The disapproval of Elon Musk is the top reason Tesla Model 3 owners are selling their electric vehicles and going for another brand, according to a new survey of 5,000 Model 3 owners.
Tesla spent years building a brand identity that is intimately woven together with Musk. It’s damaged goods now as far as I’m concerned. Every time I encounter one of its products I think about it. It wasn’t too long ago when I was eagerly following product updates in the hopes of eventually buying a car power wall or that solar roof system. I was enthusiastic about rationalizing away the poor build quality and terrible customer support. Now, I would never buy a thing from them and I’m happy to pass judgement on anyone who does. $tslaq
Even beyond Musk the quality of Tesla’s for the price is absolute shit. His presence just makes it even worse. The main selling point for them was the higher range but seems like that may have been a lie the whole time.
That’s the reality
Musk is a dipshit. But the brand was always doomed once other car manufacturers finally started pushing mainline EVs. Because why would you want an overpriced car with no steering wheel that leaks in the rain when you could just drive an electric Ford Focus?
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Not hard to be worse than musk when you lived from 1863-1947 lol.
Yeah, being anti-semitic and racist is kinda the default for white folks back then, source half my ancestry is rich white folks the other half is poor white folks.
He’s been dead for 76 years.
Hello and welcome to the 21st century.
Seeing the new mustang I definitely believe Henry Ford is still at the helm of this ship directing Ford from the depths of hell.
You mean Edsel.
Henry Ford died almost 30 years before Elon Musk was even born.
Yeah? He’s been dead for decades. Who cares?
that may have been a lie the whole time.
Musk’s taint on the brand is I think majorly based on this type of thing. His twitter purchase has revealed that he’s a serial liar, and now people are seeing all of the ways that it is happening with Tesla. People tolerate assholes all of the time. What they don’t want to tolerate is snake oil salesmen, and I’m not sure there has ever been a bigger one than Musk.
Curious what quality issues you mean?
Here ya go: https://insideevs.com/news/549130/consumerreports-tesla-reliability-poor-2021/
Start here and I’m sure you’ll be able to guide yourself in this journey from there.
Tesla is the most recalled vehicle brand. That’s impressive. Looking at you Kia/hyundai and Nissan.
Musk himself admits Tesla has build quality issues
Search “Tesla panel gap issues”. Tons of people complaining and many say that trying to fix the issue causes other, bigger gaps, or just gets worse. I’ve heard rumor that if you try to fix them, you’ll void some kind of Tesla support.
Oh, and one of the most damning ones in my book. During a car fire, which Tesla has had PLENTY of, some genius decided that the door locks should default to LOCKED. Who the actual fuck thought this was acceptable? How did they ever make it into production.
There’s a video floating around of a guy kicking his windows out to escape his burning Tesla.
Dumb dumb musk decided he was smarter than everyone else, (spoiler he’s not) and overrode his own engineers. He decided there were no physical sensors required for auto driving, only cameras. Every other manufacturer knows that not possible yet, but musk knew better
Yes, a lot of car fires are difficult to extinguish, and yes, electric/hybrids more so, but teslas are exceptional. Can’t out out the many teslas that catch fire When the local fire dept came by to inspect our business we got to chatting and they said that they had a Tesla catch fire. They used everything in their arsenal, and a LOT of water. Like more than you could imagine. Then it got towed to a holding yard. Someone parked it up against a building, and next to quite a few other vehicles waiting for legal things/inspections. Tesla reignited in the tow yard and took out everything near it too. The yard is in BIG trouble for damaging a whole lot of evidence/vehicles being held for court cases, etc.
I could go on, but those are the biggest ones.
They’ve also found out the hard way that automotive grade parts exist for a reason.
https://www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.
There are also the people who got locked out of their cars because the battery died. Or even better the one that locked INSIDE their tesla when the 12v battery died. Getting locked inside a car, in AZ heat is deadly, VERY rapidly.
That’s like the door failing to locked when the car is on fire, or in an accident. Who the fuck let that pass QC?
I’m not a Musk fan at all but some of these are misleading or just downright wrong.
Tesla is only the most recalled brand if you categorize “recalls” to include software updates. If Tesla can fix an issue via an OTA update, it shouldn’t be considered a recall but it is in the source being used.
Teslas do have build issues but they’re not overwhelmingly more present than other cars. They’re only showing that way because Tesla only has 4 models of car and the build issues carry over from year to year. That’s not the case for other cars where, like with a Jetta, the body is redesigned but the name stays the same.
The door lock thing is also misleading because the case would be the same for any other car where the driver locked the doors. Either way, the fire department is breaking a window. They don’t have magic keys to open every car door out there. The fire department could pull on the handle all day long and it wouldn’t matter. The driver locked the doors and could have opened them but didn’t (and there’s even a special manual override for them along with a Fire Department quick access switch at the front of the car).
Edit: People are downvoting objectively true information.
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/12/29/most-recalls-by-car-manufacturer-2022/
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/smartselect_20191224-132903_adobe-acrobat-jpg.492495/
First and foremost, when you have a vehicle with an electric door lock, you ALWAYS fail it to open. On a “normal” car (yeah there are some that are all electric now too), you have a physical switch that you flip, and it’s unlocked. The locking mechanism for the Tesla is electric, so in the case of the wires being damaged, or as witnessed, the car being on fire, you have no MECHANICAL mechanism to open the door. Supposedly, there is one INSIDE the door, lol what? but how many people will know that, and more importantly be able to access it in a panic?
I did a little more digging. SOME models are equipped with a mechanical release on the door (I assume it’s something you have to pay extra for), but not all of them. As I mentioned above, there is a mechanical option, but you would have to know exactly to remove the door card trim panel, and access the cable. People don’t even read enough of the owners manual to know how shit they really want works, let alone a safety issues.
Clearly you don’t understand what a recall is. Recalls are highly regulated, and things like a software update for the aircon do not fall under the recall term. In fact, manufacturers do everything in their power to avoid recalls. They will often issue a TSB, instead, when a recall isn’t being forced by the NHTSA. Good try though. As you can see from teslas own website (I don’t believe this is even close to all of them) they are ALL safety issues, which is what recalls are for, either voluntary, or forced by NHTSA.
No, they absolutely have more build quality issues than even the lowest trim shit econoboxes. I always say that a tesla is a corolla with a big computer in it, but even the corolla is built WAY better, and I’m old enough to remember 80s cars. Those were pretty damn bad.
First and foremost, how does a normal, non-Tesla car fail to an unlocked door? If the car caught fire and was locked, how does the car unlock the doors in your scenario? Teslas have a mechanical switch that’s no different from the situation you’ve described since the driver was passed out. The door needed to be opened from the outside so it’s literally no different for the Tesla.
Also, your digging was wrong. The Model 3, for example has a mechanical release right on the door that doesn’t need any digging or removal of anything. (https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/smartselect_20191224-132903_adobe-acrobat-jpg.492495/)
Clearly you don’t understand what a recall is
I know exactly what a recall is and you’re wrong again. In 2022 alone, Tesla came in 7th amongst auto manufacturers for recalls but 2nd in total cars affected because over-the-air fixes are still considered recalls. (https://www.autoblog.com/2022/12/29/most-recalls-by-car-manufacturer-2022/) Regardless of that, under no interpretation of it does Tesla have the most recalls of any car manufacturer, unless you include the OTA update recalls.
So it sounds like you don’t understand what a recall is.
Everything else you’ve said is subjective garbage. Unless you have some evidence to back up your claims, you’re just spreading more of the lies that are exactly what I’m complaining about. Tesla and Musk have enough real problems that you don’t need to make up their problems.
This, I read the article and it lays it out, even though it’s misleading in it’s title and conclusion.
Hey… I loved my 80s Corolla. I drove it until it was practically dust. And it was a manual. You can barely even find manuals these days.
Miata is always the answer.
I’m not knocking corollas exactly. But they are what they are. They are cheap point a to point b appliances.
I’d say 80s cars had a lot more character anyhow. They were in a lot of ways more enjoyable.
False
Oh ok.
Probably stuff like this:
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/04/tesla-model-s-plaid-buyer-rants-about-poor-build-quality/
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I wanted a Tesla for years. I even had stock which helped me buy my house.
I no longer want a Tesla and it 100% has to do with musk. And I decided that before I realized I’m trans.
On the other hand, maybe we should start a foundation to buy Teslas for trans people. Can you imagine how pissed Musk would get if it suddenly became cool to be trans in a Tesla?
Lol so are the CEOs of all the other manufacturers people to look up to and admire? Would you buy a Volkswagen or did you own one when Martin Winterkorn was running it?
Elon is a man child, I don’t look to him for any insights or knowledge, would I buy a Tesla? Ya if the car itself is good, if it’s not good then I wouldn’t buy it. It wouldn’t have anything to do with Musk however
Who do you bank with? Do you hold those CEOs to the same standards and not use their products?
Good luck buying anything where there isn’t some ethical issues surrounding the people who are the the top of those corporations
Most other ceos shut their mouth and let the product speak. Tesla/Elon’s mo has been to have the product in the background with him at the forefront, that worked well until it didn’t
Most other ceos shut their mouth and let the product speak
I prefer my evil rulers behind the curtain, thank you very much!
*this is in no way a defence of Musk it’s a pointing out how ridiculous it is to see a problem with him but not care about the other obscenely wealthy capitalists who not only exploit labour and hoard resources, but also basically own government via either corruption (aka “lobbying”) or direct representation (ie all the rich fucks in government making rules for themsleves and their friends), just like Musk, simply because they’re “polite” enough to do it behind closed doors.
That’s not to say don’t buy the things you need, it’s to say don’t be deluded in to thinking that it matters. As long as capitalism exists, governance by and for the rich isn’t going anywhere, and your money will always be going to one of maybe a couple dozen people.
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Not sure where we disagree here? You are right the jackass just can’t keep his mouth shut I don’t care what his beliefs are though, I don’t go to corporations for my ethics, I go to them because I want to buy a product
Well put you made a great point
I object to giving my hard earned money to evil people. I recommend the same.
In that case you must then remove yourself from society, since not only does at least 90% of the money you spend end up in the pockets of evil people, but evil people are also keeping much if not most of your hard earned money for themselves before you ever know it existed by paying you less than your labour is worth (what you earned them).
This is a feature, not a bug.
You have a choice. I choose to vote with my wallet.
Easier said than done, unless one doesn’t have money to begin with
Nothing wrong with that but… again do you do that across the board all the time because if you do congrats it’s not an easy thing to accomplish
And I’m not dumb I know it doesn’t have to be an all or nothing, doing it when you can is great I just can’t stand people who pontificate about shitheads like Musk but buy all their shit from Amazon
You can’t have a rational discussion about Tesla on lemmy. So many people are so sick of hearing about Musk that only those who REALLY hate him will click on an article about him. Those people can not separate the product from the vocal dirtbag that is its CEO.
It’s not worth even trying here.
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The most upvoted comments certainly are not.
Because you disagree with them?
No, because they are clearly wrong.
Yes, people will throw reality in your face. Horrible.
Musk is a horrible person, so anyone who likes a Tesla is wrong for liking the car.
Totally rational.
This, coming from a user base on Lemmy who is supposed to be the opposite of facist conservatives.
I don’t care about downvotes for giving my opinion, but so many people in this thread are intrenched in their beliefs as any MAGA fool.
Yes, people don’t like supporting a horrible person. How irrational.
The fascist conservative mindset is to support horrible people, so yes, lemmy is against that.
It’s ok, I hear Truth Social is a safe haven for your belief system.
I personally think Musk is a massive pile of garbage but that wouldn’t make me not buy a Tesla, I’ll buy it if it’s a decent car, if I had the money right now it would be between a Tesla and an Ionic
People trying to tie their purchases to the ethics of the people who run the companies are divorced from reality imo
Biggest issue is social. Buying a Tesla associates you positively with musk (by design), and from my experience most Tesla owners are incredibly annoying about it. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting to avoid the stigma. Same reason people buy Harleys - the brand name and cultural associations on a vehicle matter a lot, sometimes even more than the car itself.
I can see what you are saying but that’s not a universal thing, like when it comes to Tesla I never associated that with Musk he’s just the shithead that owns it, to me it’s more about the most widely available semi affordable electric car you could buy since the legacy manufacturers dragged their asses wasting time with hydrogen and hybrids
I guess the difference I have here with people is exactly that, I don’t attach him as being Tesla
That was a good way of putting it describing it like a Harley, makes sense. I ride motorbikes and I dgaf about what brand I own, I’d ride anything including a Harley
I wanted a Tesla. I was ready to get a model 3. Then he went full blown ass clown and at first I thought it was a joke, like he was just messing around being funny. Then I realized how big of a dbag he really is and yeah, no thanks. I bought a CTS-V instead and although it’s the opposite of fuel efficient, it’s the most fun vehicle I’ve ever driven.
Someone point me in the direction of an EV that’s better in terms of price and performance. I hate Musk, but this anti-tesla shit is ridiculous to me. I’d buy another one because the CEO of a car company isn’t the reason for my car purchase. How people can’t separate that is so strange to me. Capitalism sucks, but what other car company is transitioning us away from fossil fuels better and quicker? Fuck Musk, but Tesla has the right mission statement. Without them, EVs would still be another few decades away
When we got on the wait-list for Starlink I thought he was a cool innovator type.
Luckily we’ve had the Starlink for a couple years now and I typically forget that his embarrassing ass has anything to do with it!
Glad we got it back then, I’d probably write it off now and not trust it/him enough to spend the money (it was a decent investment for equipment).
If I already had a Tesla I don’t know that I’d sell it because of him, but he was one of the major factors in me not even considering them when I was shopping for my EV. The other reasons being shoddy quality control, shitty practices, and dumb design decisions. All of which probably stem from him anyway.
I’d be looking to sell it, specifically because of him.
The willingness for him to make executive decisions to fuck people using his platforms is what frightens me. He’ll cut starlink for people he doesn’t like. He’ll snipe twitter accounts of people he doesn’t like.
Since Teslas can be remotely force fed new updates, I genuinely believe it’s just a matter of time before he starts fucking with peoples cars. I expect as a way to use Tesla owners as pawns to apply political pressure in areas w/ high ownership that enact tax policy he doesn’t like.
My friends already sold their Teslas a few months ago.
It was such a wild ride watching them go, “Surely he’s not serious” to “I’m embarrassed to drive this”.
I wouldn’t doubt he’d try that, but if he did he’d be in for a world of hurt since people need their cars to get to work. I imagine the government wouldn’t take kindly to people’s 5 digit dollar purchased not working on the whims of a crazy billionaire.
It doesn’t have to be as blatant as turning them off. Just garnishing features. Nerfing sentinel, range, top speed, etc.
I can almost hear the bullshit. “X state’s lithium recycling tax policy means we have to limit discharge to 80% to avoid premature battery degredation. Drivers may notice a range reduction but it is required to operate within this new regulatory environment”
Yeah, if my car was beyond repair tomorrow and I needed a new one, I’d be getting either a Hyundai Ioniq 6 or a Silverado EV. A few years ago, I would’ve been leaning toward the Model 3.
Hyundai Ioniq 6
Please don’t buy that one due to significant safety concerns with the i-pedal driving mode feature https://youtu.be/U0YW7x9U5TQ
First, that’s the Ioniq 5.
Second, they’ve updated it.
THANK GOD. Also thank you for sharing this information. That fact scared the actual shit out of me
Yeah, hopefully other EV designers learn from this.
Just don’t use one pedal mode.
So. What’s your plan here exactly? Are you just going to tell all of the owners don’t use that feature or ?
I’m saying if you want an EV6 and you don’t care about one pedal driving, then you don’t have to worry about that problem. It’s an optional driving mode that I personally don’t use since I dislike it.
While I understand your perspective I don’t think you’re seeing mine.
I understand I don’t have to use that feature, I’m concerned about the (now fixed) safety violation the feature presents by not indicating that someone is breaking when those drivers who want to use it choose to do so.
Simply saying “don’t use it” only fixes it in one instance.
I’m concerned about it too, but telling people “don’t buy it” isn’t any more helpful than saying “don’t use this feature.”
I really want a bolt euv but I’m put off by them cancelling and then uncancelling it. I’m worried what will happen when they stop making the car (and therefore parts for it) a year or two after I bought it…
No car is made forever, even a next generation isn’t going to use the same parts and this has regularly happened with cars when they make new generations, it’s not a new problem.
Same. I had to get a new car recently. Prices were crazy and I wish I had gone with a new instead of a used. But Tesla was off the list from the beginning. I figured I’d wait one more car to get electric. Should be in a new place by then where I can install a home charger too, and the prices will probably be drastically lower by the time my current car dies again.
teslas were cool when they were the only practical electric cars, especially sports cars. but that’s no longer true and it’s becoming less so every year. may as well get a mach-e or a ioniq and ditch muskyboy
its funny how selling a car brand as “eco” friendly backfires when you’re a fascist cunt
It blows my mind that Elon would still be well-regarded as a visionary entrepreneur, accurately or not, if he had just kept his stupid fucking mouth shut.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt
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Your generalizations about US consumers has no basis in reality. You really think people would buy these mass-market products if they weren’t good? Just look at the consumer satisfaction surveys. I’m far from a Tesla fan, but for a long time, there weren’t truly good competitors to Tesla EVs. iphones have always and continue to be some of the most highly rated phones on the market.
And what is wrong with voting with your wallet and choosing not to support the business of a terrible person? That’s about the only power you have as a consumer, so people should exercise that power if they see fit.
They buy things based on how they will be perceived for owning it.
The article says they don’t want Tesla’s because of the guy running the company, not because of their perception for owning it.
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Tesla never really had a brand besides being “Elon Musk’s electric car company”, and now as it turns out it’s way easier for car companies to add tech into their cars than for a tech company to learn to build good cars.
I think it’s more about how those types of buyers view the manufacturers reliability long term. The man is unhinged and has proven with Twitter that if given the chance he will willingly fuck over users. Imagine giving a bully the ability to limit your driving range or disabling your vehicle on a whim because he decides he doesn’t like you or what your local govt says.
Not saying he would do it but he has proven repeatedly to be unstable enough to believe he could escape punishment for doing it.
Imagine giving a bully the ability to limit your driving range or disabling your vehicle on a whim because he decides he doesn’t like you
He cancelled a reporter’s Tesla Model X pre-order because he criticized Tesla on late deliveries on pre-orders.
I read that someone had upgraded their P60 to a P90 by getting a new battery, all official and from Tesla and months later they updated his firmware and locked out the extra 30Kwh because it wasn’t the stock battery.
It’s shit like that that keeps me from owning anything Elon related.
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I used to want a Tesla… Now I don’t. That’s 60% Elon and 40% their poor build quality.
The second percentage should be higher. It’s not, though. Elon is a very hateable person due to his low IQ, and astronomically high level of arrogance.
Your post does not contain enough edgy for him to read or notice it. Have you considered what Neo would say in the Matrix?
I aspired to own a Tesla before musk started showing his colours now I would find it embarrassing
My partner needed to buy a new vehicle. A Tesla Model was easily in budget. But they opted not to buy one because they want zero affiliation with Musk or any connotations that they may endorse his behavior by owning one of his products.
Decades of traditional automakers sabotaging the whole concept of EVs should make them the bad guys when it comes to EVs.
Elon has managed to make them the good guys.
I’m sure the anti-woke crowd he is pandering to is going to jump in and buy up all the teslas
I think the Ford electric truck is selling like crazy to that demographic; if you really need low end torque suddenly an electric motor is tolerable.
Lmao my dad never shuts the fuck up about electric cars now he wants an electric car because Elon became a right wing god.
Elon musk didn’t really think about how people who buy electric cars and the anti-woke is two non-connected circles on a Venn diagram.
That’s the risk when your brand is a “status symbol” and the company is closely linked with your personality.
Steve Jobs knew how to do this well. Elon is no Steve Jobs…
Imagine Steve Jobs taking to Twitter calling all doctors pedos for trying to fix cancer with chemotherapy instead of fructose syrup.
I mean, Jobs was a notorious asshole by basically all non-consumer accounts. If modern social media were 10-15 years older, he would totally have been raving batshit insane stuff. And, if the unverifiable “company stories” my buddy at Apple has shared are true… it would have been fucked.
But that gets to the crux of it. It is more or less “the Tom Cruise problem” as it were. Tom is a notoriously batshit insane cultist with a LOT of ties to people being “disappeared” and abused. He is also a RIDICULOUSLY good actor with an agent who knows how to get him the best films. So most of us try to not think about how evil he is as we cheer for Ethan Hunt or whatever.
And, for all my dislike of Apple products, they are quality (except the fucking mouse).
teslas are very much not “quality” by car standards and most of their branding is built on the cult of personality alone.
Funny that you mention the fructose as Jobs died from treating his cancer “…with a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbs, bowel cleansings, and other remedies that he found online. At one point, he even reached out to a psychic.”
At the Trader Joe’s, it used to be 20% Teslas but now it’s like 1 or 2.
Leased a tesla MS in 2017 because I knew 250mile battery was not going to be the max in 2020 and guessed 350mile was possible (i was right). Right around then Elon came out as a conspiracy twat, so I was more than happy to turn my car in when he went full right wing twat.
3 years on, I’m the proud owner of an ebike with a few thousand miles on it, created by a company not owned by a twat. My insurance is $50 a month and my uber rides fall far below anything I spent monthly on my insurance and lease payment ($1300 or so). Helps to work from home and live 5 miles from most places I need to go to or from the public transit.
Honestly, had he kept his insane ideas to himself I might still own that car or it’s newer version. I do miss it, but I just can’t support people like that. Also, 3 years on I don’t miss the car payments…
… What kind of ebike do you recommend?
Really happy with the Rad Power Plus series. reasonably priced, 1000 miles and counting on the motor and battery. They seem to be getting a little hate of late for their customer service, but I have a local shop so I don’t see these issues.
This is the way! If you really care about the environment!
Also shout-out to NotJustBikes on YouTube.
Awesome that you’ve switched to cycling, it’s crazy how expensive your insurance is though!
I just got a quote for my ebike, it’s only £60/year!
In the UK plenty of cars cost less than £300/year to insure…
Yeah, Europe and UK seem to be cheaper for those things. While I was in Rome I paid €40 for the year, but stayed 2 months. At one time we could get insurance for our petrol car at $59 a month with minimal coverage, now it’s twice that.
That $50 is not all for the bike, I added supplemental coverage to pay for US healthcare in the event of an accident. I have full theft and damage, plus a balloon policy that pays out for medical, accidental death (for2 people). I think it was $120 for just the year on just e-bike, but an accident could cause my heath insurance to not cover due to it being a vehicle in motion accident.
Funny but when I see a Tesla, I now judge the owner. Never used to care one way or another but.
They quickly took the crown of biggest douche on the road from the BMW drivers.
For Tesla, it’s a bad time for the cult of personality to fall apart as more electric car competition comes out every year.
I love my Tesla, but I don’t think my next car will be one because of Musk and what he’s done to the brand. Really disappointing that he’s put the same people who’ve coal rolled and iced chargers instead of his loyal, reservation making, early adopting FSD clients like me. I’m watching the expanding market with excitement as other companies are rolling out vehicles with nicer features and comparable pricetags than current Teslas.
This is as close as it comes to my opinion on the subject.
I have an S. 7 years, 80k miles. I like the car, I really do. Even after all this time. I still get free supercharging, which is great when I travel out of the area, which I do not infrequently.
I’m not embarrassed by it, despite Elon’s dive into Coco Puffs Crazyland. When I got it, there was nothing else like it on the market.
Selling it now would be like buying a case of Bud just so I could shoot at it. Or burning my Nikes out of spite. I paid good money and it was worth every cent.
With that being said, between Elon’s dementia and all the complaints I hear about build quality in the other mods, my next car, whenever I go buy it, won’t be a Tesla. There’s competition now and they are catching up fast…and I don’t think the Cybertruck is going to save them.
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