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Fuck reddit. I hope that site dies soon and we can go back to not having everything locked inside a single site.
ruin Reddit
everyone leaves
Why is our stock down? :(
Waiting for the lawsuits to claim users leaving is illegal.
Reddit is a shit show… can I say that!?
I got banned and I see weird posts and replies that is obviously Ai slop.
My friend and I got shadow banned. We have no idea why!?
It used to be good… the future is not reddit.
Ps: I apologize for farting while typing this comment.
They made it so you can’t even browse the site without signing up. They’re idiots. Fucking morons.
It’s probably because they shadowbanned most of their users
Fo sho. It’s weird as fuck to realize someone you’re trying to help out with some problem never replied because they can’t see your messages. I was the mod of a sub. I had people message me asking why posts/comments were deleted or still up but not there if they logged out, and I couldn’t even find them.
I started asking for screenshots and they were posted on the sub from the user’s point of view, but whether they said they were deleted by moderators or seemed like a shadow ban even the sub mods couldn’t even see the damn things. There were no restrictions on our end on the users. Reddit admin was just deciding some people should be randomly shadow banned in only some subs. Or only some posts they made.
I tested a new account I made using a VPN and had the same issue. Some comments I made in a few big subs like /r/law showed up for all accounts and logged out, but some only showed up when looking as that user. Seemingly random selective shadow banning of only some comments that had to be being done by AI.
Could also be they’re flagging certain browser privacy configurations as signs that a user is a bot.
I actually installed a few different browsers and tried to make sure I was keeping the same accounts to the same fingerprints and IP or VPN history as much as I could. It could be two comments I posted with in minutes in the same sub on the same account, one visible to everyone and the other in shadowban land. It was super weird.
The fact that I’ve been a Reddit user for 17 years and I’m reading this on Lemmy says a lot about what Reddit has become.
I got permabanned for saying something bad about Elon and now I’m here. Don’t really miss reddit much. In a way they did me a favor.
I was a reddit user for 15+ years… I got perma banned a bit ago. Part of me misses it. But… Whatever.
I got perma banned after Roe v Wade for criticizing the security theater surrounding SCOTUS. My account was primarily D&D homebrew. I can’t even go back to delete my posts…
Oh ya, rant time.
I was a Reddit user since 2006. It was my place to be. Endless posts on everything, every niche hobby you can think of, global and often even local news, learning about cool new things… I loved it. It was always crazy to me to decide to read a news paper and find that pretty much everything in it I’d already knew from Reddit, often finding out days or weeks earlier.
It started out an amazing place, it really did seem like a global town square where we could all get together and talk about everything and anything. But like all the cool online and tech companies the focus became more and more on money, which meant controlling what people say and see and harvesting as much data as possible from them. Large companies need income, and if you aren’t the one paying then you always end up the product. So they started pushing more and more ads and fake posts and instead of being controlled by the people it became controlled by whoever throw the most money at any and every topic. Since going public they’ve ramped up the user fucking big time.
Trying to force mobile users to use their app so they can harvest more data? It’s a fucking website. The program you use to look at websites is a web browser. Having 1,000 apps on a phone that are virtually all to use websites is not ease of use, or user friendly, or sane. They seem to have toned this down due to backlash, but for a while you literally weren’t allowed to browse Reddit using mobile mode. If you tried it had a popup telling you to get the app and that was all. But if you switched the same browser window on the same device to desktop mode everything worked just fine. That’s nothing but saying “fuck you” so your user base.
Getting rid of /r/all so that everything everyone sees on their home page is controlled entirely by the algorithms instead of having any potential of it by being what was most interesting or talked about (even though the insane amount of bot up/down votes and comments was already wrecking that? Fuck you. I’ve seen people say you can still see /r/all if you use old reddit… but it’s fake. It’s not actually /r/all as it used to be. When you can click through a handful of pages and get told that there’s nothing else that’s very definitely not “all.” As a formerly socially awkward fat kid I’m certain I’ve gone hundreds of pages of deep before.
For years we had genuine news reports on different groups and companies using giant cell phone farms to spam up/down votes on the posts they’re paid to boost or kill off and actually paying rooms of people to work to control the public opinion/narrative on their product/company/political party/country/etc. Shilling went from mostly a conspiracy to something warping everything on the place.
AI has only made it worse since along with corporate/govt approved or disliked posts notably having thousands of up/down votes with only a handful of comments they can now spam comments as well. Humans are a social species. There is always pressure to fit in. When we see that pretty much everyone is saying a certain thing or has a certain opinion we’re far more likely to decide the same.
If someone makes a post saying “Israel killing tons of kids seems bad” it can be well thought out and link tons of evidence, but if it quickly has several comments about Israel having the right to defend itself and the constant child murder being fake news propaganda and antisemitism and making fun of the OP then the people who open it and check the comments will be more inclined to feel that way.
A post on “It’s crazy that the US did all this awful stuff to Iran” with lots of links to blowing up lots of little girls in school and sending a delayed second hit so anyone trying to help them dies too, actively causing a shortage of USD there to destroy the value of their currency and push people to protest, etc, and it quickly has many replies are all calling the OP a conspiracy nut and saying the US was trying to bring justice and freedom 'cause the evil Iranian leaders killed 100 million protestors… then most people who read glancingly without checking and considering all the evidence (most people) and who don’t have strong opinions on the matter already will be likely to jump in making fun of OP for supporting middle eastern governments 'cause they’re all terrorists.
It’s something pretty much all big companies and governments do now. They nearly all have large ‘social media’ or ‘PR’ departments that focus on controlling the public opinion on topics. For a lot of companies it started out as customer service, helping people out and trying to convince the public they’re awesome by doing cool shit. But it warped over time into more like just trying to convince everyone that shitty things about them don’t really exist. Loads of subs main mods or full mod teams are employees, and in a lot of places dissent and complaints are quickly deleted.
And finally… the site-wide AI powered “moderation.” Posts/comments can be near instantly automatically deleted and the user banned for a while for pretty much anything. It’s not something the sub mods can control or do anything about even though the threshold for causing it changes based on the sub and the topic. You can be auto deleted and banned for posting a dark joke in a sub dedicated to doing that. You can spend a month talking about guillotines everywhere with no issues, but be deleted and banned for simply using the word in a post about US politics. Saying that you hope people in the US are exercising their 2nd amendment rights so they can defend themselves if the worst happens or suggesting capital punishment for federal agents who murder innocent civilians is “threatening violence.”
Reddit is no longer a social platform for people to communicate with each other. That Reddit died a long, slow death, but it’s gone now. Reddit today exists to collect user data, train AI, sell products, and control public opinion and narratives, and it does that by selling out every topic to the highest bidder.
Sadly most people keep using it instead of coming here because it’s what they know and they miss what it was. I miss the days when I could browse endless new things just refreshing /r/all there too. It sucks that Lemmy moves so much slower, and the decentralized concept does make it more work to use and more difficult to navigate. But Reddit moves way slower now too. If you try to use their default “home” feed or the new /r/all you typically see mostly the same shit all day. Instead of constantly fresh it’s always stale. Hopefully more people notice that and get tired of the bullshit, and we can make Lemmy the new place where conversation is always fresh and there’s a home for every niche you can think of.
Ya, I ditched when the api thing went down. Coming to lemmy was a breath of fresh air tho. I hadn’t realized just how much capitalism had creeped into reddit.
I still need to learn how to post to and find communities that exist on other instances and such… 6 months into using it. I’ve hit the age where things that are new and different are scary and bad, which is super lame for a huge computer nerd.
On the auto banning thing, the last time I posted there I got banned because I was arguing that Rorschach from watchmen isn’t actually a good guy because he’s racist and homophobic. that the movies just cut that all out to make him more likeable and to flatten the morality of the story.
To make my point I put a few Rorschach quotes down. I got banned for the language that Rorschach used. It wasn’t even slurs, it was just him blaming the decay of the city on “the backs, commies, and gays” basically.
This is the inherent problem with censorship. It actually does very little too protect anyone vulnerable, but does very much to protect against talking about those who are racist or homophobic or what have you.
Auto mod basically white washed Rorschach.
Yup. My last autoban that made me give up on the place after trying to come back to it lat year was in the WizardPosting sub. I decided to post as a necromancer and encourage everyone to convert the people they come across into handy undead slaves or something and was instantly banned for encouraging violence. I just said fuck it and deleted my account. When you’re not allowed to tell a dumb joke the AI decides it doesn’t like in a dumb joke sub then there’s not much point in me being there.
Reddit today exists to collect user data, train AI, sell products, and control public opinion and narratives, and it does that by selling out every topic to the highest bidder.
As a fellow sub 2010’s redditor also, fuck man I miss the ol’ times. But fuck reddit and what it stands for today. I cannot deal with the constant banning of accounts for engaging in a topic. Can’t stand that shit anymore.
If you tried to post a lot it became kind of clear that there was generally a pattern in the things they decided to ban people for.
I try not to be all conspiracy theory, but sometimes it seems like the super rich who own all the media and governments and judges and routinely break all the laws with no punishment also try their best to make everyone feel like even saying maybe we should band together and do something about that is being an evil violent terrorist.
Yep. Pretty much.
It’s a Three-Card-Monte trick. At least that’s the best way I can describe it. One account presents an idea or rebuttal. All the stooge accounts reply in support of it.
The marks (the real human beings) are gaslit into thinking they’re crazy for not buying into the game.
It’s trickier than that too. I’m sure. They don’t all dog pile with the same narrative. Some will have an “okay, but” that generally agrees with the premise but isn’t too suspiciously on the nose.
We’re social creatures. Not being accepted as part of the group is some evolutionary terror we’re not even usually conscious of, but if you open a post, read, and agree with it but then see tons of replies laughing and making fun of the OP and calling them an idiot and a conspiracy theorist it’s suddenly going to be way harder for you to voice that agreement. It’s way easier to join the group pointing and laughing to try to fit in with the crowd or to just stay silent than it is to join up with someone being publicly mocked.
The one step further that I didn’t see - the getting rid of /all and use of the algorithm to direct you to what they want you to see also offers the opportunity to direct you to what’s most profitable, and also to what suits Reddit’s owner’s narrative.
It’s in there, you probably just forgot by the time you got to the end of the book. :P
I really hate that they destroyed what used to be an endless stream of new ideas and conversation to make more monies.
Well, can’t expect much growth if every major sub is turning into a christo-fascist cesspit, boosted by bad actor AI bots.
Or the real reason Reddit stock is collapsing is due to autobans and users switching to Lemmy instead.
Damn germans and their autobans
The nail in the coffin for me was the mobile site becoming completely unusable. That pop-up completely disables scrolling and swiping to go back.
Their decision to abruptly remove third party API access is what drove me here. I wiped all my posts shortly after they started offering that stock buy in bullshit. Definitely made the right decision after seeing them become what they are now.
same experience here
My huge comment started as a reply to you on all the dumb shit Reddit’s done to fuck it’s users over lately. Thanks for making an old man want to yell at the cloud. :D
oh no, anyways
So, basically they did all the things their users said would kill the site and it [checks notes] killed the site.
They decided to fully embrace the right and kicked a lot of people off. Fuck em.
User: "The sitting US President almost certainly raped children, the whole world knows, and no one is doing anything because he’s completely corrupted our nation’s government and law enforcement.
It also seems very, very likely that he is honestly planning to try to completely rig or stop our elections somehow, killing our democracy to stay in power. He has been building his own massive personal goon squad. It’s better funded than most of the militaries in the world. That goon squad has repeatedly killed completely innocent people, including US Citizens, in the streets in front of crowds. They constantly break laws, violate human rights, and completely ignore any legal ruling against them.
This is terrifying. I hope everyone is exercising your 2nd Amendment right to be prepared to defend yourselves and communities if needed. We can’t let this entire country fall to a coup!"
Reddit: “Your comment was deleted for encouraging violence and spreading insane conspiracy theories, and we’re banning your account for a week. Stop talking crazy. Fuck you.”
Who could possibly have foreseen this?
