Charlie Kirk confirmed dead.
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It’s honestly been a while since a breaking news story put a massive grin on my face
How? Why? This could have incredibly dangerous consequences. Didn’t Trump send the national guard after a dodge employee was beaten up? Only time how he will exploit this situation for further gaining power.
Seriously, I’m shocked how nonchalant people are reacting. Further escalation of political violence is extremely dangerous for the left at the moment and could be extremely lucrative for the Trump regime, which is constantly testing the water on how far they can go in terms of seizing power.
Don’t forget, it was also an assassination that was the trigger for the Kristallnacht. You hopefully are not quite at that stage, but it is events like this that moves you closer…
sometimes you like seeing turds get flushed even though your anus is sore
Yes, I agree, but those fears took a bit to set in. Whereas my initial reaction was to “person who supports your extermination is no longer”
If it wasn’t this it was going to be something else. At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.
A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues, but probably only temporarily and would ultimately have the same end result.
If there’s anything to learn from Kristallnacht is that there was never going to be enough capitulation and appeasement that would’ve prevented it and that appeasement ultimately works to multiply the harms done.
If it wasn’t this it was going to be something else.
Trump isn’t invincible. Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him. This is a very convenient distraction.
At least this definitely solved a problem permanently.
What problem is solved? Kirk was a very effective propagator, especially with younger people, but he’s not irreplaceable. And his death is already being used as very effective propaganda.
A repeat of something like the doge employee assult could fix some issues
Again, what issue is solved? I don’t understand what you think this achieves. The main effect stuff like this has is giving the right effective propaganda material and escalating violence. And the left is not in a position where escalating violence benefits the US, quite the opposite.
there was never going to be enough capitulation
I do not suggest capitulation or appeasement… But in order to resist effectively, you need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.
Stuff like the Epstein thing actually seemed to hurt him.
The “Epstein thing” is never going to have reprecussions within Trump’s natural lifespan. Those “50yr birthday cards” that are getting showcased are over 24 years old at this point. Nearly twice the age of some of the alleged victims. Several of who have been saying, with signed testimonials and everything that Trump was there.
What evidence exactly do you want that you think would have any effect? From my perspective even if there was an explicit video of him unambiguously raping a child his supporters would claim it was a “deep fake” and anyone who viewed, distributed, or acknowledged it’s existence it would be serving 20yrs to life for CP possession. It might be acknowledged as fact 50 years afterwards, but by that point it really doesn’t matter.
he’s not irreplaceable
Nobody is perfectly replaceable. But I understand what you’re saying and I unfortunately don’t think your wrong, but it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role. It’s how the state has kept “leftist” orgs down in the US for at least 50+ years.
There has never been another Fred Hampton, there will never be another Charlie Kirk.
You need stronger organization. This makes organizing way more difficult.
I agree fully on needing stronger organization, however the biggest issue I have found in most leftist organizing is there is little to no understanding or willingness for any form of self defense. I don’t see how this affects existing organizing methods, tactics, etc. Can you expand on what you’re seeing here?
The “Epstein thing” is never going to have reprecussions
It’s hard to tell, but it has disillusioned at least some of his supporters, showing that it is possible, at least for some people, to snap out of the cult. Obviously some will always support him, no matter what.
it will take a lot of time and significant financial investment for someone else to fill that role.
I don’t think it will hurt them in any significant way, maybe even the opposite. Kirk is still incredibly useful as a martyr figure and it’s not like he had much of an operational role. He was a propagandist and he will still be used to spread far right propaganda, even in his death.
I understand that he was incredibly influencial, but that’s mostly because he was a pioneer of the modern right who made the right wing cool to a younger audience, but his methods have since been adapted by many other right wing propagandists.
Or can you explain why you think his assasination will weaken or harm the right? Because I don’t see it.
it has disillusioned at least some of his supporters
Has it? You added a lot of weasel words to that claim there. If so what evidence specifically disillusioned them? Again from my perspective I hear a lot of “this will surely be the end of him” and then that predicted “end” never comes. My understanding is that disconnect comes from an inaccurate belief that there is equality under law, equality in reporting, etc.
Kirk is still incredibly useful as a martyr figure
Probably, but if martyr figures were that powerful then wouldn’t it be useful for ‘the left’ to also start martyring themselves? Martyrs can only ever do passive propoganda, Charlie was doing active propoganda and ultimately I don’t think Martyrs tend to be all that useful.
why you think his assasination will weaken or harm the right
- one less active propagandist
- power vacuum and loss of leadership within turning point
- chilling effect on this sort of rhetoric
- impulsive and poorly planned ‘retaliations’ causing further damage
- reminding those ‘in power’ of their mortality
Has it?
Yep.
You added a lot of weasel words
The point is that Trumps image can change, even for his core supporters… I obviously have no clue exactly how many of his supporters were dissilusioned, which is why I will use “weasel words” (aka estimates and guesses)…
I hear a lot of “this will surely be the end of him”
I doubt that there will ever be the “one thing” where everyone suddenly realises they have been duked… Obviously that’s not how it works…
if martyr figures were that powerful
Ever heard of George Floyd? Trayvon Martin? Eric Garner? Those people weren’t even influencial to the left wing as a movement when they were alive (unlike Kirk), yet they still fueled one of the biggest movements in recent years.
start martyring themselves?
Some people do that, but in order to be powerful, they have to have been killed by the enemy you want to mobilize people against… Which is why the right will do whatever they can to blame this on “the radical left”, no matter what.
I don’t think Martyrs tend to be all that useful.
I think you are incredibly wrong on this point.
one less active propagandist
Pretty insignificant considering the countless other right wing propagandists out there who do pretty much the same thing. Also, events like this have a tendency to inspire more propagandists and radicalize people.
power vacuum and loss of leadership within turning point
Possible, but again, tp is not THAT important. They have turned a significant part of the youth and have a likeminded regime in power that continues to concolidate power. And they can an will use this event to consolidate more.
chilling effect on this sort of rhetoric
That’s not gonna happen…
impulsive and poorly planned ‘retaliations’ causing further damage
Damage to whom? You don’t know because the potential results are unpredictable.
reminding those ‘in power’ of their mortality
Like Trump’s failed assassinations?
These guys think they can talk all day about how they are going to make other’s lives worse, often those with lesser means, and they think they should enjoy safety themselves at all times. This while caring so little for others who are victims of gun violence, offering up weak thoughts and prayers and no action. Well, today he got to live the life he always wanted, he just wanted it for others.
Look at some of the bastards talking about him. I’m sure inside they’re fucking scared, trying to guess how much they’ll have to spend for security and start having coffee with Erik Prince or some thuggery.
Why the fuck is Donald Trump the one announcing his death?
Does that stink of this being a false flag and Kirk was chosen as an expendable to anyone else??
I am not at all convinced the shooter was a leftist or liberal.
It was a truly wildly impressive shot. One single shot taken over 200 yards away through a very limited angle that made an instant-kill hit, and no suspect in custody? Hmm…
It is extremely convenient that this happened immediately after the publication of the Epstein birthday book.
Like Trump needs distraction. He could breathe slightly funny or his hands could turn a different shade of purple and the news circus would move on from the birthday book tomorrow, which doesn’t even confirm anything we didn’t already know.
Killer was well-prepared and a good shot, unlike the weirdo who tried to take out Trump. The only unusual thing is that people who have the mental acumen to actually pull something like this off and not get caught immediately tend to be mentally stable enough not to attempt something like that.
But times are a-changing and political violence in the US is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. People forgot that the Rule of Law and Social Contract were meant not just as ways to prevent conservatives from implementing ethnic/religious fundamentalism, but also to prevent this exact kind of thing happening. Trump is at the helm of a government he seemingly distrusts, whose own rules he constantly breaks or ignores, whose institutions he actively sabotages, whose fundamental principles he spits on. As a consequence trust in all three branches of government is crumbling, which inevitably legitimizes political violence as a last resort vector of change.
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Huh?? I’ve seen a lot of videos from the event already and none show anything like a shooter from the crowd. Post a link, otherwise this is total bullshit
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Charlie Kirk shooter wore dark clothing, fired from a roof on campus some distance away, Utah authorities say
Please post a link, I want to see.
I’m not sure the dot world admins would like that.
Edit: well fuck me for being cautious.
I already saw the blood gushing from his neckhole video posted here so the admins don’t give a shit
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The videos are being wiped?! What do you mean? You suggest there is an effort to destroy every single copy.
not every single copy, just the ones that show the shot coming from the crowd.
i literally cant find them anywhere now.
There’s no way they would shut down a propaganda powerhouse like that. It’s tempting to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but the vast majority of times it’s really the simple explanations that count.
It honestly could be as simple as “a school shooting victim’s relative wants revenge against the speaker who ridiculed their tragedy.”
Ain’t no solidarity like fascist solidarity.
Because the orange tumor ordered his execution?
I’m betting the shooter is a pizza gater and got upset Charlie stopped talking about the Epstein files or something like that
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I don’t feel bad when evil people die, but I also don’t chuckle this much. The irony is very much alive, unlike Kirk.
The way the mic just falls out of his hand 🤣
fuck I guess at least it was worth it
I watched this while taking a shit. Thanks for the link!
I normally don’t watch gore, but I made an exception because Kirk condoned guns so much. Still, that juxtaposition of the shot to the neck was quite shocking.
Bruh… We are in for an explosion of political violence… Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable. Welcome to your average black Americans reality. Police killings are political violence but no one with actual power ever gave a shit.
Just like “Elections are the pressure release of an unhappy populace” trust in rule of law helps prevent people from taking things into their own hands.
Police protection of right wing shotters, ignoring due process, the supreme court saying it’s ok to break the law if you are Trump. People have lost faith in the instutions of law and are taking things into their own hands.
This is the result of the Republicans dismantling the norms of government and rule of law.
No, we are the targets now. This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.
They were going to do that regardless of what happened today. At least they’re one raging Nazi short.
Always remember yall, they hate us for existing, we hate them for the harm they cause to others. We are not the same.
Now they’ll accelerate the pace since the public will be less critical of such action, and 5 raging Nazis will take his place on social media. Unlike violent MAGA cultists, you won’t be recruiting very many progressives who would consider right-wingers with social media accounts to be worthy of a death sentence.
Nothing good has been accomplished here.
Nothing good has been accomplished here.
Kirk’s assassination will put a chill on professional haters being bold enough to spew their hate in public venues.
You sound like when an abused child tells his baby sister not to do anything to make dad mad
You sound like someone who is okay with murdering people you don’t like
Well, that doesn’t make any sense at all as a third party reading this bullshit. Perhaps you should calm down and stop reacting and start READING.
That’s okay I’m fine with not being a terrorist
So you are pro-fascism? Good job.
Dumb
Ps willing to bet it was the neo Nazies he was arguing with on Twitter with the week before. He he was figuratively telling them that their obvert racism was bad for business and the conservative agenda. And they said he’s a jew simp and threatened him.
Why blame Nazis? You are clearly demonstrating that there are plenty of leftists willing to murder people they disagree with on the Internet
How about you take those pearls you are clutching so tightly, and go tell every millionaire, executive, board members, police/ice agent, and nazi this warning. Because apparently you nor them have ever picked up a history book. This only ends one way unless they fuck off to their private sex islands leaving all their wealth. That or them and/or their offspring’s remains will be strung up in the streets as a cautionary tail. I’m not threatening anyone. It’s no different that 2+2=4. Authoritarianism plus inequality equals a lot of dead people.
Violent revolution requires hearts and minds, it requires a people so oppressed and wronged that a popular uprising is possible. Unfortunately that means you have to suffer to some degree before that becomes a viable path to retaking power. You can’t skip past it, because then you are standing by yourself looking like nothing more than one of the theoretical leftist terrorists radicals they keep talking about, which i always found ridiculous until i saw the reactions here.
This isn’t some Luigi moment, he wasn’t sitting around deciding who lives and dies, he was just a right-winger with a social media presence, and i happen to follow a lot of left-wingers with a social media presence who I’d prefer to not see targeted for murder by a bunch of crazies just because they don’t like what they hear.
Revolution is going to require you to step out of your bubble and understand that most Americans, including progressives like me who didn’t even vote for Clinton because they were not progressive enough, will find your reaction appalling and will never endorse this sort of depravity. Do something more productive with those emotions, understand that good things do not come quickly or easily, and that this has not achieved a single good thing.
Uhhhhhhh popular up rising. Have you just been online? Have you just been watching “main stream” news? Has your life been that comfortable?
For the last time no one is dumb to what you are trying to say. Say I’m in a bubble? Bruh… Go spend your energy somewhere else on individuals that actually need to hear your words. Because we know. There’s more than enough popular connections going on. You just aren’t connected to your community. My community is gearing up for tougher times than we are currently dealing with. So go on. Keep acting like your bubble is a litmus test for whats going on. You are obviously overlooking tons of organizing and ground work going on in communities different than your own.
Go spend your flowery words on those that actually need it. Because many demographics and communities are organized and are ready for what comes next.
Take a break from the internet and go discuss with your community about your proposal of shooting people in the neck when they say shit you don’t like and have a big enough view count and see how much help they think you are to their problems.
Holy shit! You still there!? It’s was neo Nazies 😂🤣😂🤣 I totally called it. Dragging my nuts across your propaganda is making my day.
If you were so sure it was Nazi you shouldn’t have lead with “Only difference between now and the past is white wealthy men are the targets. Watching them freak out when they are gunned down on a random Wednesday is laughable.” and then spent the whole arguing why this murder is justified.
That’s was my point: that thinking is how Nazis acts, not progressives, and that by applauding this you are making it easier for people to claim the left are the violent ones and playing right into their propaganda.
The fact that you are relieved it was potentially Nazis tells me that deep down inside you know this was bad for business, so thank you for spending another toilet break to follow up on this.
Lol yes I stand by every word. Want to know my next prediction? They killed him because the wanted to start a race war. In a just world Kirk would have never have been platformed and given millions to lie about other races, ethnicities, gender, and religion. In a just world Kirk would have been thrown in jail for inciting violence. His death was injustice. But because of his actions and others just like him and yourself his outcome was inevitable. It is celebrated, yes. Ridiculed, yes. Hell, how murder was so predictable Kirk was wearing a bullet proof vest. He should have taken all the hints and examples from his past and put more love and acceptance of into the world. Then maybe he would have never would have caught the eye of those willing to do violence… Remember 2+2=4? And look at all the people just like him and yourself. Backflips to save face? Or Idk what is going through yalls head. Actions have consequences. His actions equaled his death. Because once you throw your lot in with everything modern day conservatives, capitalist, neo-liberals, and bigots beliefs you only have yourself to blame when those same ideals are focused on yourself for even a second is just a fraction of the pain he put out into the world. If it didn’t happen to him last Wednesday or within his lifetime, it was going to happen to anyone who picked up his fight. 2+2=4. Keep acting like the equation is the problem and we’ll never advance as a species.
And yes. Squeezed a few out while typing this. Because you and people like you are the problem. And I truly hope you wake up and influence those who actually are going to end up just like Kirk. It’s going to happen. If not tomorrow, definitely/predictably/ inevitably this is the outcome. You need to change if you want to save yourself or those that want to follow you.
My final question and comment to you is, will you? I did. The black and brown communities did. Women did. Poor communities did. Hell even children have. Why not you?
I mean they invaded dc. Likely this doesn’t change anyone’s plans
This was the perfect excuse to increase militarization against the citizenry and distract from the Epstein Files. Whoever did this is a short-sighted idiot.
For all we know, Kirk was a sacrificial lamb, and this is all part of the plan.
Sad they will never identify the vaccine that caused this.
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if only we weren’t all trans by executive order. damn forcefemming trump
That’s because it wasn’t a vaccine!
It was the LiBeRaL mInD vIrUs!!!1!! 😯
They say you should only speak good of the dead. He’s dead. Good.
Bravo. Practice what you preach. It’s about time these people started putting money where their mouth is, eh.
Was it his gay lover that killed him?
I am unironically concerned about the motives of his assassin. Every time we see something like this, I get this sinking feeling like we’ve just seen the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.
But then, we keep discovering that they’re right-wing nutjobs, and so the people who are praying for a civil war have to gnash their teeth and pretend like they’re not just looking for any reason to go on a killing spree.
Nothing would please me more than if it was some personal reason, like a jilted gay lover.
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Totally agree. Either way, this will 1000000% be used to fan the flames. If it turns out to be a left wing woke nutjob or something they will obviously cream their pants in glee and just scream something along the lines of “see? The left is so horrible and so violent. Look at what they’ve done! We need to stop them now before it gets worse!” If it’s a right wing idiot they’ll just gloss over that and say “look how violent our cities our. There’s criminals roaming the streets, we need to bring in the tanks to take our cities back!”
My money is on right wing accelerationist
Was this to silence anyone with firsthand Epstein knowledge?
Trump and his cult created this environment. His hate mongering and baiting brought us here.
cause <-> effect, then you’re cooking
Today I dance to P Funk, alive, and smoke weed to celebrate, alive.
You outlived Charlie Kirk. You’re doing pretty good, I’d say.
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I think that’s Steven Crowder, Charlie Kirk also did the ‘change my mind’ thing, but be had a much smaller face.
That is Crowder, but Kirk was under a “change my mind” banner when he said his last words.
Ah, til
Not to actually you, but he was famous for his Prove Me Wrong table - it’s a better phrase for how cocky this dude was.
I enjoyed a nice day of being alive today.
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