I came here a few weeks ago after many years of reddit. Altogether I find discussions I enjoy, however, the posts and comments noticeably lean, well, tankie (I didn’t know that term before I came here). It’s not that I am looking for an echo chamber, but I also don’t want to spend my time reading propaganda. I’m really curious about a lot of things outside politics, as well as the opinions and arguments of reasonable people across the political spectrum, but I don’t want to listen to the boring canned lies of fascists and tankies. I realized that people celebrating communist dictators trigger me, and this is something I didn’t have to deal with before I started reading lemmy, I didn’t even know this type existed.
I also notice that accounts created just a few hours in advance come from other instances to brigade political posts. Because of how lemmy works, I can block individual users or communities, but not individual instances. Is there an instance that could be a “safe space” from this kind of brigading and tankie spam? Or a way to use the internet to read interesting things now that blogs died and then Reddit became whatever it became?
Edit: Thanks everyone for the helpful and wholesome comments. Of course, some trolls/wackos showed up as well to say hi.
I largely use Lemmy because it doesn’t tolerate conservatives.
It’s 2026. There is no such thing as a moderate conservative. They don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. They don’t deserve yet another platform to argue in bad faith on. They’ve gone too far. Every platform they touch turns into a cesspool of bigotry and garbage opinions they think should be taken seriously or they play victim.
I don’t want them on Lemmy.
There are a lot of “bipartisan” social media websites (at least they self-advertise as such)
There are also social media apps for mainly conservatives.
Surely there can be one form of social media for leftists to talk to each other.I enjoy reading anarchists and socialists debate their case because I actually agree with points they make. I can see where each side is coming from and even have change my viewpoints at times.
Some edgy highschooler on the side screaming about how “God wants capitalism” would not contribute anything to the conversation. We already established their ideas don’t work, let us actually come up with new ones now.
screaming about how “God wants capitalism” would not contribute anything to the conversation
We have some of those here too
Surely there can be one form of social media for leftists to talk to each other.
Substack.
There is no such thing as a moderate conservative
IDK, I’d think most Democrats in Congress this decade are moderate conservatives (stupid Overton window shift).
goes on communist website
built by communists that got kicked out of reddit
i like this, but what about all those communists???
I’m still gonna pick on you communist but that’s after we’re done with the Nazis.
Friedrich Engels once said: “Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism.” What does “regression into barbarism” mean to our lofty European civilization? Until now, we have all probably read and repeated these words thoughtlessly, without suspecting their fearsome seriousness. A look around us at this moment shows what the regression of bourgeois society into barbarism means. This world war is a regression into barbarism. The triumph of imperialism leads to the annihilation of civilization. At first, this happens sporadically for the duration of a modern war, but then when the period of unlimited wars begins it progresses toward its inevitable consequences. Today, we face the choice exactly as Friedrich Engels foresaw it a generation ago: either the triumph of imperialism and the collapse of all civilization as in ancient Rome, depopulation, desolation, degeneration – a great cemetery. Or the victory of socialism, that means the conscious active struggle of the international proletariat against imperialism and its method of war. This is a dilemma of world history, an either/or; the scales are wavering before the decision of the class-conscious proletariat. The future of civilization and humanity depends on whether or not the proletariat resolves manfully to throw its revolutionary broadsword into the scales. In this war imperialism has won. Its bloody sword of genocide has brutally tilted the scale toward the abyss of misery. The only compensation for all the misery and all the shame would be if we learn from the war how the proletariat can seize mastery of its own destiny and escape the role of the lackey to the ruling classes.
This was Rosa Luxemburg in 1915. The regression into barbarism was brutal. Lets not lose sight of “the only compensation for the misery and all the shame”
It appears our bourgeois have decided barbarism is the way. Good Quote.
No, you got the wrong message
“Bourgeois society” is a society that has the “proletarian <-> bourgeois” contradiction, not “the society of the bourgeoisie”.
The bourgeoisie don’t have the option to decide. They have to go with barbarism or there won’t be a bourgeoisie anymore. They cannot choose socialism ever, it’s scientifically impossible. They’d have to become class traitors first. Commit class suicide. Only then, when they are no longer bourgeoisie can they choose. Here is great excerpt of “Socialism: Utopian and Scientific” by Engels that talks about Robert Owen who experienced this first hand (and who eventually committed class suicide very much to his credit) https://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/o/w.htm#owen
Thank you for the explanation. I hadn’t had my first coffee yet. I catch your drift now.
oh not at all, it’s an easy mistake to make when someone isn’t versed in communist terminology.
I might have skipped the majority of communist theory except a few excerpts here and there. But I’m here to learn.
You’re not alone in this. Just keep blocking the offending communities or instances until your feed’s balance suits you.
Real life. If you want moderate, complex opinions. Talk to real people. Not the bots and shills that populate this place.
You want an online community that allows both the right and the far right? That would be ALL OTHER ONLINE COMMUNITIES!
We came here specifically to get our own forum, where the centre left, regular left and far left are all allowed. This is a forum for the working class, not for the capitalists. And you capitalists can’t handle the fact that us workers for once get to have a forum of our own.
Who said this is a forum for the working class? I have not seen this mentioned anywhere. Read the sidebar: this is a generic forum for everyone. I’m inclined to think you are making this up.
Why do you want people with extreme views (left or right) in your community?
(ive been told my writing style is a bit abrasive, but i got a touch of the tism’, and that can effect the “cadence” of how i write. so take that into perspective when reading this inside your head. im not hostile.)
“Who said this is a forum for the working class?”
its implied, considering almost 99% of the worlds population needs to work to make a living and to support their loved ones who cant. and the vast majority of the people who post here arent billionaire oligarchs, or petty bourgeoisie. its statistically unlikely. therefor, fair to say.
“Why do you want people with extreme views (left or right) in your community?”
radicals are at the forefront of change in every conflict. for better, or for worse.
today (in the US) to be opposed to fascism, is to be considered a “far left terrorist” or ANTIFA. another boogeyman made by the fascists to scare people away from “socialism” or the “wokes” or some other nonsense.
the new modern definition of “far left extremism” is a dog whistle used by fascists trying to play the “both sides bad” or “innocent centrist” take that ultimately leads left leaning people and fence sitters further down the road of fascism, for those who take it at face value. overuse of the word “tankie” as well, which has been used as a blanket term for socialists/communists a lot more in recent days. but most people dont understand its roots, or the roots of socialism/communism, and how they have changed since their inception.
unfortunately, the reason so many “far left” voices appear here, is because platforms like reddit started banning people because they called out fascism, and began communicating on how they should stop it. or simply joking about it. i personally am one of those people, i said elon musk did a nazi salute, and was likely a nazi to some degree. and i was perma banned within minutes. for “violent” content. (it wasnt in the slightest) so here i am. and honestly its quite nice, people are more level headed, kind, and willing to discuss things thoughtfully. without the “gotchyas” and hostile armchair intellectualism that is so rampant on platforms like reddit.
this is a platform of the people, each instance essentially ran/hosted by volunteers. working class people, like you or me. thats the basis of the fediverse. anyone can spin up an instance, some bigger/better than others, and choose to link with all/certain instances. some instances can be honey pots, filled with bots, AI slop. or real human beings, making real connections. who knows. its crazy out here. still small, quiet. but growing, and getting louder.
the best thing about the fediverse, is that if you dont like an instance. you can leave it.
but if you dont leave quietly, its always a little bit sus as to your real motivations.
OP seems to be confusing people with a distaste for fascism/general knowledge of communism/socialism, and the history that birthed them, for actual “tankies”
a common mistake made by the misinformed, and a common tactic used by the misaligned.
but id rather not make those assumptions, and assume its coming from a purely anecdotal view/experience of the world that i havent seen reflected in my own use of lemmy.
regardless, at the end of the day, its not left vs right, its up vs down. and i think thats the bigger zeitgeist here on lemmy
sorry for the wall of text. i hope this helps provides a bit more context.
Don’t look for a specific moderate instance, instead block extremist instances. I’m not positive but I think that also blocks you from seeing posts by users of those instances even when they post to other instances, but I’m not 100% sure
None. Because that would mean that humans on Earth are being reasonable.
Have you met people? People are the worst.
You know, OP is doing me a real service by posting this thread. I’m just scrolling down and blocking nazis right and left.
Are different communities/servers really all that similar? I kinda just assume that people choose a somewhat random instance when they start and stick with it.
That’s what I did, because I didn’t know anything about how it works when I signed up. I guess the big ones near the top of the instance list are more random than smaller ones (reversion to the mean), but even there, mander.xyz users tone seems different to me.
Unfortunately, I think the same effect works both ways. The reasonable people you are seeking will mostly gravitate towards low-effort instances - after all, they are just looking for funny memes. They heard about lemmy as “reddit, but with fewer bots”. They have jobs and hobbies and friends in the real world - all sorts of reasons to care about anything other than the specific instance of a random social media platform they are joining. It is no coincidence that the most tankie users on the most tankie instances oscillate between posting revolutionary content and posting suicide jokes. It will be the rare person who threads the needle of “reasonable enough to have real world perspective, but obsessive enough to create and manage a curated lemmy instance for reasonable people.”
As a pretty middle of the road liberal with a few conservative or libertarian sympathies (but a lot of opinions about auto oriented city planning), I’m afraid we just have to wade through the muck until our communities appear via emergent design. Until then, I like the neoliberal comm.
Reasonable Moderate Conservatives don’t exist, idiot
There are no moderste Nazis. Get fucked.
WhY dO yOu SuPpOrT gEnOcIDe?
Schleswig-Hollstein
It’s way past time to be reasonable about politics
Reddit also died. It’s now a museum piece of dead internet theoy.
