Great, now do the Scientologist pricks that protected him for years and threatened his victims.
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You’re mixing up your “suicides”
Flo Barnett shot herself three times in the chest and once in the head with a long rifle.
Gary Webb, who exposed the crack cocaine conspiracy within the CIA shot himself twice in the head with a revolver. FWIW, Webb’s death Bay actually have been a suicide. The first shot went through his face.
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Shelly Miscavige is still held unlawfully by Scientology.
Are you sure about that? I don’t mean that in the sense of doubting that Scientology kidnapped her, but in the sense that I’m unaware of any proof she’s even still alive.
On another note if you are interested in the topic, I can’t recommend Growing Up in Scientology enough on YouTube.
Aaron is an amazing educator, commentator, and satirist on the subject of Scientology. Beyond that he has one of the most genuine, yet charismatic personalities of any person on the platform. I can’t say enough good things about him, his journey, and his work with both exposing as well as freeing people from Scientology’s grip.
Growing Up in Scientology: https://youtube.com/@GrowingUpInScientology?si=7AqjhAIP4ptYDJfi
I’ll have to check this out. I watched Leah Remini’s entire series on Scientology and loved it.
Yeah A A Ron covers Scientology really well, cuts through the nonsence with a great deal of knowledge about the subject and does a lot to help victims of the cult. Well worth a watch.
By the time he gets out, he’ll be That 70’s Guy.
BURN!
Hilarious. But, probably won’t last that long in prison. Sex offender and all.
It’s not how you think. For starters not many inmates will risk adding several more years to their sentence for assaulting a sex offender. Most people in prison want to go home. He’ll be fine as long as he keeps to himself or stays with other sex offenders. Also, before someone starts their fantasies, prison rape is not common. Prison Rape Elimination Act ended most of that. The type of sex offenders who do get assaulted in prison generally ask for it. Their specific offense plays a factor but its usually because they’re annoying as hell, keep pushing boundaries with other inmates, actually it’s mostly because they push boundaries.
Depends on where you end up, too. There are a bare handful of prisons full of and geared towards rehabbing sex offenders, though none of those are where he’s going. And low security in general, sure, they’re apt to mostly ostracize them rather than risk extending their own sentence. High security, you’re gonna want to go into protective custody as quickly as possible or gamble on whether or not your skull is ventilated.
Protective custody was where Masterson was being held back in June anyway while awaiting a verdict. I see no real reason he’d be moved out of it, so I’m sure he’ll mostly be bored.
They ask for it in prison? And that’s the only ones who get assaulted, or sexed… You know what this sounds like?
What I mean by the phrase, “They ask for it” is that they do things and push boundaries with other inmates that lead to the assault.
Example: I knew a guy who would always talk about his crime even after he was told to shut the fuck up about it. He was also proud of how he taught his young daughters how to give a bj. His cellies hated him, the cops hated him, most other sex offenders hated him because they wanted to move on and he wanted to stay back. He found his way into solitary.
The rape elimination act ended most of that? Conservatively, between 1986 & 2006, as many as 1M inmates were documented to have been sexually assaulted.
I think you’re projecting a bit on how you’d like to imagine prisons operate.
PREA is mostly an information gathering mechanism.
I’m not projecting anything. By law inmates cannot consent to sex so any sexual encounter is considered rape. This includes encounters between inmates and guards. Forced sexual encountered between inmates is not common anymore.
Also I do not have any experience with higher level federal facilities like Mediums or High security but I assume they are more vigilant.
You’d be right if they were minors - probably not in this case.
Not true at all. I won’t say it’s all Hollywood bullshit, but in most places not even the chomos are in danger.
he’ll be kept in solitary.
At best, Masterson would have to “pay rent” if he were in a regular prison, but honestly he’ll likely go to a rich white person prison where none of that applies. A prisoner would only get killed if he were a child molester.
Can you show me any actual evidence of these facilities, I keep hearing about them but never see any actual evidence they exist
The big difference between this place and Reddit is I would have been called an idiot for not believing it at face value, and here someone just drops a link
You wouldve gotten like a bajillion down votes as well.
I’m browsing on Voyager, which looks a lot like Apollo, discussions branch out down to the right. On reddit the further down and right you went in any given thread it was always mudslinging and downvotes, here it seems to be a lot more people actually talking to each other
How is this special (cushy) prison for rich and famous run by the federal govt justified? Do they try ?
I assume they’re talking about white collar prisons which a sex offender would not be going to AFAIK. If they’re just talking about some secret rich white people prison where violent offenders go when they have money, there isn’t one. Rich people get off if their richness helps enough.
Is it just me or does 30 years to life seem longer than you would expect? I’m not trying to argue what he deserves or what the correct amount of time is for rape. I’m just saying that if I had to guess what kind of sentence someone would get for 2 counts of rape, I’d have guessed something like 15 years at most. It seems especially unusual given that he’s rich, white, and presumably a first-time offender.
If the sentence is unusually long, would that mean an appeal is more likely to be successful?
After the rapist Brock Turner was given a slap on the wrist, California passed mandatory sentencing for rape.
He was accused of 3 rapes but convicted of 2. He received the maximum sentencing for each.
His lawyers are likely going to fight the conviction constantly until the money runs dry.
My personal thought is the conviction is unlikely to be overturned but a sentence reduction is likely. So he got the maximum sentence. Danny will likely be behind bars for at least 6-10 years for his crimes.
California passed mandatory sentencing for rape.
I knew about Brock Turner, but I didn’t know California passed new laws as a result. Do you mean mandatory minimum sentences? Or was the maximum raised too? Would 15 years have been illegal for Turner, but is legal for Masterson?
6-10 years for his crimes.
6-10 years is more what I would have expected given his fame and wealth. I wouldn’t have been surprised at 15. But, 30 to life seems more like what I’d expect from a second-degree murder sentence for someone with a criminal history, not rape by a rich white Hollywood celebrity.
maybe they tried him as a black adult? you know how sometimes they try minors as adults
Sentencing has never made much sense. Depends upon jurisdiction, how many charges prosecutors can tack on, how many you end up going to trial over, how many you get convicted over, and who is responsible for sentencing (in some places the jury sentence, in some the trial judge, in others sentencing is a separate proceeding with a separate judge).
One of the big factors here is that Masterson and his lawyers still deny everything. He didn’t cut a deal, hasn’t shown remorse since he hasn’t admitted to any wrong-doing, and the judge chose to sentence consecutively. First trial was a mistrial, second trial got 2/3 convictions, and apparently they intend to appeal. So depending upon appeal, he is currently facing somewhere between being acquitted on appeal to facing life in prison. In a lot of cases like this, some sort of deal is cut on lesser charges or lesser sentencing in exchange for admitting guilt and not dragging this on through appeal, hence typically shorter sentences. Masterson/his lawyers are instead rolling d20s and the current outcome is a 1.
It’s longer than I’d expect, but it’s what it should be, so it’s refreshing that a judge somewhere is taking rape seriously.
Be prepared to see how many people rise up to say life minimum when it comes to rape. Of course, I just see that as people admitting the system fails the incarcerated and punishes rather than rehabilitates.
If you give harsher punishment for rape than murder, you are just trasforming every rape in a murder rape.
Compared to the rapist Brock Turner it sure seems like a lot. Brock Turner the rapist got a very light sentence.
I have a feeling Brock will get what’s coming to him down the road
he’s also done lots of other evil shit.
https://www.rollingstone.com /music/music-news/cedric-bixler-zavala-reacts-danny-masterson-rape-conviction-scientology-1234745344/amp/
That article talks about the rape, and talks about things that the Scientology cult did on Masterson’s behalf. But, I don’t see anything in there about other evil shit that he has done / been accused of doing. What sorts of things are you talking about?
I might have misremembered him poisoning their dogs, but he did emotionally and physically abuse her. That’s primarily what I was referring to.
Honestly, had the same thought
Yeah, seems high. I’ve known someone that got 10 years for attempted murder (shot someone). I’m not in favor of long sentences like these in general. If a person is not going to rehabilitated in 10 years, then I don’t think adding another 20 years is going to help. Same thing if you look at it from a deterrent perspective (if 10 years isn’t a deterrent, then any sentence probably wouldn’t be). If a person could never be rehabilitated and they would pose a danger to others if released, then a life sentence would probably be the best.
Wooops I guess he’s not rich enough to pay off judges and prosecutors. Sucks to suck.
Scientology couldn’t even save him?
I bet if it was Tom Cruise they would have done more.
We’re clearly seeing some break from the trend of rich and famous people seeing no consequences for being awful.
…creebspy and rapey Kelly, rapestien… it’s been a bit more than a minute now. Sad that it took a whole movement to get the ball rolling though
Nothing came out of the rammstein case. It was concluded that the statements given were false by the Berlin public prosecutors office.
To be fair, I think that is one of those cases where someone says something about something happening, and a whole bunch of people hop on a bandwagon saying the same thing to try and get something out of it. I mean some of the shit they were saying was straight up satirical, the “Suck Box”? Give me a break now.
Lynn even made it a point that Lindemann did not rape her, and then a bunch of women came out and said that he did but never testified against him in one of the safest countries on the planet to do so. The only thing I think is suspicious on rammsteins’ behalf is that they distanced themselves from Makeeva, but perhaps she was spreading rumors about her role with the band? Who knows.
Well for one: I said rapestein. Not rammstein.
And ….
the safest countries on the planet to do soLol how do you out yourself as a misogynistic fuckface mansplaining shit they don’t actually understand without just saying it? Say this bullshit right here.
It’s pretty obvious who you were talking about buddy, don’t play stupid fucking games with me, we aren’t children.
And wow, you’re going to assume that I’m all of those things because I mentioned that Germany takes rape VERY seriously and if allegations are true (they have very invasive investigative procedures), then they should have persued it because justice will absolutely be served? You are an actual piece of shit.
I refuse to further this conversation. You should take time to think about what you said to another human being. You are so fucking rabid that you called me those things when I even presented potential evidence AGAINST them, just that the evidence for them heavily outweighs everything else. You have absolutely no idea what my views are and you automatically assumed I’m one of the worst kinds of people imagineable.
There’s definitely not another actual human being on the other side of that screen, other people definitely don’t matter and don’t have feelings just because you can’t see them.
Shame on you.
For a couple years now, yeah
It’s not that rich people are treated incorrectly, it’s that average people are treated too harshly. Rich people get what everyone should get: A way to defend themselves.
Man, I love That 70s Show, but so much fuckery and creepy shit happened during production. The irony being that this guy could have had any woman he wanted without assaulting them. He was the “cool funny” one on the show. Fucking gross piece of shit.
He finally got what he deserved. Let’s just hope that he can’t hurt anyone ever again.
Hello
WisconsinIncarceration!burned
Has Ashton said anything new yet? The guy built a reputation for defending victims of abuse, but when they’re his buddy Danny’s victims he suddenly has no comment and continued to hang out with him until he was jailed. Every person that was arrested with the help of Ashton Kutcher was automatically called guilty by him without trial, but when his friend rapes people he’s all “I just can’t know”. I lost all my respect for him for refusing to ditch an obvious rapist
I mean, does it really matter? I don’t follow the situation, but his lack of opinion on this matter can be a blight on his reputation but it doesn’t change what he did for other victims.
Besides, who cares about a celebrity’s opinion anyway?
I don’t care about celebrities’ opinions. But in this day and age, those fuckers are listened to by impressionable people who have 24/7 access to their voices.
Well, clearly you do care about Ashton Kutcher’s opinion if you are asking about it.
And that is why it is constantly in the news. It is a lot easier to keep your mouth shut if people aren’t asking you what your thoughts on gun control are at a press junket for Fortress or whatever nonsense that was.
Personally? I like when people are given an opportunity to show their ass. But you don’t get to pretend you are above it all when you are looking for that hot goss.
Eh, let’s give the benefit of the doubt. I ask questions about things I don’t care about all the time especially at work.
Where did I say that I ask for Ashton Kutcher’s opinion? You missed the point I was trying to make. I don’t care about what celebrities have to say, and I wish other people didn’t either, because unfortunately when they say dangerous things, then it spreads like fire. Case in point: celebrity antivaxxers and covid deniers.
I would say here, it matters.
Because of his work with Thorn: Digital Defenders of Children. This doesn’t just hurt his reputation, but very specifically because of the nature of the foundation, could hurt it too. Hopefully it doesn’t, but I’d be surprised if there wasn’t something
It’s a lot easier to condemn someone you don’t know. When a good friend of family member does something horrible, that we feel is out of character for the person we know them as, it can be hard to reconcile those things and come to grips with that.
My sister is friends with a girl who’s father was a pretty prolific serial killer. When she first found out she had no idea, she just knew him as a pretty normal dad. Eventually she was able to accept that he was that person, but it took time, and I have to image that doesn’t completely erase the man she knew him to be before she found out who else he was.
It makes sense for Ashton to stay quiet while he is sorting all that out, assuming he didn’t know all along.
I feel like the church 9f scientology should be held accountable here as well as they tried to hush the women.
I feel like Masterton must have been behind in his Scientology dues for this to happen at all
What’s the difference between this and what Trump did? I’m curious why this one gets prison time, but Trump didn’t. If it was two decades ago when this happened, I would habe thought it was past the statue of limitations.
Criminal vs civil trial due to the statute of limitations. Trump could not be criminally charged as the crime happened too long ago. The law limiting the time was changed in 2006 but that can’t be retroactively applied.
The problem is that many alleged victims of sexual assault, like Carroll, cannot avail themselves of the criminal justice system. At the time when Carroll alleges Trump raped her, the statute of limitations for rape in the state of New York was five years. In 2006, New York changed the law and abolished the statute of limitations for certain types of assault, but that change does not apply retroactively to crimes committed before 2006.
I don’t understand the retroactive part. The rapes supposedly happened in 2003 in this case, which would apply the same way according to this statement. But it doesn’t seem to be applied that way here.
Can’t Hyde from that.
BoJack, is it you?
in the business that’s what they call the big hurt
well shit. I really liked him, I was hoping it wasn’t true. oh well, fuck that guy then.
