After Bovino threw the can, the Star-Tribune wrote, “plumes of green and gray smoke burst over the crowd,” causing protesters and observers to flee the scene.
That is probably not normal tear gas (which is bad enough), it’s likely HC smoke which is extremely carcinogenic (arc).
If there is any justice for any of this someday there’s going to be a massive settlement and taxpayers are going to be paying for cancer and hospice treatment for thousands of people affected by this in a couple of decades.
e; There was a good step by step guide for disarming these somewhere that I can’t find right now, but if memory serves it was 1. Approach with leaf blower to direct smoke away from you, 2. Drop a traffic cone over the grenade to contain its smoke a bit more, 3. Dump a mixture of water and baking soda into the cone and drown the grenade.
e2; We don’t have definitive information that this is what it looks like for sure yet, so I added the two italicized words.
Hexachloroethane is suspected of causing cancer and may cause organ damage through prolonged or repeated exposure
Sounds like they’re also shooting themselves in the foot with this one, especially since they don’t wear proper protection, from what I’ve seen
If there is any justice
these fucknuts will be spending life getting beaten in an El Salvadoran prison.
If there is any justice
narrator: “There wasn’t.”
“There was no justice, just ICE.”
an El Salvadoran prison.
I appreciate the sentiment, but we’ve done enough to that country already, and it’s not like this one lacks for prison cells
Are you maybe confusing El Salvador with Venezuela? I’m specifically talking about CECOT.
No, I just don’t think we should be dumping our prisoners on any other countries, Venezuela or El Salvador or anywhere else
That said, in terms of bad stuff we’ve done to El Salvador specifically, we have propped up super brutal right wing governments there for decades specifically because it’s the northern most South American country and DC wants them to be a choke point where every wouldbe migrant from the area can get kidnapped and brutalized far enough away from the US that our journalists won’t ever notice. Like, CECOT never would have been built without US security aid.
Them freezing that order
The ICE agents’ use of gas and chemical spray on protesters came shortly after the 8th Circuit US Court of Appeals froze an earlier ruling from US District Judge Katherine Menendez that had barred federal agents from using such forms of force on peaceful protesters.
There is literally no reason to be peaceful anymore. There is no reason to not be kitted the fuck out when you go to “protest” anymore. There is no reason we shouldn’t just fuckin turn safeties off imo.
No. They want to have an excuse to declare martial law and start shooting randomly. Leave it to Minnesota, they’re handling it right.
I understand that but imo this is not going to end well, let alone peacefully.
I just don’t see this administration/dictatorship conceding to anything just because production might have slowed down for a little bit. They’re in too deep now; they can’t just walk things back and go “whoops, sorry! How about we only prosecute a tiny fraction of agents that actually committed acts of force/violence to placate the masses” and it all cycles back around. They’re either going to get what they want or we’re going to have to stop them from taking it over our cold lifeless bodies.
Tell me I’m exaggerating.
They’re in too deep now; they can’t just walk things back and go “whoops, sorry!
They’ll do that in a heartbeat. In fact, they do it alllll the fucking time. LA is a perfect example and relates to this. They didn’t have anyone on their side so they picked a new target.
They want to have an excuse to declare martial law and start shooting randomly
This shit drives me absolutely insane.
They don’t need an excuse
They’re going to do it anyway, so people need to fucking defend themselves however they can. Stop spouting this horseshit
This is what I’m fucking saying! They’re not pulling any punches so why the fuck are we?!
Functionally, what would be different between what’s happening now, and martial law?
I’m fairly confident Bovino doesn’t know what happened at the end of WW2.
I learned from the simpsons
The US needs some serious Hague style prosecutions. Sad thing is, their democrats won’t do it…
I’m rooting for French style revolution…the democrats just voted to give ice more money today because they were afraid of being considered anti law and order while bowing down to a pedofile child murdering insurrectionist who is controlled by a genocide committing war criminal…they look pretty soft on crime to me
“Take the picture of me from a low angle so I look like I’m all grown up”
The photographer is just closer to the ground to lick the boot.
And that’s the closest he’s been to having an erection in a long time.
We need ways to fight back without putting ourselves in danger.
There isn’t. That’s the whole point of fascism.
Information is the best way to fight fascism
Like drones?
This is an interesting [article] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks), though I’m not,ahem, sure how it applies to this conversation.
We’re still trying to win enough support to do so is the thing. The normally apathetic need to be against the regime otherwise they’ll just narc on people. They have to feel affected in some way and I don’t think anything less than the next large demonstration of ICE just gunning them all down in the street will do.
Like another comment or said: there isn’t. Everyone is a target, even if they’re not the target this week.
Take a look at what was done to protestors of the past. Even in recent years before this administration, they were gassed, beat, and made into criminals for exercising their right to assemble and express themselves. There are always “reasons” they were treated poorly but we must not be fooled: these reasons are hollow, don’t hold up to scrutiny, and are often outright fabrications. The lies you are to believe from their narratives is 1) someone in the vicinity destroyed property or acted in an “uncivil” way and 2) that means that everyone in the vicinity gets their rights taken away, and 3) if they resist their rights being shelved then they are met with violence.
It’s important to realize that none of this is new. This is par for the course, and the tools and narratives have been in use for generations. I’m gonna say it again: this is not new, it’s just more overt and laid bare for more people to see and realize.
You and I as working people are led to believe that if we just be meek and mild we’ll effect change. We are supposed to believe that not inconveniencing the state and being compliant will get us to our desired ends. On the other side of our struggle, the many forms of violence ARE the means by which change and control is effectuated.
This isn’t a call to violence, just an acknowledgement that violence is being used upon us as working class people and the inevitable end of that will be more violence, as history has shown. We need to disillusion ourselves of the hope that we can somehow deal with our problems in the warm comfort of safety. There is no guarantee of safety. We need to formulate our responses upon that reality, first and foremost, or we open ourselves to fragility and bewilderment at the violence that will most assuredly come upon us.
(Almost) No one wants this, but we need to be honest with ourselves about the reality that we face.
what we need are people who aren’t so pusillanimous they can’t say what they really mean.
This guy is literally Adolphus Murtry. Hope he meets a similar end.
Have you heard that assholes voice? I swear if I ever saw him in person I’d stoop down, look him in the eyes and laugh my ass off.
What a bovino…
Can we assign his name as a noun like a bucket of hot santorum?
It already sounds like a cross between “bovine” and “bambino”
So cowbaby.
Is this what the right means by “law and order”?
Actually yes. They see anyone else besides them as less than people.
That tiny little fella needs a hug real bad.
From a trash compacter.
“They’re shooting at us, Sir!”
“Well shoot back!”
They’re being very flattering with that camera angle/crop.
This traitor is going to have to watch his back for the rest of his life.
He’ll never have freedom of movement again.
