Ah Utah
The medieval backward heartland of the USA
This is just another dog and pony show. If the company doesn’t have any offices or assets in utah, then they don’t have to care. Utah can censor it’s own internet if it doesn’t like it.
This law simply has no legs to stand on.The point is it will spread. Unless you can convince people to jump to i2p en masse it not going to end well.
I have to wonder how a webtorrent based setup on Yggdrasil would perform…
It’ll be federal soon though.
These aren’t “age checks”…it’s identity tracking.
Websites need to block all Utah traffic. If their leaders are going to be shitheads, then no traffic for you until you elect new leaders.
I say just block Utah. Cut the grid, blow the highways, and burst the pipes. Maybe burn and salt SLC, let’s see well those profligates last against such odds before they act even the vaguely modern rather than riding Smith and Young’s corpse cocks.
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Shit just block Utah from porn and they will change their tune quick
Traffic coming from Utah? Believe it or not, jail.
You should see how they’ve gerrymandered their districts.
Remember when we told people “they’ll make it illegal to use a VPN” and we got snarky replies like “it’s not enforceable LOL”.
The fuck it isn’t. Traffic coming from a VPN? That’s a paddlin’, kiddo.
They’re not even trying to masquerade it as… oh, yes, they’re still trying to masquerade as a “think of the children!” measure. Those fuckers.
and we got snarky replies like “it’s not enforceable LOL”.
Not being enforceable hasn’t stopped a lot of bad laws from being enacted.
People can use this to look like local traffic.
Looks like Utah is run by buncha pedos
The pedophile class has the audacity to dictate access to a utility under the guise of protecting the children
they will use this specifically to prosecute whoever they choose and will only enforce it for that reason
Wait… this is specifically about websites?
Easy solution: stick your website behind a CDN. That way, people are using a VPN to contact a CDN, and only the CDN ever connects to your website.
And if Utah thinks two degrees of separation isn’t enough… well, it’s likely that every legislator in Utah is two degrees away from someone who will break this law, so they should obviously be the first to be subject to its penalties.
Easy solution: stick your website behind a CDN.
I would say the easy solution is to stop serving content to residents of the state
Well that’s the problem. If you’re on a VPN, the site doesn’t know where you’re coming from. So either all VPN services ban Utah, or all websites ban VPNs. It’s a very insidious ploy to ban any anonymity on the internet. It’s essentially letting Utah set the rules for the entire network. And it doesn’t really work anyway. I can create a VPS and set up tailscale or something similar and all my traffic goes through that server. No block of knowable VPN IPs that a website can block. So either Utah blocks all services like tailscale, which is not going to happen, or this is just pointless.
If two computers are connected to the same network, there will always be a way around these sort of restrictions.
There is no way to know someone is connecting to you via a VPN. They just blacklist known IP addresses, so there isn’t really a way to implement this. Sure, you can blacklist well known VPN providers, but anyone can rent a PC in another location to VPN through.
Yeah this was exactly my point. And this only works if the IPs for the VPN are fairly static. I have no idea if they are. But given that I have heard discussions about doing this I assume that is the case. I mean I have done exactly this (using a VPS) to get around some of the restrictions I see.
Same here. Running WireGuard on a VPS in Seattle.
Paying $10 a month, but that’s just because I also use that VPS for OwnCloud as well.
There’s services that not only check for known VPN servers, but also for IPs in datacenter IP blocks. So using a VPS could in theory also be blocked.
I set up a VPS as a VPN server just for me. There’s sites have definitely done this. Reddit for one. I get cloudflare captchas a lot as well.
I also use that, and it’s just all over the place.
I’ve had issues with my carrier, so I just used foreign SIM in roaming for a while. €11 for 40GB is not that bad.And then I found I can’t purchase a train ticket. For some reason, ZSSK (Slovakian passenger railway company) blocked IPs of Lifecell (Ukrainian MNO), but was fine with IP from RackNerd (Virginia).
Oh, and the university I am at blocks IPs from “3rd world countries”, the result of which was that Asburn, Virginia is fine, but somehow New York is a 3rd world country.
Their instructions say to use any EU-based VPN.OneDrive uploads would only work for me over Mullvad without crashing.
I also had Reddit block Czech T-Mobile IPs.
You’re right they could. But I’m a systems architect who deals with university wide networks so I know what a cluster fuck that would be. It would be absolutely unmanageable. I’d wager there is no way in hell they are gonna do that.
I’m hopeful that an adult in the room is going to show how unworkable this is gonna be but who knows.
Oh those legislators are two degrees away from something being broken, and it ain’t this dumbass law.
Web services and websites should block all Utah IP addresses and redirect to page explaining that because they cannot tell who’s using a VPN, their only option is to block all of Utah.
Yes, I understand how dumb that is, but sometimes you have to fight stupid with stupider.
So you’re saying we should blockade the blockade? /s
Porn sites have been doing that for years now.
And that’s exactly what they want.
They don’t want every website to do it though.
Even worse, that would not necessarily help. If someone’s accessing your website through a VPN that’s not located in that state, you would not block it… then become liable.
Better block everything at this point -_-
Web services and websites should block all Utah IP addresses
That won’t work on a VPN, though. The VPN will say the user is coming from outside the state. That’s the whole point of the VPN.
right, meaning everybody will need to get a VPN, defeating the purpose of the law
No, the better solution is for sites that age verification is pointless to block Utah. If you make a mobil app check the GPS or IP and disabl the app if they are in Utah. People should go on sites like Yelp in mass and put down votes on every establishment in Utah so that ths site becomes useless for anyone in Utah. Pretty much just destroy all tech and internet for all things Utah.
This is like holding a car manufacturer liable when a teenager drives to a liquor store and uses a fake ID.
Or holding the liquor store liable when a person with a real ID drives to the store in a stolen car
More holding the liquor store liable, which is what already happens.
Problematic now that Firefox has a free VPN with 50gb / mo.
To date, the only countries that have made progress in blocking VPN traffic with some success are authoritarian regimes with ISP-level surveillance.
You know you’re on to something when the only playbook you can find was written by the Chinese government.
Even the Chinese government struggles tracking people using VPN’s, Utah is in for a rude awakening.
The horseshoe theory of mass surveillance
Someone explain TOR to them
It’s a strict liability law.
If the state chooses to prosecute the site then all they need to do is prove 1. That the user was actually in Utah and 2. That they did business with the site.
It doesn’t matter if the user’s IP shows that they are on the Moon. The law doesn’t take into account their knowledge or intent, only what actually happened.
It’s like manslaugher or statutory rape laws. What the person intended or knew doesn’t matter, only what actually happened.
Tor exit nodes are public and even easier to block than VPNs.
Vpn->tor-> publiwhaza?
Irrelevant. The end goal is they can say “you connected to a site without going through our checkpoint, you’re liable”. Then the fun begins.
The teshnikully… discussions are useless against this. Heck, given how some networks operate, I would not be surprised if some people would fall into this without even knowing.
How else are they supposed to find under age girls to marry
Family reunion
