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    I can’t imagine paying for AI when the open source tools have made it so easy to set up a model locally.

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    Trust me bro we’re so close to profitability bro, just need this IPO to secure funding one last time bro then we’ll be profitable bro I swear.

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    What is the actual “cost” after they buy the hardware, is that $1000 really pure power usage cost?

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      The problem is that the hardware has a 5 or 6 year depreciation schedule on paper, but NVIDIA keeps saying that their next generation chip will be twice as good as their last chip so there is a FOMO schedule of like every two years.

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        Would be nice to see that used hardware for sale rather than it being junked as a writeoff.

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      I’m curious as well. My knowledge is probably quite outdated, but from what I understood the training part is what’s expensive and then querying the model is pretty cheap. Is it still true (or was it ever) that the generated answers on search engines are cheaper to generate than the actual search results?

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        I find that hard to believe, I recently had to uninstall co-pilot after it weaseled its way into my search bar. Its not an exageration to say that my PC literally ran cyberpunk 2077 with pathtracting better than it ran the fucking windows search bar with co-pilot.

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          That’s just a shitty front end interface implementation, it has nothing to do with the actual inference run by the models.

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          Look at the public numbers, it seems true. Copilot on your taskbar is just windows being garbage, not the AI being bad. Just look at self-hosted AI and measure the power costs of your queries. It’s tiny.

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        It is sorta. Training is orders of magnitudes more intensive than inference, but we infer billions of times within a model generation.

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    reminder than during 2019 there were streaming services popping left and right, all showing tremendous growth because they started from zero, and articles were about how bad Netflix was doing due to having practically no growth compared with the competition (they already had a massive subscriber base). Twist? Netflix was the only streaming service that was actually making a profit, the rest were a massive loss but big growth.

    Needless to say most of those streaming services died; who remembers DC streaming service, or Yahoo’s? While Netflix is basically as stong as ever, despite the prevalent enshitification happening through the whole industry.

    Point of the story? shareholders don’t care about stable profitable business, only cancerous growth. AI is like that, zero profits, ton of cost, but as long as they show growth the shareholders are happy, regardless of how cooked the books are.

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      2019 Yahoo

      My immediate thought, there is no way Yahoo! Screen survived into 2019.

      I looked it up and Yahoo! Screen (which featured Community season 6) was shutdown in January 2016. But Yahoo! View launched in late 2016 (as a Hulu-like replacement), and that did shutter in mid 2019.

      So Yahoo! was already dead, but it also died for real in 2019.

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      who remembers DC streaming service, or Yahoo’s?

      Quibi will always have a place in my heart. Or, at least, my golden arm

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    Of course it is, it’s essentially a scam. They just need enough humans to keep investing until they check out and run with a bailout.

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      I don’t get why companies get to legally bailout like this. Why do people have to suffer for their bullshit? Enslave the CEOs if you have to make things right, leave the people out of it.

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        Although, most people aren’t talking about Alphafold when they’re talking about AI. They’re usually specifically referring to the generative transformer models that are currently all the rage.

        I doubt anyone would care too much about a linear regression model, or multi-layer peceptron , for example.