Police said a suspect was in custody after the shooting near the Capital Jewish Museum
A suspect is in custody after shooting dead two Israeli embassy staff outside a Jewish museum in Washington on Wednesday night.
The gunman, named by police as Elias Rodriguez, 30, of Chicago, approached a group of four people leaving an event at the Capital Jewish Museum and opened fire, killing Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Milgrim.
Metropolitan police chief Pamela Smith said the shooter had been pacing outside the museum, which is steps away from the FBI’s field office, before the shooting.
After killing the pair, who officials said were a couple, he walked inside, where event security detained him. The suspect yelled: “Free, free Palestine,” after he was arrested, police said.
It sucks that more people died. It also sucks that I feel so…indifferent about this one.
How many Israelis have to die before they stop killing Palestinians? What’s two lives compared to the hundreds ended daily in Gaza? It’s hard to be sad.
These people probably weren’t evil. At worst, they were complicit after being fed a lifetime of propaganda. And nothing will change because of this so there’s no silver lining. It’s hard to be happy.
If I feel anything, it’s dread at how the story will be spun. But even then…whatever happens isn’t going to be the worse than what’s already happening.
So it’s hard to care at all. And that’s the sad part for me.
The government of Israel is evil.
These people worked for the embassy.We can’t condemn people in broad terms. That is what started this. Killing someone because of their nationally, race, or job, is wrong. It’s more senseless killing, adding to the hundreds of Palestinians killed.
Guard yourself against seeing individuals as the enemy, when their only sin is where they were born.
That’s exact what I’m trying to say - they didn’t deserve to die and nothing good will come from it.
I will admit I WAS happy about the UHC CEO because he was directly involved in the decisionmaking that led to suffering. But this one doesn’t feel like vengeance - until I hear otherwise, these were just two people caught in the crossfire. Bullets should be flying at Netanyahu and his cronies, not embassy employees.
Guard yourself against seeing individuals as the enemy, when their only sin is where they were born.
Kansas City?
Wat?
She was from Kansas City.
i will disagree here as people in palestine have no choice, they are going to murdered by settlers and have their home of multiple generations taken away no matter what they do. so what alternative they have other than to fight back.
these “delegates” on the other are rich and educated enough to work for anyone other than this disgusting apartheid state of who murder women and children for fun on daily basis. we all know what aipac and israeli lobby does in us to hijack our political system. they are the actual terrorists not gazan fighting for survival without food and water against an enemy that wipes out a family with drone strike for speaking the truth. these “delegates” might not have shot anyone but they certainly ensure that the terrorists who do it get all the funds and weapons they need.
they intentionally murder doctors and medics so injured innocents die horrible death
people like him and luigi are just normal people who are brave enough to do the only thing that is going to make a dent against these well funded parasites.
i know how you feel, it’s just like the thousands of other terrorist acts against Jews over the centuries
I don’t really feel indifferent towards those, though
so you don’t want any more of these murders to happen?
or you’re indifferent about that
Sorry, gloves off
What kind of stupid fucking gotcha do you think you’re trying to catch me in here?
would you be indifferent if more israeli embassy workers are killed?
clear enough potty mouth?
What I found pretty unsettling when I watched some excerpts from the news was the stark contrast in how the events are portrayed depending on who’s getting murdered. Let me explain:
The media and officials insisted on humanizing the victim; notably mentioning the crushed family life he was building for himself (“He bought the ring and was engaged”).
The problem is that the Palestinian children and families getting crushed in a genocide don’t have the privilege to be treated as human, to be cared about or their dreams and aspiration considered. They are at best unfortunate victims and most of the time walking flesh that needs to be exterminated.
I find that so frustrating how the right or even the mainstream always portray themselves as the superior moral culture while enabling the worse mass extermination to happen, documented before them.
EDIT: they even talked about a “heinous” crime which felt so tone-deaf and laughable.
Philosophy Tube has a great video about this topic https://youtu.be/rLfzO7Sbdc4. At 27:20 she starts talking about who’s life is worth grieving and who’s is not, and how this is a government level topic. It hits the nail on the head about the differences in reporting two different people’s deaths can have. At 33:45 they specifically talk about the 2008 Gaza war.
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Do you mean a lot of victims are babies so people can’t relate and sympathize? Because for a child, there are so much dreams, emotions, formative experiences; how can the public hostile to the Palestinian cause close their eyes on that ?
💯 the default assumption of the media is that these Israelis are relatable humans and this is a tragedy… But what is happening in Gaza is somehow morally ambiguous.
Maybe one could argue the sheer scale of the Gaza genocide makes it difficult for the media to humanize them, so they get reduced to just a number of fatalities with lots of digits. But if the media default was that the Palestinian lives had value they would look through the lives lost like those in 9-11 and tell their stories.
People getting killed in a warzone is different than political murders.
It’s not about who, it’s about context.
News reporting is also about new and unexpected events.
Consider this: People being killed in Sudan or Myanmar gets no attention compared to Gaza.
lol. Describes Gaza as “people getting killed in a warzone”, then has the lack of self-awareness to preach about context.
You sound like an Israeli shill, mate. Dumbing down the language and trying to change the focus to another atrocity.
Gaza isn’t “people getting killed in a warzone”, it’s civilians and children getting bombed in their beds/hospitals/schools/refugee camps and currently being starved to death in the dark by an oppressive fascist regime.
“Any attack against a Zionist is antisemitic”
So that means Isreal is a ethnostate?
It was a networking event for Jewish people at a Jewish museum.
And they were two Zionists.
Heartbreaking to see, but sadly it was only a matter of time until something like this happened. This war on Gaza is growing increasingly unpopular and people feel powerless to stop the ongoing genocide being conducted by Israel. I don’t support attacks against random civilians but I’m not surprised somebody saw an opportunity to make a statement. These deaths are on Netanyahu along with the tens-of-thousands of Palestinians killed since the war started.
It doesn’t look like this was an “attack on random civilians.” Out of all the people they could have killed, they killed people who work for the Israeli Embassy. They worked for the government doing the genocide.
Now did they support it? Who knows, but this shooter was not shooting up a movie theater. It was no more random than the United Healthcare CEO.
not really random, this guy seems on par with the Israelis watching Gaza bombings from a cliff while eating popcorn. He also seems to have a full hard on for Trump, so for him all kinds of humanitarian crimes are probably ok as long as the president supports Israel State’s genocide. So not really random, perhaps more on the same level as Luigi.
These deaths are also on the people who demand to globalize the intifada.
After killing the pair, who officials said were a couple, he walked inside, where event security detained him. The suspect yelled: “Free, free Palestine,” after he was arrested, police said.
Certainly plausible…
But I don’t trust the police or embassy officials from a country that’s spent years committing a genocide.
They’re not trustworthy witnesses.
If anyone is upset about that and wants it to change, you should go tell the cops and Israel to stop murdering people and then claiming it was self defense.
When you lie about shit constantly, people just stop taking your word on shit
Video is all over the news of this happening. Suffice to say the conservatives/Israelis are now winning the propaganda war in the US with this event.
They’ve been winning it for a long time because multiple governments around the world have outlawed dissent in a lot of different ways. This event isn’t going to change anybody’s opinions on the underlying conflict it’s just going to make everyone dig in deeper.
It makes it more of an uphill battle. This will absolutely be used to justify further criminalizing pro-Palestine speech and public demonstrations.
You’re not wrong, but it’s also an indication of just how thoroughly the Israelis have destroyed their credibility/moral high ground that my immediate thought after reading your comment was that maybe the shooter was Mossad doing a false-flag operation to manufacture that result.
TIL reporting on a terrorist attack is “propaganda”
It’s gonna be used as propaganda, yeah. This will be the strawman for all pro-Palestine sentiment in the US for the near future.
well you already used the term terrorist attack so it seems the propaganda is already here
I couldn’t agree with you more.
Bro, you’re not going to stop a genocide by busting a cap in two nobodies half a world away.
I really wish the world would go back to peacetime
Same. But when was that time? There has always been conflict.
There is always a war going on somewhere. Some areas have longer breaks than others.
Small, weak men can never be happy with what they have because they feel small and weak. They will always crave more.
A woman who attended the event, Katie Kalisher, told CBS News that she encountered the alleged shooter right after hearing gunfire.
“Then this man comes in … but he was covered in rain and just looking really distressed and scared,” Kalisher told “CBS Mornings.” “We were comforting him because we thought that he was just somebody out in the street looking for a safe place to stay because he heard some gunshots.”
She said she talked to him to try to help him relax. “I asked him, ‘So, do you like the museum?’ And he’s kind of playing dumb with me,” she said about the interaction. “He goes, ‘Oh, what kind of museum is this?’ I told him, ‘It’s a Jewish museum.’ He asked, ‘Do you think that’s why they did this attack’ … referring to the rounds that we heard.”
She said she told him she didn’t think so and asked if he was OK. Then, she said, “He reaches into his bag and pulls out a keffiyeh and says, ‘I did it. I did it for Gaza.’ And, just starts shouting, ‘Free Palestine.’”
Well, fuck. This moron didn’t help the Palestinians one bit. Just reinforces propaganda about opposition to the genocide being antisemitic.
Sure but Israel can kill Palestine’s and aid workers from other western countries and nobody cares.
It’s not that no one cares, it’s that people who do care don’t want to be associated with others who care like this guy.
Ya only because idiots will read it that way.
Embassy staff are basically political targets, not ethnic ones, but people will read it that way because anything against Israelis is being anti-jew not anti-israel.
The press will highlight the Jewish Museum part and not the embassy staff part.
Planned ploy
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Do explain how they facilitated a genocide.
Or STFU. Seriously. Explain why you think they deserved to be murdered in the US in front of a museum for having worked at the embassy. Seekrit MOSSAD maybe? Did they know (((others))) in the banking halls of power and the media and were plotting with them?? You have the answers, obviously, do share them. Or admit you don’t.
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So anyone working for a part of the state is responsible for the actions of that state?
The undersecretary of Education is responsible for splitting up mothers and children at the border in 2017?
That’s the same reasoning. Show that it is not, if you can.
I don’t think it’s a binary. Culpability is relative to one’s role and actions. The severity of state action is also a factor and as that severity increases, culpability expands. I want to be explicit, I hate violence and I wish this had not happened. That being said, such violence is an inevitable consequence of circumstances like what the State of Israel and the US are orchestrating. To quote JFK:
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
Culpability is relative to one’s role and actions.
You stated that these two murder victems “facilitated a genocide”. Then you explained that that was because they worked for the state of Israel.
Now their presumed culpability is relative to their role and actions, which brings us back to the very first question - what were their roles and actions that made them culpable for the genocide in Palestine?
The embassy exists to maintain international support and cooperation in all areas.
Like I’m iffy on all this, I’m smelling some potential antisemitism with the location and everything. But the Israeli embassy to the United states is not bloodless. Their purpose is to maintain positive relations with their largest supplier of arms and armaments. That’s not the only reason they exist, it’s probably not the majority of their interactions. I’m sure they do plenty of good, but it’s one of the goals of their diplomacy. The Israeli embassy to Kenya is far less complicit.
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Mr. Lischinsky specialized in Japanese studies and was an outstanding student, according to Professor Otmazgin. “He was an idealist,” he said. “He wanted to build bridges between Israel and other countries, especially in Asia.”
He grew up in a culturally mixed family with a Jewish father and a Christian mother, and was a practicing Christian, according to Ronen Shoval, the dean of the Argaman Institute for Advanced Studies in Jerusalem, where Mr. Lischinsky participated in a yearlong program in classical liberal conservative thought after earning a master’s degree in government and diplomacy.
“He was a devout Christian,” Dr. Shoval said, “but he had tied his fate to the people of Israel.”
In his application to join the program, which Dr. Shoval shared with The New York Times, Mr. Lischinsky described his upbringing in a multicultural family and “the inner struggles” he faced while growing up in a religious household within secular societies in Germany and Israel.
Hanan Lischinsky said his brother had been considering applying to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ cadet course to train to be a diplomat. People who worked with Mr. Lischinsky in the embassy said that there, he identified as Jewish.
. . . Ms. Milgrim had lived abroad in several places, including in Costa Rica, where she spent time working on a master’s degree program, eventually earning master’s degrees in international affairs and in natural resources and sustainable development.
Like many young Jewish Americans, she and her brother, Jacob, 28, also participated in Birthright Israel, which offers free trips to Israel in an effort to bolster Jewish identity. In Israel, she worked for an organization that connected young Israelis and Palestinians, her father said.
. . . Mr. Milgrim said that his daughter and Mr. Lischinsky were both concerned about peace in the Middle East, the stability of Israel and the plight of Palestinians.
“She was doing what she loved, she was doing good,” her father said. Doing good, he added, is “what brought her life to an end.”
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To the earlier example of the undersecretary of education; they are enabling family separation at the border?
Is it not that complicated?
You are basically advocating for murdering US postal and social service workers…
Nope. Not even close. Stop making stuff up asshole. As I have explained elsewhere on the thread, culpability is relative to role/actions and the severity of the organization’s crimes. I also explained that none of this violence is good. I’m not advocating for violence, I’m explaining that is inevitable when people and organizations perpetuate unbelievable violence, it’s going to blow back. I DONT WANT VIOLENCE. That’s why I’m so outraged at Israel’s fucking violence.
You really are, the US is the primary funder and arms provider of the genocide in Palestine, it is a christo-fascist oligarchy built on multiple genocides and the two largest scale ethnic displacements in world history. Neither of which have had substantive reparations paid for. The state is actively in the process of in large part ethnically motivated murder, mass incarceration, mass displacement, family separation, torture, and placement in concentration camps. By your logic anyone working for that state is culpable and a legitimate target of political violence. Be logically consistent or get out.
I basically agree with you assessment of the US. You are either unaware of or ignoring the nuance I added to the description of my position elsewhere in the thread. But, whatever.
Yeah, that’s a much more reasonable take, it isn’t what you said at first though.
Why don’t you just go work there and get these answers. They got 2 brand new openings lmao.
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RIP to the victims.
By victims, I assume you mean Palestinians?
🤫
So, there’s a lot of things happening in Gaza other than what’s on the nose. Like starvation can cause neurological issues in the brain, in the body. It can even make your hair turn gray. All the stress. During World War I, soldiers came back with a thing called shell shock, and they would just constantly shake all the time. The kids in Gaza are showing symptoms of shell shock. So I could care less about two people getting killed.
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