland. I’ve added line breaks, but this is the first paragraph:
On September 27, 2025, the President of the United States federalized 200 members of the Oregon National Guard over the objection of Oregon’s governor and deployed them to a single federal building in Portland, Oregon. In the ensuing days, the President ordered the deployment of 400 federalized members of the Texas and California National Guards, all to the same federal building in Oregon. The mission of these deployments of military troops was ostensibly to quell violent protests outside the one-block Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“ICE”) building in Portland.
But after a three-day trial that included the testimony of federal, state, and local law enforcement officials and hundreds of exhibits describing protest activity outside the Portland ICE building, the evidence demonstrates that these deployments, which were objected to by Oregon’s governor and not requested by the federal officials in charge of protection of the ICE building, exceeded the President’s authority.
While violent protests did occur in June, they quickly abated due to the efforts of civil law enforcement officers. And since that brief span of a few days in June, the protests outside the Portland ICE facility have been predominately peaceful, with only isolated and sporadic instances of relatively low-level violence, largely between protesters and counter-protesters.
When considering these conditions that persisted for months before the President’s federalization of the National Guard, this Court concludes that even giving great deference to the President’s determination, the President did not have a lawful basis to federalize the National Guard under 10 U.S.C. § 12406. (emphases and line breaks added by me)
And then, specifically BECAUSE of the non-violent response of Portland, in every successive paragraph Judge Immergut labeled the order to move the National Guard into Portland UNLAWFUL.
A violent response is NOT the answer at this point in time. I guarantee we will ALL know when it is. Save your shot.
In the meantime, my fellow countrymen, beware of larpers who don’t even live in the US, much less in Minneapolis, trying to whip up rage and get people to fight. It’s not their blood that will be shed, not their families destroyed, not the last shreds of their democracy thrown into the cesspit of an impotent orange excrescence’s lust for power and unending greed: it will be our own.
If you’re here to say you think people should fight, all you’re really telling me is that you’ve never had to fight, you don’t know how it works, you won’t be the one to pay the price in your own blood, AND you want Trump to consolidate his power even faster than he already is by giving him reason to occupy cities with the National Guard, declare martial law, and avoid having midterm elections. Think twice.
In the meantime, my fellow countrymen, beware of larpers who don’t even live in the US, much less in Minneapolis, trying to whip up rage and get people to fight.
This bears repeating. I’ve seen it in every political thread here on lemmy.world for the last year. Every, single, time, some troll crashes into the thread and promotes escalation and violence. And every time someone takes the bait and gets into an argument, swamping half the visible comment area, effectively pushing out any sane discourse about a smarter way to deal with this. It’s hard to see it happen with such regularity and not imagine this to be calculated and deliberate.
To this I say: let’s treat our political forum spaces like a protest. Stay civil. Call out provocateurs but don’t engage directly. Downvote and report to admins. Freeze these trolls out of the conversation, and let’s keep putting our heads together.
Thank you for saying this. I do not believe any of them are posting in good faith, and when challenged rely on logical fallacies and emotionally charged non-factual or barely factual statements.
They’re here solely to inflame and incite. No other conclusion left to draw.
Canadian here: it is important to us that you resist your fascist regime. We need you to do that just as much you need to do that for yourselves. It is also extremely important to deeply understand that resistance is NOT a binary switch that flips between “nothing” and “armed resistance”. At this stage in the game, in the US, you guys need to be doing a whole lot more of non-armed and institutional resistance. You need extreme pettiness. Make the trumpofascists pay a price in annoyance every step of the fucking way.
For example, call your senators and congresspeople, even the more radical left ones, and ask them why they are not calling for votes for every fucking little thing that depends on unanimity.. Then threaten to primary those that don’t. RESIST OR GET OUT OF THE WAY.
Then, the question goes to the mayors the ones that bluster with “gtfo ICE”. Why are they not doing road reconstruction in front and round ICE facilities? Why are there no incessant pipe maintenance requests at the sewers and cables and water mains that feed those compounds? RATFUCK THEM.
Then the question goes to the merchants. Why are there no “we don’t sell to ICE” signs on shops around their compounds? Why is it commercially viable to NOT have a policy like that? Why are they contracting work to them? Why is any private entity in the ICE supply chain not being constantly threatened with boycotts and divestment? MAKE IT TOXIC TO WORK WITH THEM.
Do I need to keep going, or do people get the idea?
Beyond that, realize that you have to start small, then build up: https://youtu.be/vvaquOcNEKI Armed resistance is the worst case scenario endgame. Not the start.
They’re going to schools because it’s a safe assumption no one has a gun.
They want easy victims, and too many people still don’t understand what the phrase “stay dangerous” ever meant.
That is never a safe assumption in US schools
Yep, I also have a feeling they are singling out weak targets to appear strong, nationally and internationally: blackmail Ukraine, plan luxury resorts in Gaza, kill unarmed people unprovoked, kidnap the head of one of the weakest states on earth, threaten a starving country (Cuba), defund universities and humanitarian organizations.
They can be seen kneeling when Putin offers a shoe to polish and when they have to play the victim of hostile trade.
Sorry for going on a tangent. The frustration is real.
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I remember was just in highschool like during the first trump admin…
This is beyond cooked. My grades was already has Cs and Ds, if this shit happened when I was in highschool, this is just guranteeing that I get all Fs. I’d be too scared to go to school as an immigrant (legal btw).
What the fuck.
The behaviour of ice and the dhs fits the definition of terrorism: “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims”. State terrorism is still terrorism.
Nazi Germany prior to the Reichstag fire was kinda like the usa now: thugs on the street harassing civilians of chosen outgroups without consequences, but the government was still ostensibly obeying laws and not yet mass disappearing people. I think usa republicans aren’t ready yet to have their Reichstag fire moment, but it just seems like a matter of time. Their expansion of ice seems pretty much unopposed & their take over of government agencies + army/navy appears to be progressing steadily as well.
The question is, is the American public in the right mood to flip over to fascism when scared by the riechstag fire or flip against it?
Our Reichstag fire was long ago, and it’s not about “Republicans”.
The response to 9-11 is what some consider to be the “turning point”, the Patriot Act and what it created was a point of no return. (it made ICE, a surveillance state, Guantanamo concentration camp, and so much more). There is no better environment for fascism, it approves and supports fascism by design.
If you somehow erased every Republican tomorrow, that fascist surveillance police state would remain, waiting to be used in the only way it can be used.
Democrats won’t save you
Shitler’s Gestapo terrorizing kids. On brand for the kiddie rapist cult
How long before he takes his pick from among the most delectable children and has them snatched for him? Maybe it’s already happening?
Why not? Nothing would happen. It’s the right of kings!
I don’t know where else to ask this question…or even if I’m formulating this question properly in my rage.
Violence in the streets seems to be inevitable to me at this point with the recent revelation that Minnesota will not be allowed to perform a state-level investigation in to Renee Nicole Good’s death. The sheer audacity of the injustice, the inhumanity before, during and after this event, the clear and shameless lying. Now, they are attacking your children. If Americans take this lying down then there truly is no Rubicon, so at this point I’m practically hoping for violence, because how many more dead would the alternative bring? That feels wrong to me, but if no one stands up for these victims, then obviously their number will rise exponentially. But that’s not my question.
My question is, when this thing explodes and the violence breaks out. When Trump and his goons do the only thing their limited minds can think of and try to “crack down”. When it all goes to fucking shit… then what? Line up on sides like a dodgeball team and States start rebelling like it’s 150 years ago? Isolated city-states locked out from Federal support and interference? Trump declares himself President for Life?
It’s not weird that those resisting fascism have no solid plan, this is being thrust upon them. It might have been predictable but I can’t blame people for not really believing it until folks started dying. But it seems weird that the instigators of this fucking circus don’t even seem to be able to tell me what their fucking goal is. Do they honestly think they can create a brutal Christofascist ethno-state out of modern America? That no one will stop them, just because no one has killed them yet? And more insanely, if they do succeed, do they think they’ll all live through that attempt?
There will not be battle lines.
Take a look back at the “Troubles” in Northern Ireland to get more of a sense of what a modern civil war would look like. You can also look at the insurgencies in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, though obviously those countries are much different from the US than the UK is.
Myanmar comes to mind as a worst-case scenario, too. They’ve been fighting since the pandemic and it’s basically in every direction, everywhere.
When it all goes to fucking shit… then what? Line up on sides like a dodgeball team and States start rebelling like it’s 150 years ago? Isolated city-states locked out from Federal support and interference? Trump declares himself President for Life?
It likely depends on what the actual circumstances of the violence is and the various responses from other government agencies.
In other fascist government takeovers the key differentiator is the role/reaction of the military. Does the military support the fascist leader or does it oppose them? In 1922 Mussolini had full control and loyalty from the military while the government did not. Alternatively, while not in 2013 President of Egypt Mohamed Morsi, which had was facing protests by the populous for his actions was deposed by the military in what their opponents label a coup. In the 1930s in the USA, there was a fascist group called German American Bund. These were the American Nazi party you may have heard of of which famous pilot Charles Linbergh was a member of. There were supposed plans to execute a fascist takeover of the USA deposing FDR. The military stepped up protection of FDR, so we can infer that FDR had the support the military. German American Bund was investigated, many arrested, and it was dissolved.
So in your theoretical, which way does the US military go?
Preventive maintenance is always better than repairs…
If there’s a group of 100 protestors and 10 of them have rifles and plate carriers, all of a sudden de-escalation can become a common goal.
If the same side is always the only one with guns, and they face no legal consequences from escalating to violence…
They’re gonna keep doing it.
It sounds counter-intuitive, but there’s a reason ICE isn’t going after actual cartels and drug smugglers. They’re picking the easiest targets, so now is the time for everyone to stop being an easy target while we’re still legally allowed to buy this shit. Being visible armed is the only way to make cops want to de-escalate. If not, they’re trained to “press the advantage” and keep you panicked, which doesn’t work at all, but makes them feel tough.
Eventually Trump’s gonna stop letting people buy guns, if you think an armed populace will ever be necessary, now’s the time to get a kit together.
Just one person being armed won’t deter them. There’s a reason the 2A specifies “well organized militia” It is your right to gather together with other armed citizens and use violence to defend your communities.
I’ve never seen a video of a cop shooting a protester while another protester is in the area with a rifle…
Can you show me a single example of me being wrong?
Because it’s logically impossible for anyone to prove the opposite, I’d have to show you ever video of American law enforcement shooting someone…
How about shooting an innocent bystander and the armed protester while he was carrying a rifle.
They would have thought twice about shooting Arturo if he had a dozen armed friends nearby, I’d wager.
Arturo Gamboa, the man shot in June while openly carrying a rifle at Salt Lake City’s No Kings protest… Looking to confront Gamboa for his AR-15-style firearm, a safety volunteer fired three shots. Two struck him, and another killed an innocent bystander… When asked about his actions that day, Gamboa said he was “peacefully protesting, utilizing my First and Second Amendment rights under the Constitution.”…
How about shooting an innocent bystander and the armed protester while he was carrying a rifle
So…
That means you couldnt find an example of what I was actually g about?
I’ve never seen a video of a cop shooting a protester while another protester is in the area with a rifle…
Are you being sarcastic or can you really not tell the difference between those two sentences?
Bystander was a protestor.
Arturo was a protestor with a rifle, in the same area as bystander.
Bystander was shot.
“I’ve never seen a video of a cop shooting a protester (bystander) while another protester (Arturo) is in the area with a rifle…”
A civilian volunteer (peacekeeper for the organization that held the protest I’m pretty sure) that pledged not to have a gun. Shot another civilian who didn’t pledge to have a gun, for having a gun…
What does this have to do with law enforcement again?
Who is the cop that shot someone?
This is what it looks like when fascism is in the midst of overthrowing a country. And old-school democracy has very few defences against these tactics.
Passivism does allow for self defence and, in many cases, the defence of others.
They’re trying to provoke us out in the open. They’ve been trying to normalise violence against us (and have become alarmingly effective).
A few people have commented places where this has happened before; where government has been captured by the far right. Historians have identified key moments where a different action or approach had a high chance of changing the outcome. If we look at current events temporaly through the lens of those key moments, we can be far, far better informed.
I know some people have been doing that.
eta: We’re running Democracy2.0, and many more versions have been developed in the past 200 years. We’re driving a constitution designed to be transported by carriage. It’s incompatible with our recent technology.
Congress and the senate could stipnthis tomorrow. A serious, fucused pressure campaign on republicans would flip this script. Right now trump takes all the heat, and he doesnt cate becuase hes a moron and just doesnt care.
the house and the senate get to just ignore all of this. no one ever mentions them, like they have a free pass or something.
We should be following these people, their assistants, and their spouses 24/7 365 until they impeach this shitstain.
We can not allow them off the hook beacuse “republicans wont impeach”, thats bullshit. they are just humans, and they will break like anyone else.
America is definitively passed their point of no return. I personally like many think that was a long time ago but there are still people out there who cannot internalize it. They’re in denial.
The world is trying to tell you guys this. Yes, you will have to put your body on the line. You will miss work. You will miss your bills. You’ve already lost so much. You will lose more. It’s a foregone conclusion. The question is what can you salvage at the point.
No, telling the rest of us to put our own bodies on the line will not change your situation. Ukrainians have no choice but to fight their oppressor. Gazans have no choice but to fight for their lives. America is no exception. You’ve slid into fascism. You have to fight for your freedom now.
You never were the exception. This mentality has been your undoing. The system isn’t fixing itself because of some higher innate quality of being American. You have proven this yourselves. You tried voting. It didn’t work. You tried protesting. It didn’t work. You tried your systems of checks and balances. They’ve all been torn the shreds.
You will fight like the rest of the world fights for their freedom. The idea of American peace, liberty, and justice for all was a fun fantasy while it lasted. Your own weapons of oppression are pointed at you. It’s time to wake up to reality now. This is the America that the rest of the world knows.
Maybe now Americans will understand those around world didn’t hate you because you were better. They hate you because of the very oppression you now face yourselves.
That protestor was fortunate that he wasn’t shot in the face.
On a side note, if you’re participating in a protest, please wear reasonable shoes or even steel-toed boots, not SANDALS. This request is for your own safety, I’m not the fashion police.
And especially don’t wear socks with sandals!
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That was a close one!
This is too fucking much. Jail is too good for ICE agents. Fucking Nazi Scum
Nuremberg is the compromise position
Who were they going to get? A kid? Or better yet, a teacher? A coach, a school janitor or bus driver?
Perhaps the public should re-examine the premise of why they hate “criminal” immigrants so much…
Trump recently said he wants the My Pillow guy as governor of Minnesota. Do you think maybe that he’s trying to install him by inciting violence or something? He’s definitely trying to get people to choose violence.
I hadn’t heard about that, but upon reading your comment my immediate thought is that Trump is going to manufacture a pretext to arrest (i.e. kidnap) Governor Walz.
Martial law, he’s itching. I doubt he’d arrest him for something, just take over the position because he let the place go.
Trump recently said he wants the My Pillow guy as governor of Minnesota.
With trump’s accusations of cocaine in Venezula, I’m surprised MyPillow Mike isn’t advocating for a position of power there. Mike has first hand knowledge of cocaine:
I don’t want to die but I cannot live like this.
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