Mainstream politicians express alarm while lead candidate in Saxony-Anhalt welcomes congratulations from Elon Musk
Mainstream politicians around Europe have expressed alarm after the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) swept to a historic state election victory in Germany, while nationalist figures cheered the result as a mandate for change.
While falling just short of an absolute majority, the AfD surged into first place in the Saxony-Anhalt state election on Sunday, exit polls showed, putting the far right within reach of power at the state level for the first time since the second world war.
Strangely quiet from all those who are pissing on the US “YOU GUYS DO SOMETHING”, yeah?
Well, here’s your chance, for the ones of those who are like the above but who are in Germany: DO SOMETHING NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN. OR at least shut the fuck up about the US and our struggles to overcome fascism.
(I’m venting about those specific assholes, not Germans struggling to fight against this rightwing surge, I hope that’s clear)
The bigger they get, the harder they will be to remove until it’s too late. All the deadlock over the last few years about whether they should or shouldn’t ban them has allowed them to balloon to this size. The best time for action was yesterday, the second best is today. Don’t let the Nazis take over again.
You can ban the group, but you can’t ban the ideas or support that led to it.
The other parties need to take an honest look at themselves and ask why people would support a party like that over themselves.
This x1000. Instead of taking a step back and trying to figure out how they lost to an orange cheeto, the dems in the U.S. decided to blame everyone except themselves.
Maybe the other parties in Germany should think about how they could lose to a nazi party, and make adjustments.
So it goes…
Aye, I’ve fought those assholes on Lemmy. They are a poison to us all.
We’re in this together, all of us. Every citizen in this world. The fascists must be defeated.
“Fought”, lol
It’s a long line of ‘you should just protest/vote harder’ countries, unfortunately
I’m so tired
Same, my friend, same.
You have to understand the brief history of Germany since the WWII to grasp the full picture. In a nutshell, once East and West Germany were formed, that locked people in to essentially different systems. Once the wall fell, Germany was reunited. However, the East vs West dynamic in terms of poverty and voting, the West is largely paid more and has is liberal leaning, while the east side of Germany is still quite impoverish, so they vote for the AfD because they seem to be telling the people what they want to hear.
It’s essentially very similar to how the US is blue vs red. Cites are blue, while the rural parts are red. Germany is blue on the west, and red on the east due to Germany splitting and reunifying.
It’s essentially very similar to how the US is blue vs red
Also similar to how the Union and the Confederacy split and reformed and those problems never got fixed because we didn’t hold anyone accountable and didn’t invest in improving the lives of average citizens.
Yeah the last years I always thought it is just a matter of time until far right gets majorities in Germany/all over Europe as well.
Greetings from germany
American reading a global News story: “how can I make this about me, while also justifying my inaction?”
Now watch as “liberals” continue to do nothing to stop the fascist propaganda machines causing the spread of the mental illness, because they are bankrolled by the fascists in the corporate economic elite.
They’ll also continue sowing the seeds of fascism by colluding with the elite to extract wealth from the population. Buckle up. All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.
The Weimar Republic did the same god damn thing.
As usual, the conservatives are given a pass and then liberals assigned all the blame.
This place is absolute fucking joke.
Sometimes I think it must be a psyops by the billionaires to divide and demoralize the left. Then I remember some people are just so dumb.
you seriously think liberals are part of left? lol.
QED
It’s their go to.
Like yeah, milquetoast policies ultimately lead us here but they have more fury for the people doing moderately OK but ultimately unsatisfactory things than the people actually going hog wild, robbing everyone blind, instituting fascism, etc.
because liberals are the prime reason of fascists rise in power. They pretend to be good while oiling the fascist machine
“There has never been and will ever be anything int he Western Hemisphere more dangerous than a White liberal” - Malcolm X
He would have been more correct if he talked of EVERY liberal.
You can stop worrying about nuclear weapons as the most destructive thing on the planet today , because we ALL know itll be the moderates snd liberals who will be pressing the very buttons to launch all the nuikes lol.
Liberals are fascist collaborators and work on behalf of the elites. The sooner liberals are gone the faster we can fix these issues. Conservatives are just plain evil.
Good luck getting more than 5 percent of the votes. 👍 We’ll talk then
You must not be from the US then. It’s already happening here. Many progressive candidates are either beating the liberals or nearly beating them. I expect that to keep happening too. I was a lifelong liberal voter and even voted for Kamala in '24, but I won’t make that mistake again. Liberals do not have the best interests of the working class in mind and they’ve made that crystal clear. Hell, they don’t even have the best interests of human life in mind.
"Now, there’s one thing you might have noticed I don’t complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It’s what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain’t going to do any good; you’re just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it’s not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here… like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There’s a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. Fck Hope. Because if it is really just the fault of the politicians then where are all the other bright people of conscience? Where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans ready to step in and save the nation and lead the way? We don’t have people like that in this country. Everybody’s at the mall, scratchin’ his ass, pickin’ his nose, takin’ his credit card out of his fanny pack and buyin’ a pair of sneakers with lights in them. So, I have solved this little political dilemma for myself in a very simple way. On Election Day, I stay home. I don’t vote. Fck ’em! Fck ’em! I don’t vote. Two reasons. Two reasons I don’t vote. First of all, it’s meaningless. This country was bought and sold and paid for a long time ago. This shit they shuffle around every four years? Pfft! Pfft! It doesn’t mean a fcking thing. And secondly, I don’t vote because I believe if you vote you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around, I know. They say, ‘Well, if you don’t vote you have no right to complain.’ But where’s the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up, well, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem. You voted them in. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand…who did not vote…who did not vote…who, in fact, did not even leave the house on Election Day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain as loud as I want about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with. So, I know that a little later on this year you’re gunna have another one of those really swell presidential elections that you like so much [Bill Clinton v. Bob Dole]. You enjoy yourselves; it’ll be a lot of fun. I’m sure as soon as the election is over your country will improve immediately. As for me, I’ll be home on that day, doing essentially the same thing as you. The only difference is, when I get finished jerking it, I’m gunna have a little something to show for it, folks.” – George Carlin
If youve been voting in assholes agains and again and again amd again for decades and decades and decades… then …maybe voting is useless and you need to resort to more ‘direct’ forms of interventions when you want to see things change in your community …
But either the Democrats need to be taken over completely, MAGA style or lose so much that another party takes their spot in the two party system. Which is difficult.
These monolithic blocks exist because they are not constantly under attack in that system.
As liberals and conservatives make life worse for the working class they’ll start to realize both of those options are bad. Unfortunately many will have to suffer before they come to that conclusion.
That’s the point, that a lot would have to happen
Now watch as “liberals” continue to do nothing
This comment is so ignorant about the reality it hurts.
There are many actual legal actions taken against AfD and AfD members already, including a period of time where AfD was not allowed to receive briefings regarding national security, something that is a right for all members of the Bundestag.Personally I’m sad they didn’t get a majority, because that’s probably the best cure, people need to see how damaging their policies are, and how stupid they really are. AfD is a protest party, people vote for because they are unhappy with the current situation. Caused by Covid, Ukraine War, Russian energy sanctions against EU before the Ukraine war that was very damaging to German industries, and now Eu sanctions against Russia that have similar effect. Followed by the damage on energy supplies like wood pellets from the Ukraine war, and on top of all that Trumps ridiculous tariffs and the effects of the Iran war.
This is at the same time we have increased competition from China.Europe has been in a perfect storm for nearly a decade now caused by outside forces. Except of course Brexit can be argued to not be outside when that happened. And although Brexit was far worse for UK, it was also damaging to EU.
AfD is by far the strongest in the old Communist Eastern Germany, because despite massive support from the old Western Germany they feel cheated, and some accuse the politicians of privatizing only to the advantage of West Germany. They simply refuse to realize how far behind they were economically at the time.
On top of all the above Putin has made a massive effort of misinformation in Germany, to promote the extreme right, and dissatisfaction. Despite we are actually doing pretty well in EU considering the circumstances this past decade.
Personally I’m sad they didn’t get a majority, because that’s probably the best cure, people need to see how damaging their policies are, and how stupid they really are.
Be careful what you wish for. That’s the attitude America had that earned us another run of the Orange pedo.
It was also the attitude of Weimar Germany towards the Nazi party.
That’s the attitude America had
No it’s not, Trump was a proven malignant narcissist. AfD is not a person, but a political party, as soon as such people have to agree on things to make real policies, they tend to crumble.
The US situation is very very different, and is based in a society that has become more sociopathic over many decades. The role has as President of USA has no equal in Germany, nobody is granted that much power in Germany. Trump with his extreme narcissism would be very unlikely to be able to function in German politics.
Legal actions are the anti-solution. Making people feel that they don’t need the afd because other parties are meeting their needs is the real solution.
You just earned yourself a “NeolibSimp” label.
Then you are absolutely reading my comment wrong.
By your own standard you should have a degrading label too.
Lot of you loser have been chomping at the bit to point the finger back at other, Germany had one state flip not the nation as a whole, and not the eu as a whole either, no in any way the same as americas failure at all.
Can you explain what you mean by liberals in this case?
It’s an overloaded term that means very different things when used by different people in different contexts
It’s the “christians” or the Zentrum Party back then. We don’t have “liberals”.
The center right betrayed the German people back then and right now. Learn the history before writing BS.
Funny, Channel 5 just re-released a video about the far right in Germany, which mentioned the exact province of Saxony Anhalt, and how there was an outcry against immigrants there even though the population of immigrants in that part of Germany is extremely low
Thank the corrupt and elitist fucks of CxU and SPD for a couple of decades of cutting access to education and ignoring the problems of those under their rule. And fuck you, Frotze, in particular!
The history of humanity is slow walking into disaster, consistently and unceasingly.
Remember that Simpsons episode where homer kept walking into the rake over and over and over? Ya thats us
A little black for the pots that call the kettles in the US black. See guys, were all infested with fascists on the inside.
Bro thinks one state in one country of the union is the same as you idiot voting Donald in twice, your a fool.
I didn’t vote for Trump once. If you think it’s just East Germany that’s your problem, you’re in for a rude awakening. Your fascists are the same as the US fascists, just as dumb and the same propensity for violence.
Strap in friend, liberalism is dying in the western world and there isn’t a think you or I can do.
I’m Canadian, we booted ours out immediately once he made it clear he was in league with Donald.
Might want to turn your eyes to Alberta then. Lucky for you your right-wing freaks were pushed back under a rock when Trump 2.0 started. They won’t stay quiet for long. As Canada deteriorates they’ll climb back out.
You mean the province that consistently votes 75% to say in Canada, yah keep talking out your ass.
Bro, y’all have a fascist problem too. Carney probably wouldn’t have won if Trump didn’t threaten annexation. You’d have PP the Trump admirer.
I’m not trying to talk shit here. Be wary of the fascists within your own border too.
It happen as soon as Donald won and opened his big mouth, no shit everyone swapped, especially once pp started panicking and choking in the poles,the swing happen.
don’t tell my the history of event of my own country dumbass, I know it better then you
You losers are just desprate to point fingers at others who were actually able to deal with these problems to make yourselves feal better, it’s pathetic and the exact reason why nobody outside the US likes Americans.
Did Elon touch the voting system?
They need to investigate this yesterday. I believe Musk meddles big time
No way humanity is actually that bad
I mean yes yes we are. This time period we have been is is the anomaly if talking span of time.
Humanity, it seems, is doomed to repeat this cycle until we’ve destroyed the earth and ourselves.
The good news is last time this happened they warned this time would result in next time being fought with sticks and stones
What? You think nazi-ass USA is going to nuke them? This time they’ll be supporting them…
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”- Albert Einstein
I was referencing this quote, not the US nuking anyone.
Ahhh that makes a lot more sense!
but who says that the ukranians and the germans, polish, italians, romanians wont launch ANOTHHER invasion of Russia and the other Slavic cointries? That can definitely eventually happen. Russia has many nukes right?
All those former stated countries are taking a turn towards the right… And by right I mean Russophobic right, not necessarily ‘anti-Dark-Skinmed-Peoples’ right©®™
I’m not talking about nuking any countries, i’m talking about the AI race destroying the world, because in my opinion that’s likely the great filter that will kill off humanity
…you see AI as a bigger threat to humanity than … nuclear weapons?!..
In a different dynamic yeah. Please read the Einstein quote again, think of the context in which he said it.
We are sooooo going extinct. I honestly give humans 2 generations left.
Probably the same patterns the book Democracy in Chains discusses. The same history since the first hoarding and the power/wealth inequalities that came with it. The wealth pays for the armies and to protect the wealthy. Those with the money and power win and write the rules and history. The systems say, “believe us we know what’s right”. The problems are caused by the wealth inequality, but blamed on minorities and changing too fast can’t deal with it, and only they have the solution, so dig in deeper and accept these new rules on free speech and protests against the ruler. Usa has the nazi ice abduct, abuse and put people in concentration camps that make the wealthy owners even richer, just like happened in olden days, already forgot, or some want to repeat it.
Owners get richer,
The more people they put in,
Concentration camps
Who wants to solve this issue?
Who’s willing to become the “actually leftist” politician in an age, where they’re being both hunted down by neo-nazis, tankies, and being likened to the very liberals (and sometimes conservatives), who got this mess onto our heads?
well the ‘actuallt leftist’ people of Germanty need to rise up and make an actual Marxist - Leninist Party. This applies to all other people of the global north too. Just laying down and accepting this wont do.
If the average Germans wants to plunge themselves back into WWIII and apocalypse ? Them thats their problem. scientific socialism and the material conditions of the German people will determine what the future of Germant and even future of Eurasia looks like for the next coming decades…
The “Marxist-Leninist” shit is why we’re in this fucking mess. That’s why people equate communism with crackpot dictators.
…Im just happy that germany will be the cause of all three world wars! 😂🤣😏
if you think there is going to be a third world war let me tell you something; it already started.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was step 1. trump destroying America, which again is Russia, step 2. all of the bullshit the US (aka Russia because trump is a Russian asset) is step 2. really we are just waiting for the US or china to start an even bigger conflict.
Russia might be good at general shithousery and political warfare but I feel this just feeds their mythos. America did Trump to itself to a large extent, certainly by voting him in after the man attempted a literal coup.
Lol China never does anything except sell weapons to BOTH sides of a conflict. Lol I would be surprised if they did anything to start any conflict seeing as how the world looks today…
Thoughj the world will change DRASTICALLY in the next 50-200 years due to climate change, which will deeply effect parts pf southern China so… Things may changes eventually …
Hat trick baby!
On the brighter side now the world can hate the US AND Germany.
And Britain
And France
And Italy
And almost everywhere
Fascism is on the fucking rise everywhere
Because people are not happy with what we have and want to try something different. Is it smart or right no. But the current system isn’t working for the people so the people want something different. I mean it is understandable they see nothing improving for them and getting worse and we have at least more of the world more left. So people well swing the other way.
My guess is the AFD will try to install similar systems as orban did in Hungary. Once AFD functionaries can get their hands on might and government money they will try to tuck as much as possible into their pockets. They talk about patriotism but only act in their own self-interest. They dont even have real plans or visions on how to improve their voters live and are not able to give real substantial answers to journalists questions. But this doesn’t matter to a lot of voters because they are either too frustrated by their own lives or the corrupt shit other political parties did or just brain rotted from tik tok. The AFD talking about patriotism makes them feel good and so they can neglect the fact that the AFD will make their live even worse and they can also neglect that the AFD will do ten times the corrupt shit the “mainstream” parties did. It’s like a drug making you feel good even while facing doom.
Germany took a look at the absolute SHITHOLE the US has become and truly said yeah I’ll have what they’re having. Are you guys fucking stupid???
I’d be checking to make sure everything was legal and that gross parasite Muskrat didn’t have his lackeys fuck with your system, that’s for sure
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Sadly I spoke with people and they still think they are offered a solution with afd
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and every far right movement has protected apitalism and capitalists in all forms it ever takes.
Heck, the comoany thatt make Dr. oetcker food is guilty of aiding the nazis and NOBODY from that company was punished!?! Same thing with ford the american car manufacuring company!?
…Why?
