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    And who put lead in the gas? Cars aren’t that simple anymore anyways.

    Which generation can’t let go of power?

    Nah. I call bullshit.

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    Taking away the instructions on how to service and repair a car was a result of capitalists wanting to make more money by forcing you to get your car repaired by them.

    Adding instructions not to drink battery acid is likely for companies to avoid getting sued because people will always argue that there was no warning about drinking battery acid so the company owes you compensation.

    This is a false comparison.

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      Also helps them get away with hiding shoddy/cheap parts.

      ~2018-2020 Hondas have defective air condensers. They aren’t rated for the refrigerant. They are basically guaranteed to fail. You also have to go to a dealership to get your AC serviced. There’s a warranty for the AC, but it’s that dealer that checks whether your AC meets the warranty or not (amazing how easy it is to find bits of debris and deny the warranty when no third party can double check.)

      You could crack open an original Xbox and do a lot of modifications with it. The Xbox 360 was designed to be as annoying to take apart as possible, possibly to hide the cheap components that lead to the red ring of death…

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      I mean I do agree with you. Planned obsolescence and whatnot is very real.

      But also, fixing a car from 70’s is very different than trying to fix a car from this millenium.

      As technology improves and becomes more detailed, it might also get harder to repair. This isn’t to be taken as a defense of companies which have used planned obsolescence. But even if there was a very user friendly car company, I think it would be more complex to adjust your valves today than it was 30-40 years ago.

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    Old cars could actually have their stuff adjusted, though. You’d have to tinker with the carburator if the weather was significantly colder/hotter, etc. to get it to run properly.

    Even cars in the 90s started getting too complex - electronic fuel injection, variable valve timing, and more. There’s no need to adjust the valves because the computer does it, and better than you could.

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      I wouldn’t say the computer adjusts the valves, variable valve timing serves a completely different function than an old fashioned valve adjustment.

      It’s true that most lifters are hydraulic nowadays, and self-adjust by filling with oil. So your point still stands, it’s just mechanical, not computer controlled.

      My 2017 Honda V6 does require valve adjustments, but I doubt many people actually do it themselves though. And most people probably don’t have it done at all.

      (I’m a hobbyist, not a mechanic, so anyone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong)

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    Sometime, you grab the manual of some old piece of junk, there’s all the electronic schematics, parts list, all adjustable things that should never face end user, etc. described in it.

    Now, it’s just “push button. if led not go vroom vroom, call support”.

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      Great point. Think of how incredible it would be if you could go on line and get manuals to fix any part of anything you own from a PS5 to a Refrigerator, to a Rivan Truck including all the protocols, chip sets, ect… Or just explore them to see how things work, I’m sure a lot of great inventions and ideas came about from people tinkering with and exploring manuals like these. Anymore these are considered “top secret” and you have to reverse engineer anything to figure out how it works. I think this speaks more to the fact that the things you “buy” these days aren’t really considered yours. You are borrowing the IP to use for a fee and if it breaks, tough shit. Throw it out and get a new one.

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          Ah cool, I have used them in the past for laptops and my switch, but I didn’t realize they also cover appliances and a bunch of other categories.

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          As someone who repaired laptops for many years, ifixit is awesome and was the first stop for every laptop we got.

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    I’d make a “print a pdf” joke, but honestly, that’s already an unnecessary “skill”.

    Sadly, technology has moved towards single finger usability and thrown out features in the process. Printing a PDF is now easy, because there’s a big button (that sells you a cloud subscription for some reason), but it’s also the only thing the app does.

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        That comes out of the box with current versions of Windows. The era of Bullzip PDF Printer is gone.

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          Yet its still a surprise to many. But I suppose that’s a knowledge gap not a skill issue. Now getting younger folks these day to follow a file directory, that’s a true challenge.

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      PDFs are designed to be printed, that’s why they’re formatted as pages instead of continuous text like HTML. “Portable Document Format”. Unless I’m missing some reference you’re making here.

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        The joke to counter “you can’t even write cursive” and other boomer bs is “well at least I know how to print a PDF”, alluding to the abysmal tech intuition of some boomers, usually those in controlling roles like managers or CEOs.

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    Ah yes, when basically the only electronics in a car were the head and tail lights. I can assemble and disassemble a Willy jeep or VW Beatle by just looking at it and going with the flow, I have no fucking clue how to disassemble a modern car’s door panel without breaking anything.

    But if we’re comparing us to boomers, let’s see who’s better at building a simple web scraping tool in python which runs on a raspi without any knowledge of python, Linux, AI and how to setup a raspberry pi. It took me a day to figure out.

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      That’s the thing that hasn’t changed: Some folks have a DIY attitude/initiative and others have a defeatist mentality.

      I have no doubt that if you took someone from 50 years ago who could disassemble their car’s engine and put it back together again and raised them up in today’s environment they’d be the ones learning Python and how to fool around with Linux.

      Maybe amateur radio folks (from 50 years ago) would be more appropriate for the analogy but you get the idea. Smarts and ignorance are orthogonal concepts.

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        Yeah, whatever we do differently now is because of new knowledge. Not because we’re smarter. It’s so annoying when conspiracy idiots say “how was this ancient primitive civilization able to build a pyramid, it must have been aliens” while the people back then were just as smart as we are now, but with less knowledge and technological advancements then we have today.

        My previous comment is what I usually say to boomers who claim “the new generation is so dumb, they can’t even use a rotary phone anymore” or anything like that. Yeah grandpa, because we have smartphones now. In ancient Rome they built massive aquaducts, I’d like to see you try building one, with a chisel, which still stands over 3000 years later. You’re so dumb, you don’t even know how to do that while ancient Romans built them all across Europe.

        It’s just grumpy old farts who are stuck in their midlife and now feel left behind and so much smarter and better than younger people while in reality being so extremity stubborn and ignorant.

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    Stupid people always existed. The difference is now they have TikTok and twitter, so we can see their stupidity more.

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    Arrogantly calling out the intelligence claims of others works better if you know when and how to use punctuation.