The United States has announced the approval of the sale of more than $7.4bn in bombs, missiles and related equipment to Israel, which has used American-made weapons to devastating effect during the war in Gaza.
The state department has signed off on the sale of $6.75bn in bombs, guidance kits and fuses, in addition to $660m in Hellfire missiles, according to the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA).
The proposed sale of the bombs “improves Israel’s capability to meet current and future threats, strengthen its homeland defense, and serves as a deterrent to regional threats”, the DSCA said in a statement.
B…b…but the Democrats are genociders so I didn’t vote or voted 3rd party to help the Palestinians.
Did I help? Did I help them? Does this help them?
While I don’t disagree, I feel like we need to talk more about how disconnected the Democratic Party is from what their base actually wants. Them being diet republicans ain’t cutting it
True. But at the same time you’re not going to get any of that by not voting and letting Republicans get elected. I mean get you butts out there and primary these centrist lead weights.
primary these centrist lead weights.
This. Right. Here.
Gee, would have been nice to have democracy a few more years to maybe try and fix it.
Fix what exactly? It isn’t that the democrats are a new party that suddenly popped into existence for the last election. They’ve been doing this shit forever.
… mmhmmm. I guess no democracy is better then. I’m convinced.
No, it isn’t. But acting as if democrats were / are willing to change and listen to the people is extremely naive. That’s the reason Bernie Sanders was never allowed to be a candidate despite being one of the most popular dems out there. There needs to be a third way / party that does better and claws out the democrats from ever being able to win.
They do hold primaries, ya know.
They let non-party-favored candidates run in the primaries just like how this kid is allowed to mow the law
Bernie Sanders WAS a presidential candidate in multiple primaries. He LOST those primaries by a HUGE MARGIN.
And then HE PROMOTED THE CANDIDATES WHO WON AND WE DIDN’T LISTEN TO HIM.
I feel like we need to talk more about how disconnected the Democratic Party is from what their base actually wants
Did you feel this need before the election too? Because a lot of people did and that is who we’re talking about here.
Democrats didn’t push for that:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev
You ate Republican propoganda.
Push for what? I didn’t mention any specific policy point
You said Democrats are lite Republicans. This is false.
I gave an example, they reigned Israel, Trump is going to take over Gaza.
It’s my opinion. I know the Republican policies towards Gaza are worse. I waited 4.5 hours in line to vote for Kamala but I am still pissed at them for not going after Bibi harder. Israel killed US citizens when they bombed clearly marked World Central Kitchen cars and the Biden administration just kept sending arms.
This attack was bonkers, WCK also fed Israelis that had to escape the war zones in the south and north.
None of the votes during this past election would have helped Palestine. That’s the point. You gotta think long term. Dems and Reps suck.
Our two party, single vote system isn’t working for the people and they want you to believe it is. Control your politicians. Don’t let them control you.
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Wow. This comment is one of the stupidest, most embarrassing comments I’ve seen on the internet. This comment is such a sad representations of ignorance and complicit brainwashing. Really dumb dumb comment right here.
Wow. This comment is one of the stupidest, most embarrassing comments I’ve seen on the internet. This comment is such a sad representations of ignorance and complicit brainwashing. Really dumb dumb comment right here.
This comment should play blindfolded on the Autobahn
Where are all the “We need to stop sending money overseas” voters? Did they win yet?
Well, they stopped sending money to Ukraine, so I guess thats part of their stance fulfilled.
And stopped enforcing the sanctions on Russia that were created by the legislature. If the executive branch does not execute the laws made by the legislature then we are not a republic. We are now a dictatorship.
Seriously, them and trumpers’ voters are awfully quiet…
This one is a sale, not a donation.
Bullshit, Israel continues to receive monetary aid from the US and the latest weapons sales includes federal subsidies. US and German taxpayers always pay for weapons destined for Israel.
The linked article defines it as a sale, do you have sources that shows otherwise?
America gives Israel free money. Israel uses that money to “buy” whichever American weapons they want. Example:
Israel says it has secured $8.7 billion U.S. aid package
This is a good overview of cost:
From Iron Dome to F-15s: US provides 70% of Israel’s war costs
The U.S. government has spent at least $22.76 billion on military aid to Israel from October 7, 2023, to September 30 of this year - (2024 in article)
My statement was regarding the current deal, both links are talking about other arm deals.
The reason US citizens don’t have health care or free higher education is a political choice. You spend more dollars per capita than any other nation, but the system is inefficient. Similar shit goes in higher education. In sane countries students don’t need to buy books, they loan them from the library. They don’t have mega stadiums in universities. Admin are nor racking in piles of gold and academic staff pay is shit. So education doesn’t costs so much.
The USA doesn’t give Israel free money, they give military aid with strings attached. Israel ‘battle test’ American products, with no danger to American soldiers. More so, the US get the fruits of Israeli R&D, such as Iron Dome, that was developed in Israel and is now manufactured in the US, giving the US army access to it. Israel also hosts American bases in the region.
As for your second link, who ever wrote it lacks understanding in global trade. The US didn’t deploy aircraft carriers to defend Israel. They deployed them to defend global trade routes from an Iranian proxy. The Houthi “blockade” didn’t cause much harm to Israel’s economy, it harmed other nations much more. This is why a coalition of different countries took part in the attack on the Houthis.
[0] “houthi blockade economic damage” in your favorite search engine and pick a source you trust. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/china-presses-iran-rein-houthi-attacks-red-sea-sources-say-2024-01-26/
The US does not need their 2.000 pound bombs battle tested on refugee camps. Especially when Ukraine could have used those weapons.
The Houthi blockade was directly related to Israel. The Houthis started blocking ships of every country complicit in the genocide.
Say do you think Israel is committing genocide by the way?
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I think the poster’s post was not about this specific instance, but about the bigger picture. If someone gives you 20 dollars in food aid and then you buy 20 dollars in oranges from them, is it a sale or is it really more of a gift just masquerading as a sale? I think that was the poster’s point, not whether the particular article refers to something actually gifted versus paid for.
Good to know it now becomes a good thing since the US is getting something out of it, great line in the sand.
US is getting something out of this anyway. Testing is very expensive, ‘battle tested’ is great is great to get your weapons sold.
Much cheaper to ship it to Israel.
Fun fact: Genocide Donald is the oldest president the United States has ever had.
Sleepy Don
Oldest elected or will be the oldest by the time his term ends? Biden is currently older but was elected at a younger age.
Orange Senile Whackjob.
The US and Israel are cartoon villains at this point.
Where’s all the idiots who wouldn’t vote “for genocide” at?
You see it was impossible to take a nuanced position and vote for the lesser of two evils.
But they can claim moral superiority, and we all know that’s what’s most important when it comes down to it.
Yup
So far the bigger evil has secured a working ceasefire and people aren’t dying to those bombs at the moment. Which is infinitely better than “genocide is ongoing”.
The ceasefire was in the works and fully implemented before the Cheeto didn’t place his hand on the Bible
Let’s not start twisting history. The ceasefire came directly after the Trump envoy. Giving any credit for it to Biden is insane cope.
It’s the ceasefire Biden’s team that nearly got accepted until Trump phoned up his pal Netanyahu to tell him not to do it until he got elected.
The ceasefire agreement was the exact same as it was in October when it was rejected. And not by Palestine. Trump sent envoys a month before the Gaza ceasefire happened. This isn’t Biden who got it.
Yeah, Biden negotiated that.
Steve Witkoff negotiated it.
How much military aid did we send to Israel under Biden? And Kamala was different from him, how? How many UN motions were vetoed by a Democrat administration to prolong the genocide? I ate shit and voted for Democrats again, but there was never anyone to vote for that wasn’t going to support the genocide of Palestinians.
Way too much
How much did Joe send every year?
It’s very exiting to chase random Jewish students on campuses and chant Genocide Joe than to apply critical thinking that may induce an headache.
It’s like Trump’s plans were secret.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev
Are you saying voters shouldn’t be shocked? I think many Christians are indifferent at best and complicit at worst. If some Muslims hadn’t sat out the election or voted Stein, would it have made a difference? It seemed like Trump was voted in by a landslide because average middle class people hate inflation and Biden was quasi-gaslighting people with CPI inflation statistics that include decreased smart TV prices and RAM costs as well as increased rent and food at similar weights that doesn’t reflect what hurts consumers most while failing to reassure the public that yes, it was a problem, and that he was trying to do something. For about 2 years there was a major problem with nothing done by Biden. He was going to get voted out and Kamela Harris, who was in power and could have galvanized some sort of policy instead of doing nothing for 2 years was going to get voted out. They failed the public in a very important way and pretended the inflation problem wasn’t bad. It upset people, even Democrats and liberals, and lost them almost all of the moderate vote.
The economy sucks globally. The US president can’t fix the inflation. People are suffering economically everywhere.
We had a pandemic, world order is breaking down with Iran China and Russia leading the charge and on top of that climate change is accelerating.
It’s going to get much, much worse very quickly, and picking Trump will make things worse. The president can’t reduce the inflation, but he can fuck things even farther.
Right, but Biden failed in his communications with people.
He said it wasn’t that bad. That wasn’t reassuring.
Even if soil problems and climate change are leading to crop reductions, and if that’s the real issue, along with increasing the money supply, telling Americans “eh, it’s not that bad everything looks fine based on the CPI” was an epic fail for a President.
His strategy may have been the best option, although that’s doubtful, as I can think of various policies that would have reassured people without altering the money supply and am familiar with classical economic theories, but he failed to make people feel like he saw their pain. It was terrible politics from Biden, who is usually great at this stuff, and he failed at this because he was never in charge before and could rely on his extreme likability while in lower offices. I’m not denying Biden’s intellect, he was tremendously smart and presumably still is, but he screwed up his messaging with the public.
Was it more important for liberals and Kamala to lose the election than stand for Palestine?
How much did Biden send to Israel?
Imagine saying that line unironically. Serious Nazi vibes here at .world.
Imagine killing over forty thousand vs under two thousand and calling people who opposed the slaughter of thousands of women and babies Nazis? Go to hell.
They didn’t want to participate in warcrimes.
Where are all the fascists that are crying about less government and keeping our money in the US and only for the US?
Wasn’t that the whole argument of dismantling USAID?
Answer: Republicans are full of shit and so are Musk, Donald, Vance and all the rest.
When will DOGE cut this spending?
I’m sorry people of Gaza, this is really evil and as a US person who has paid taxes, I’m a part of it. I wish I could stop it but am poor, I’m not sure protesting would work. I feel helpless and also responsible. This is no different than when everyone looked the other way and refused to take Jewish people during WWII. I am sorry for not realizing what this was sooner and disbelieving the severity and evilness of it at first. :-( There’s really no way for me to opt out of this unless I leave the US, become like Henry David Thoreau and just don’t participate in society, which may mean death for me, or actually just choose to die so I no longer have to be part of a disgusting and evil society. The regular people of Gaza aren’t part of this war and war crimes are being committed. It probably means nothing but I’m so so sorry.
Don’t worry fellow US citizen. God will do something I’m sure. Any day now God will help those in need. Any… Day now.
I get your sarcasm, but what should I be doing as a poor US citizen?
-Writing letters? (Unlikely to persuade people because opinions are divided on humanitarian versus hard-core Christian theologian views. I would need to remotely deprogram elected officials for this to work.)
-Holding signs to protest? (Unlikely to persuade for the same reasons.)
-Sending lengthy theological arguments to right-wing types? (I could try it. It would be strange coming from an atheist but I could try? It would be more effective than trying to deprogram them.)
-Donations? (I looked at some organizations helping Gaza and many of their leaders make substantially more than me per year and I’m dealing with financial hardship. It’s hard for me to donate to an organization with leaders who have high salaries while I struggle with bills, but maybe that’s a bad excuse. Maybe some leaders with high salaries donate to their own organization, but if so it wasn’t listed.)
-Direct donations? (I should probably do this, and I’m not sure how to do this.)
Please, tell me the appropriate response for a poor person, even if it’s anything other than nothing. I just feel like nothing I do will be effective.
Are they going to send back eggs?
The ceasefire has been in effect since January 19. Gazans have been returning to their rubble. There have been prisoner swaps and hostage releases.
So, for context, this is an improvement. Selling arms that aren’t actively being used is a whole lot better than when they are.
Again: not directly funding an ongoing genocide was not a major hurdle nor the big ask it was made out to be.
A ongoing and lasting ceasefire is an extreme gamechanger on Israel policy.
Are you fucking for real? You are trying to spin this as positive? Y’all are delusional.
I am indeed making the delusionally brave stance of spinning a seemingly lasting ceasefire as a positive.
…seemingly lasting ceasefire…
Oh, my sweet summer child…
It is by no means an end to the conflict nor is there a solution. However it is, in fact, a ceasefire that has lasted longer than any other since October 7th.
What are you believing in exactly? You literally think Netanyahu is going to stop after this sale?
No. My belief is that a ceasefire is a better condition than no ceasefire.
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axis of evil and has been. you vote democrat, you vote republican, you vote for genocide. simple as.
Yeah, because all things are equal. At least to simpletons.
But you do realize that trump is much much much much worse, right? It’s not just about the genocide, you know.
These people have enough privilege that they know they won’t be put in the camps first. And they probably think they never will. So it’s no risk to them.
Worse how? In terms of for Palestine. They were always screwed no matter what. It seems to me that Trump is pretty much identical to Biden in terms of supporting Palestine, except he’s an idiot and says the quiet part out loud while Biden just recited Zionist talking points.
I literally said “it’s not just about the genocide.” Palestine isn’t the only thing going on in the world, and there are millions of people who are being affected right here in the US because of trump’s fascist behavior.
I’m sorry about Palestine, and if there was a candidate who vowed to stop feeding Israel money & weapons, I’d vote for them. But I’m not a single issue voter, because I’m not a fucking moron. I can’t turn my back on transsexuals in America, or Latin American refugees, or immigrants in the US, or low-income people, the mentally ill, the elderly, non-Christians, gays, the sick, or pregnant women in America. I can’t ignore climate change. I can’t ignore the possibility of another pandemic. The US public education system is in danger. Environmental protections are in danger. Countless other public health & safety programs are in danger. Ukrainians are in danger. All because of trump.
I’m supposed to not vote for a candidate who supports genocide, when both candidates support it, but one of the two also threatens everything else, plus so much more?
The way our political system works is if you don’t vote for one it practically counts as a vote for the other-so refusing to vote is also supporting genocide.
Like other people have said- it’s a real life trolly problem. The people are already tied to the tracks, and all I can do is pull a lever. There is no avoiding it.
I hate the genocide. I support Palestine. I believe that between the two candidates, at least there was a sliver of a chance that they would stop the genocide under a Democratic presidency. Under a Republican presidency, there is less than zero chance. In addition to all I’ve listed above, and more.
In terms of Palestine maybe it’s a wash. But at least the Dems have a handful of party members who want to stop helping Israel. But my child right here in the US is in danger now because of trump. Billions of children’s futures are in danger because of trump.
Yeah it sucks for all of us that have like morals and ethics and crap. Like I said, I ate shit and voted for Democrats like I’ve done for my entire life. I did not and would never vote for a republican and I’m not encouraging anyone to. What I’m saying is that our politics is like making a choice between cutting your dick off or getting your eye poked out. There is no good option.
I feel deeply for people who have children, you probably shouldn’t have done that.
i don’t think he’s much much much much worse, that’s too many muchs- maaaybe much much worse- and that’s neither here or there… genocide IS a reasonable red line and you can’t gaslight me off my solid footing in that regard.
Think the Democrats would build Gaza a Lago?
No, they’d just quietly fund the Israeli plan for the same result.
Hey they would at least condemned Israel’s actions
Excuse me while I go cry in the corner about how fucked we are
It ain’t over, just another chapter in the long struggle for freedom.
Do you know which politician has taken the most money from Israel? I think that he was happy to support their genocide, and his vice president was no different.
Trump is absolutely a nightmare but trying to pretend that Democrats weren’t also a nightmare on this issue is ridiculous. The halls of Congress are full of Israeli flags. There is no voting to help. Palestinians meaningfully possible.
This is down voted for some reason but it’s literally true. No matter who you voted for no matter whether you voted or not you voted for genocide in this election. Pure facts.
