Nationalize his assets and deport him to South Africa
Tesla was built off the backs of the US taxpayer. It’s so crazy to me that he’s too dumb to realize being a toxic right winger is bad for business. He gets tax payer funds from the Democrats, his customers definitely skew left of center. I always thought Tesla was insanely over valued, but with all his bullshit and the major car manufacturers giving them competition now Tesla is bound to collapse…
Xesla has shaved $40k of the MSRP of their top end models since January.
I wonder why that is?
He did it to shore up support from manchildren since like 3 of his sex scandals hit the news in one week.
South Africa is where his families money is from and he can still have power there.
Guantanamo Bay is where he belongs
Or extradite him to Ukraine.
The US has spent at least 80 Billion dollars arming and supporting Ukraine in it’s defense against Russian genocidal aggression and Western expansion that puts the entire NATO block in jepordy, why is Elon fucking Musk allowed to put his thumb on the scale in favor of the enemy? Why isn’t anyone in the Biden administration tearing him a new asshole form stem to stern, why isn’t anyone in the Biden administration publicly discussing nationalizing Starlink. We’re literally throwing money into conflict (for absolutely necessary, vital, and justified reason) that one man is deciding the outcomes of, and the United States government is just … what … ok with this?
One thing that seems to be the case with Biden’s administration - there’s a lot going on behinds the scenes that we’re not aware of.
You’re right, there should be some life changing repercussions for Musk. Hopefully we’ll find out those are in the works.
That would require holding a billionaire accountable in some way though?
If we’ve learned anything from the Trump indictments, it takes many years to build a watertight case against somebody with lots of legal resources.
Do we need to hold Musk accountable? Yes. But also we need to do it in a way that he can’t wriggle out of, and that means years of legal work first.
It’s insane to me that the CEO of a private company can directly engage to change the outcome of a battle without the whole population completely losing their shit over it. This asshole turned off his product to intentionally prevent our ally from succeeding in a battle against our enemy. And his reason is that he was trying to prevent escalation. How the fuck is that his call to make?
Yes. Because a lot of powerful people stand to make a shitload of money off this conflict. The longer it goes, the more weapons it requires. The more weapons it requires, the more money they make.
Isn’t most of that $80 billion in the form of weaponry ordered from US manufacturers? Or maybe I’ve misunderstood. I thought much of the cash hasn’t really left America.
But yeah, musk needs to be stopped. No one person should have so much power, it makes a joke of democracy.
Why with all those billions are we relying on a private company for military communications? I’m not excusing Musk AT ALL, but communications are insanely important in a conflict. Why are these governments spending all of this money and not just doing it themselves? If the military ordered supplies from Walmart and Walmart didn’t deliver them, wouldn’t we be asking the government instead “why the hell did you do that?”
I don’t feel like nationalizing Starlink for the USA is best for everyone. It is a world-wide network, I feel like it would be better as something that isn’t controlled by any single country (but, obviously I agree it should not be controlled by a single billionaire fuck-boy either…).
Another “liberal” who hates democracy…
Why isn’t Biden just confiscating a private company??? Are you serious?
How are these things in any way related?
Democracy - the people voting on laws; representative democracy - the people voting for representatives to vote on laws
Nationalizing a company that provides a fundamental, necessary world wide service because one man decided he could determine the outcome of a battle.
Hmm… not really sure how these two things are related.
Sure. 😉
Billionaires are not democratic.
And what do you think calling for the state to take control of a business that disagrees with it’s policy goals is?
Nationalization? That’s not a new concept.
So you’d be okay with trump nationalizing a company because it disagrees with his foreign policy?
I wouldn’t be okay with trump in the first place, so I don’t see how that’s much of a gotcha.
Of course your don’t. You’re a partisan.
No. The real question is why does one man, because of his wealth, have so much power over the life and death of other people he has no interest in.
Wealth and capitalism is anti-democratic. And this is a prime example.
The academic model of capitalism has safeguards in place to prevent the shitshow we’re living in now. Leave it to us Americans to knock off those safeguards because we’re greedy as hell.
Yes, so is individual freedom.
Because the government didn’t want to pay for it… that would be “communism”. (they’re paying now, way to be coherent!)
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Elon Musk is afraid of Putin’s revenge. Crucial infrastructure like Starlink should be handled by the government, not a corp. Otherwise the corp will prioritize shareholders and profit rather than human’s life
Putin 100 percent has kompromat on Musk. Likely the pedophile shit he did with Trump and Epstein.
I think he’s basically gullible. His companies have given him so much money, he just assumes he’s right. However he doesn’t understand diplomacy and Putin played him. He should have deferred to the state department, who deal with that BS all the time
But then comes the issue, which government? As Starlink is global infrastructure.
Pretty sure he’s talking about the government of the country the company is registered in. As the is the only one that can realistically nationalise it.
Starlink is only ‘global’ as long as Elon approves of the GPS coordinates. With that in mind, ‘global’ is about a joke, it’s at Elon’s whim…
Wait, are you saying Elon Musk’s actions directly resulted in innocent women and children being murdered?
It would be terrible if more people started saying that Elon Musk murdered innocent women and children.
I’d rather not phrase it this way because it’s true. The point of this structure is that it was always bullshit.
It’s not straight up murder. I might have some (limited) sympathy for Elon in this case. But he should be able to see past the first action in that series of events. I believe he was dumb enough to not think of more than the surface (more on that later). If he’s not that dumb, then he truly is evil. Those submarines are not defensive.
I think he’s managed to surround himself with alt-right grifters* who have him truly believing most of the absolute bullshit they spout. This doesn’t excuse him for what he’s doing to the world on their behalf.
*These grifters don’t necessarily go after money directly. They also grift to direct his influence and money to their causes.
The right isn’t stupid. They use a stupid message to maintain control of the conversation as a diversion tactic that is very effective. The whole point of this is to ensure no legitimate reforms and legislation are put in place. We fall for it every time we get enraged by the bullshit. That is the joke, we are the joke, and there is no way around the fact we will spend the next 2 weeks pushing back before the next prescribed side show drops into the circus. The outcome is fixed and calculated well in advance. This entire thing is planned out. I doubt they expected this one to have quite this big of an impact, but it will disappear just like all the rest. If a supreme court justices can be openly corrupt, there is no question the oligarchic prince will walk away completely free. We have entire states like Georgia fighting against justice for the biggest coup attempt in this country’s history. The perpetrator at the center is still free years later. King Musk is invincible because of Republican Russian Red team and their oligarchy.
While I generally agree with you…
The right isn’t stupid.
Some of them absolutely are. Just like the Russians used r/the_donald to attract real, grassroots Americans to their cause. The ones who are using the stupidity as a strategy attract the true believers. I can’t tell you how many, but I guarantee the was at least one or two true believers in Congress. (Maybe they’ve been set straight by now.)
Marjorie Taylor Greene is probably the craziest of the bunch. She is following the Russian/Putin playbook to mobilize convenient idiots just like Trump. Lauren Boebert was a call girl, and is still turning tricks just for a higher end client. All of these people are acting their prescribed roles. They are all just actors playing roles. It has been reported that they all act completely different behind closed doors. Mobilization of convenient idiots is how Putin gained so much power. This is exactly what Republicans are doing. Most are being advised directly by Russia.
I suspect at least one, if not both, started out as true believers. And then this stuff became their job while they were being briefed on classified intelligence. Because, you know, the “deep state” does in fact try to give the legislature the information they need in order to do their jobs well.
r/the_donald I believe started as a psyop, but the strategy they used of getting people in on a joke and then making it real kind of applies here too. I think at the start they were true believers, spouting the idiotic bullshit while fully believing it. They found they were rewarded by that behavior and intentionally escalated it and kept it up. At some point they believe most of it, but still use all of it. Now, even if they no longer believe because they’ve spent the last several years getting educated for the first time in their lives, they absolutely have to keep the act up.
They’re following the playbook because they were recruited by the playbook. Every time they touched the MAGA button they got a treat. Now they’re millionaires. A fucking rat can do that.
As an aside, I don’t think Trump’s much different in many ways in playing to a crowd. One difference is that I do think he was directed by Putin early. But he’s not a political rally savant. He just goes to these rallies and likes when people cheer for him. So he pushes the “cheer for me” button. Evidence of that is when he got booed for promoting the vaccine. He’s not a genius at controlling the narrative. He just uses the narrative that works (even if much of that narrative was handed to him). He’s not the first person who can identify what people want to hear. And he has help. He, like any politician, has advisors doing polls and telling him what his people want to hear.
There exist smart Republicans who have been acting the entire time for grift and were never true believers. Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen, Jim Jordan. The problem with acting in bad faith and using stupid bullshit is that you do attract those true believers, and those true believers eventually advance. I bet a good chunk of the Republican caucus actually believes in trickle down economics. Because the people they see are the ones that benefit from it, and they’re heavily incentivized to rationalize their bullshit however they can.
I’m open to being wrong. It’s just a hypothesis.
These stories about how much of a piece of shit Musk is have been piling up for years now. I think people driving around in Teslas are going to get some damage done to their cars soon.
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Russia is a sanctioned nation with a public history of cyber attacks and false flag attacks on Americans. They also openly meddled in the 2016 and 2020 elections (thank fuck they didn’t pull 2020 successfully).
Providing aid and comfort to Russian military and political figures is explicitly treason.
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The US should nationalize Starlink. If private business decisions are going to undermine world stability then those decisions are antithetical to any kind of peace and need to be treated as the threat that they are. A single person picking sides shouldn’t result in a casual body count that Elon never is punished for but it now does and he looks to be getting away with actual manslaughter.
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Why are we getting him high first?
So the Ukrainians don’t have to lead him as far.
So we can drop Joe Rogan off with him at the same time.
Starlink is a great system. The problem is its idiot owner, Musk, who is more worried how the use of Starlink in the Ukraine is going to affect his company stock. You’re in the big leagues now, Elmo. You cant “sort of” commit to a war unless you’re a rich Saudi dilettante, who wants to try his hand at international shiat-stirring.
The use of Starlink was restricted by US Government sanctions: no use on Russian territory or assets.
Tough luck, that also means no using it for attacking on Russian territory or assets.
Edit: Here’s a link with sources and dates.
Crimea is Ukraine. Also that’s not how sanctions work at all
Crimea is Ukraine
Crimea is Stalin’s “present” to the Republic of Ukraine after the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Crimean Tatars by the USSR.
Do you support that genocide?
that’s not how sanctions work at all
These sanctions work exactly like that: no service, means no service, not “no service, but sometimes some”.
If you want an exception, you ask the US Government, not some rando running the service.
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You may want to look up the meaning of “tankie”, then re-read my comment, followed by some basic history notions, like the link I’ve provided.
It’s very impressive how someone can be so wrong yet so confident at the same time.
Musk didn’t allow it. Full stop. It’s not so,e government sanction thing.
Even quotes you reference are from Musk, himself, sharing why he decided so. Musk said he chose not to activate it because he’d be apart of escalating the war…
Musk said he chose not to activate it because he’d be apart of escalating the war…
…which was against US Government policy.
Please read all the links before cherry picking only some of them.
What against US policy? Escalating the war? We already are sending tons of military equipment, some used in counter offensives.
Post the link and full article you got that from, I’d like to read but many of the links are pay walled.
Here’s what I read from one of the links you referenced, I would think Musk would say it’s against US policy if that’s the reason he chose not to activate Starlink
“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol,” Musk wrote on X, the platform previously known as Twitter.
“The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor. If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation,” Musk wrote.
An excerpt about the raid from American author and journalist Walter Isaacson’s upcoming biography on Musk, titled “Elon Musk,” was published by CNN. Ukrainian submarine drones loaded with explosives were approaching a Russian naval fleet in the Crimean city of Sevastopol when they lost connection and “washed ashore harmlessly,” according to Isaacson.
Musk was concerned about Russia responding to the naval attack with a nuclear weapon, Isaacson wrote in the book, according to CNN. Ukrainian officials
What against US policy?
You can check the list of sanctions imposed on Ukraine/Russia, which regions, types of activity and subjects, along with the exceptions and licenses at:
You may notice that US citizens have been forbidden from providing telecommunications services, including via satellite, in the conflict areas since early 2022, requiring a special license to operate.
Starlink didn’t have such license, and only got a DoD agreement in mid 2023.
In late 2022, Musk would’ve had to break that policy in order to allow the drones to be controlled into the conflict zone.
As for him saying so… I don’t think he’s the type to paint himself as subservient to the government, even if he is; more like the megalomaniac type claiming to have stopped WW3 barehanded, even if he literally did nothing.
So the only one saying Musk didn’t activate Starlink was because of US sanctions is you, and not even Musk himself.
There’s not article, just you deducing from the US sanctions list.
What’s your point, that I should write an article? 🙄
Great example of people downvoting the truth away. The spectacle of American politics can no longer address material truths, outside of merely referencing good or bad actors.
Elon’s negative image is proof because he used to be widely considered as someone solving the climate crisis through free market capitalism, but the truth is he never changed and has always been this way, and the system he operates in where people need cars is the problem.
It’s also a given that Americans are blind or refuse to acknowledge the effects of their government’s sanctions on the world, the private business interests that benefit, and the way they exploit people like themselves in other countries and use them as pawns.
That’s treason,… is it not?
Russia is an enemy aggressor nation. Helping their military and their government without U.S. Congress approval is treason.
Technically, no. But I doubt that Musk will be getting any contracts in Ukraine after the war. Probably ruined any other future business in any of the other countries in a similar situation as Ukraine bordering Russia as well.
He’s not ukrainian so I don’t see why or how it would be treason.
Just a very shitty move.
He helped a country we have sanctions against.
That is not treason.
Are you saying it doesn’t meet the definition or he can’t be tried for it. I’m assuming you’re not a lawyer but this is the definition. Elon’s actions=treason. Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance.[1] This typically includes acts such as participating in a war against one’s native country, attempting to overthrow its government, spying on its military, its diplomats, or its secret services for a hostile and foreign power, or attempting to kill its head of state. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.[2]
If you read the wiki page, you’ll find that citation [1] is about Roman and Germanic law, and citation [2] is a dictionary. Neither of which are relevant to this case.
But even if your definition were relevant, Elon Musk did not commit treason because he is not a Ukrainian citizen, and owes no allegiance to them.
Elon Musk has US citizenship. But under US law, this isn’t treason either. Treason is defined in the constitution as “levying war against the U.S.” not the case here, or “or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”
You could argue this rises to the level of aid or comfort, but Russia is not an enemy in the eyes of the constitution. They would have to engage in open hostilities for that to be the case. The war in Ukraine is not open hostility against the US.
I’m not a lawyer, but I can do better research than copying the first paragraph from the first searh result.
Treason is a serious crime STOP diminishing that word by misusing it.
That’s just twisting of reality.
I hate Musk, but Starlink has been immensely important to Ukraine, I remember Michael Kofman saying that if there’s one wonder weapon in this war, it’s the Starlink.
What Musk did was refusing to help more. Shitty move, but it’s absurd to call it “helping Russia”. You also aren’t helping Russia because you don’t send all your discretionary income to Ukrainian army.
He was paid for a service and he turned it off, that’s way different than “helping more”. Don’t be a Musk apologist, he’s got billions to go to that cause.
Musk provided terminals and connections initially for free, a contract with US for compensation was awarded only later.
The policy to provide coverage only in Ukraine controlled area was there all along, so that was clearly part of that contract.
Again, I very much dislike Musk, but then I also dislike when hate obscures facts.
The US law Musk violated would be the Logan Act…
It’s also not a mistake when we know he’s buddy buddy with Russia. We know why they did it.
It’s because Elon finds Putin more relatable than the people Putin is attacking.
Not really. He’s just afraid that his satellite constellation will get targeted by the Russians. They probably threatened him and he being who he is (attached to his companies) started to cave.
Plausible but wouldn’t they already be a target at this point, and to counter wouldn’t this have been a known risk when he signed the contract with the US Government on providing the coverage for Ukraine?
I really hope Mr free speach doesn’t do anything about this scathing entirely accurate tweet about what an egoistical monster Elon is posted on the platform Elon owns.
Why the fuck are they relying on starlink.
Either elon is a ficking idiot or has Russian allies
Both? He’s been trying to meddle and play “peacekeeper” this entire time. Except his version of peace is. Let the Russians keep everything they’ve taken, take the L and deal with it so I can continue to sell products and services there.
¿Por qué no los dos?
As a fan of some of Musk’s technical vision and how he’s revolutionizing society, I stringly believe he’s an effing idiot. People have given him so much praise, adulation, money, that he thinks he’s right and is easy to manipulate.
He’s a sucker who should go back to what he’s good at. Step back from the war and attempts at diplomacy, put Twitter on fire sale to someone who can fix it, and go back to your core. Let’s get cyber truck and semi out in force. Let’s deliver Roadster v2 and get to work on that rumored $25k cybercar. Let’s continue the revolution. Let’s get Starship/Superheavy flying, and continue through to Mars. Let’s continue the revolution of humans stepping out into the solar system. While he’s at it, it’s time to bail on some of the less successful sideshows. Stop wasting time and money trying to make a go of residential solar: great idea but if you can’t deliver something people can adfird, it’ll never work
