Of any kind. Commuting, road biking, touring, mountain biking etc.

Been a cyclist of various types for 20 years now. Never seems to be non-controversial. Even among other cyclists… many hate other types of cyclists. And now there is a lot of specific e-bike hate/controversy.

I don’t get it man. What do you think?

IME assholes are assholes regardless of being on a bike or not.

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    They don’t consume fossil fuels to operate. Can’t have masses of people not enslaved to their car and its operations since that might hurt some big corporations bottom line.

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    It just isn’t practical to bike most places in the US. It’s too spread out, and there aren’t paths that bikes can take that they don’t have to share with 3,000lb cars that will delete them if the driver makes a single mistake.

    So biking is just a recreational thing some people do for cardio near their house.

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    Cyclist here. Didn’t earn my license until the age of 28, when I moved to a city that had even shittier infrastructure for bikes.

    If we are going to place blame where it is due, look no further than the engineer, John Forester. John Forester was a wannabe bike racer out in California that wanted bikes to be treated like cars because dip shit thought he was sonic; he wanted to go fast. His concern was that bikes would get relegated to sidewalks and paths where they couldn’t go fast if bike infrastructure was implemented. He was against bike infrastructure during post war 1970’s CA where lots of urban planning was happening.

    When it comes to walking and bicycling, most state DOTs and most local DOTs wait until there is a demonstrated demand before implementing bike infrastructure. Meaning stuff doesn’t get done until there’s a worn path on the side of the road where people are walking, or — as dark and morbid as it sounds — enough people are killed crossing a multi-lane road that eventually action is warranted. Many cities like the city where I am from were incorporated in the late 1600’s early 1700’s, and no one was thinking about bike infrastructure then. Roads were built with horse carts in mind, which evolved into cars. For older cities making the changes is a major cost vs urban planning to include bikes when a city is new and being built.

    Another key difference between the USA, and European/Asian nations that have better bike infrastructure, is the fact that the later believes in science. In the early 2000s, the city of Paris, France, started a major push to roll out bike infrastructure to encourage cycling because air pollution was such a huge problem. Between 2005 and 2024, levels of nitrogen dioxide and fine particulate matter — two of the most harmful pollutants to human health — have been slashed by 50% and 55%, respectively. Amsterdam and Copenhagen are other examples of cities that built out bike infrastructure to reduce reliance on cars. Despite the environmental benefits seen in the USA when traffic plummeted during covid, most state and local governments would rather pretend that air pollution caused by cars isn’t that bad.

    Then there is the whole, if you build it, they will come, mentality. Most people in the USA don’t consider cycling viable because there is no infrastructure. It doesn’t occur to them that riding a bike is even an option because the infrastructure isn’t there. If the infrastructure were there, it might encourage more people to try cycling instead of driving. I work in a busy downtown area for my state government. The infrastructure for bikes here is god awful. There are just 3 roads in my entire town that have bike lanes, and they are often riddled with cars that have double parked in the downtown area. Once you get about 3 miles away from the downtown area, the bike lanes disappear from each road. My job has no protected locations for locking up bikes. I used to lock mine right to a tree outside of my job, and it was stolen. The ONLY reason why the guy was caught was because he stole from in front of a state government building and there were cameras everywhere. I bought a new bike, and an insane lock, and my bike was sabotaged in the new spot on street I found to park. (Someone cut small holes in my rear tire, to the point I couldn’t identify there was a breach in the tire when I had a flat because the hole was so small. I’d eventually figure it out, buy a new tire, and kept riding. The last time my bike was sabotaged, the culprit used a knife to cut the rubber of the inner tube stem, which is something that can’t be patched, and isn’t obvious until you take it apart to look for the problem. Another police report resulting in camera footage being pulled once again showed there was a asshole vandalizing bikes when he couldn’t steal them.)

    Finally, shitty infrastructure will destroy your bike. The shoulders of the roads up here are littered with potholes worse than the street, like so bad when I hit one, it flipped me over the handlebars onto the pavement. When it’s raining, you can’t tell if a puddle is just a puddle or a massive pothole. I hit so hard it popped the tire AND bent my rim. Then there’s all the glass, and random industrial waste in the shoulder too. It got so bad I started collecting the bolts, nuts, and other random pieces of metal in the road I mailed into our city’s DOT with my complaint about the state of the roads. During a bad month, I might have 4 flats, that’s almost $50 of new inner tubes, plus my time to make repairs.

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        That is a GREAT video! Based on the book quotes in that vid, I 100% believe that John Forester would take his socks off at night and huff is foul body odor. Bro must have loved the smell of his own brand.

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    Smug, shit sniffing Liberals and fat neckbearded Conservatives are why.

    The Tesla before Elon took his mask off crew vs. Meal Team 6.

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    Not Just Bikes just did a video about one guy who was a major influence for how bikes are perceived in the US.

    It’s pretty long but the tl;dw is one weirdo lobbied hard to treat bikes like cars - “vehicular cycling” - and looked down on bike paths, comfortable seats, and not being a jerk.

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      It was a good video and I knew nothing of that bit of history. That asshole cyclist reminded me so much of my Jr High environmental science teacher. The same kind of magnanimous attitude.

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    Our roads are designed around cars, it’s very often extremely frustrating and unsafe to have to share the road with bikes.

    As an example, most of my commute is along a 2 lane road (1 lane each direction) that’s winding, poorly lit, and has almost no shoulder. The speed limit is 35mph, which isn’t a speed most cyclists can keep up for very long if they can reach it at all.

    If there’s traffic coming the opposite direction, it’s often difficult or impossible to pass that cyclist safely so very often I’ve been stuck driving 10 under the speed limit around a cyclist I can’t get around.

    And again, it’s a windy, poorly lit road, coming around a corner it would be very easy to hit a cyclist if I wasn’t being careful (which I am, but many are not)

    To add insult to injury in my particular case, there’s actually a very nice bike path that runs directly parallel to the road, you can actually see it from the road for much of its length, and there’s lots of places to get on and off of it, it’s paved, it’s actually almost as wide as the road itself.

    There’s also the issue that a lot of them don’t always follow the rules of the road, you see a lot of the lane-splitting, running red lights, etc.

    And there’s good reasons for some of that behavior, I’ve heard them, I don’t disagree with them, but the fact of the matter is that it makes them unpredictable, which is the last thing you want to be on the road.

    Some also ride at night without proper lights and reflectors, which is really a problem with some idiots and shouldn’t be generalized to bikes in general, but some people are going to do that

    There’s also Americans’ love of big SUVs with big blindspots that makes bikes harder to see when they’re around you in traffic.

    As for ebikes, I have a love-hate relationship with them.

    They can keep up with traffic a lot better, which helps my first point a lot.

    They’ve also gotten a lot of people out on bikes who wouldn’t have otherwise, which is great, but it also means that a lot of those people are going from not having ridden a bike since they were like 10 years old to feeling bold enough to be out in traffic because their bike can keep up but never really learned how to coexist with traffic on a bike, so we’re doubling down on the unpredictability.

    There’s also the issue that out of traffic, in spaces where e bikes coexist with pedestrians and regular bikes on trails and such they’re often zooming around at unsafe speeds.

    And there’s the usual patchwork of laws and regulations from one state to another, and a lot of shady imported brands selling bikes that don’t meet those regulations. A lot of the e bikes on the road around me are overpowered and too fast for what the laws allow. And people also let their kids ride them which also isn’t allowed.

    I’m all for more people riding bikes in general , but the current situation with infrastructure, regulations, enforcement, and education here make it a really unsafe and frustrating to share the road with bikes.

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    My guess is that the amount of sprawl in America is a big contributor. It means there’s a higher barrier to biking, which in turn means that fewer people do it, which then means that there’s less effort put into biking infrastructure (and the sprawl also directly makes building infrastructure more expensive), and so then the people who do bike have to be more intrusive on other traffic. So then there’s tension between the drivers who end up inconvenienced by bikers, and bikers who feel threatened by drivers.

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    I rarely bike at all.

    Road bikers are usually assholes, probably because they have a chip on their shoulder about cars being impatient with them. Getting behind a road biker on a busy two-way street is really annoying.

    I haven’t seen commuter cyclists get much crap but they’re probably pissed off at how motorists treat them.

    Mountain bikers only hate e-bikers because they’re “cheating”, far as I can tell. Kids also ride e-bikes around here like morons and cause lots of accidents.

    Anyway, most of the US just isn’t built to handle bikes and it causes tensions to flare, best as I can tell.

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      I get the most crap when commuting to work. I get zero with road biking.

      I get some crap when mountain biking, mostly from 80 year old dog walkers w/off leash dogs who chase me. but also from other mountain bikers.

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      Most road bikers aren’t assholes, some are that give the rest a bad name.

      As a mountain biker, those large E-bikes also sometimes rip up trails with monstrous torque and inexperienced riders who will do things like ride in muddy conditions.

      Mountain bikers also get into arguments with atv, dirt bikers, horse riders, and gun enthusiasts

      The atvs and dirt bikers rip up trails, horse riders get right of way and shit all over trails and gun enthusiasts sometimes shoot guns without a safe backdrop that involves bullets going through bike paths…

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        gun enthusiasts sometimes shoot guns without a safe backdrop that involves bullets going through bike paths…

        USA normal.

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    I commute on electric bike, literally work at a participation endurance sport company and have only gotten gentle teasing, no hate from the hardcore bikers. I tell them I literally hate riding a bike and that this one cost less than their racing bike, and I am comfortable on it, so use it for grocery shopping and stuff like that.

    There is not enough infrastructure for bikes. I am careful and polite, if I have to take the sidewalk I get off and walk around pedestrians, walk it across intersections. If I’m in the road I wait for a big break in traffic or periodically get off the road so cars can pass (there is no bike lane going to work). I see bikers weaving through traffic and understand the frustration drivers have. And have had cars make illegal left turns almost into me and understand bikers being frustrated too.

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    The only controversies I’ve seen regarding bikes I’ve seen as a city dwelling American, are bikes not following the rules of the road.

    People get upset when bikes run red lights/stop signs, ride the wrong way on streets or paths, or go way too fast on shared pedestrian paths, especially if they don’t have a bell or horn of some kind.

    E bikes get hate because they allow people to do 25 to 40 mph on pedestrian paths (where the speed limit is half of that or less). Where I live, lane splitting for motorcyclists is not legal, but E bikes do it relatively frequently. Motorists are not expecting a tiny, silent vehicle to go flying past their door at 30 mph when they’re stopped. And for some reason, most E bikes I’ve personally seen riding at night have no lights of any kind. I don’t want to hit someone in my car, and I don’t want to be hit by someone as a pedestrian, and it’s a hell of a lot harder to prevent that when you can’t see them.

    I ride my bike on shared use paths and the street with lights and a bell. I follow the rules of the road, and I’ve never had any issues.

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      I get screamed at by everyone if i stop at stop sign or a red light. by other bikers, by peds, by cars.

      when i roll red lights… nobody screams at me. so i just do that now. it feels a lot safer when you jsut go through the intersection and don’t have someone leaning out of a car threatening you for ‘being in their way’ at a red light.

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    Car obsessed culture. Their brains rotted out with all the propaganda they’re fed 24/7. Being raised by TV did not do any favours.

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    I think part of it is that there are a lot of bike riders in US cities that are jerks, especially to pedestrians. When I’m crossing the street, bikes and scooters virtually never stop for me and just try to weave around me, and I once got hit by a scooter that was illegally riding on the sidewalk, which they constantly do here. I’m certainly not anti-bike because of that, but I can kind of understand why some people would be

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      i stop for peds at cross walks and they still call me an asshole and scream at me. happens multiple times per week.

      or they don’t go and i assume they want me to go… and they scream at me.

      i don’t get it.

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      Bicycle riding, vegans, linux, dieting, crossfit, etc.

      You dont know the normal ones, you know the foaming at the mouth loonies who wont shut up about it.

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      I think part of it is that there are a lot of bike riders in US cities that are jerks

      A lot of the ones an average driver interacts with are…

      Especially in a city most cyclists are only on public roads on their way to/from a trail and they prioritize avoiding cars.

      It’s just because of that, you never see them or don’t notice them as you drive by.

      What everyone notices is the selfish dicks clogging up traffic, and they’re the ones who have made cycling a huge part of their identity, and they really want to pretend any criticism of them is a criticism of every bike rider, because it’s the only chance to defend the problematic ones.

      They’re a tiny minority of cyclists, and most don’t like them either.

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        I barely notice them when I’m driving, I’m mostly talking about when I’m walking. But yeah obviously it’s not every bicycle, but it is a lot in my area

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    You’re acting as if normal people think about things before forming an opinion.

    When you want to explain other people’s actions, you should first imagine that they never think about anything, that they’re incapable of reasoning, and that their opinions about others tend to be formed the first time that they notice those others, which is often the first time they are bothered by them.

    If you cannot explain their behavior in that way, then you should start to explore the idea that they’re intentionally doing things as assholes. This is essentially the same idea as the old saying, never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Whether you agree with the underlying concept, I find it’s an extremely useful tool to predict the actions of others.