A family says their newborn son nearly bled to death and is fighting for his life after he was circumcised at a New York City hospital.
Tim and Gabrielle Groth said their son, Cole, underwent the circumcision at NewYork-Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children’s Hospital in Manhattan, where he was born on March 31.
Stop circumcising children. Let men decide if they want to be circumcised when they reach the age of consent at the age of 18. I guarantee circumcision will drop by 95% or more.
And if that’s the case, that circumcision only exists if you don’t give the boy the choice, then don’t fucking force this on an infant!
Let’s replace “curcumsising” with “imposing religion” to get the same result
Yes and no. That’s a much harder thing to argue in reality. I’m an atheist so I’m pretty anti-religion, but the reality is that all parents want to teach their child at least some of their worldview. If that worldview includes religion, who are we to say “no, you can’t teach that”? The child can always change their mind when they’re older and in theory there’s no harm. But a child can’t decide to get their foreskin back. (I know there is a surgery to try to add some back, but it’s just aesthetic, the nerves will never be recovered.)
Crazy idea, don’t do cosmetic surgery on a baby?
Luckily is was almoat, it happens every year. It’s rare but it possible to bleed to death from this
There’s a really easy way to tell whether or not you should decide to circumcise a penis. First, check if it’s your penis. If it isn’t your penis, don’t circumcise it BECAUSE THAT IS NOT YOUR DICK AND YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHICH FLESH BELONGS AND WHICH DOESN’T ON IT.
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My bro had one for medical reason, there’s no problem with that even though we usually dont do it here
I had a foreskin issue where I couldn’t pull it back. Got it removed around age 10. Wasn’t fun but now my captain doesn’t wear his cap to dinner. Looks normal too.
I assumed they were specifically talking about babies. If there’s a genuine issue then it makes sense, but I don’t know of anything that’s diagnosable at birth that would require circumcision.
I know a lot of young adults also get the procedure for the same reason as you. I was in your boat until probably my mid-teens before things fixed themselves, but it clearly doesn’t work out that way for some.
Maybe we should stop routine elective cosmetic penis surgery on infants?
It’s not elective. They baby can’t elect to having part of their genitals cut off.
It’s elective because there’s no medical reason to do it. Babies don’t get to choose anything for themselves. An adult can elect to have a circumcision, and parents can elect to have their babies circumcised. It would be a better world if the latter weren’t true, but that ain’t the kind of world we got.
Stop with the “cosmetic surgery” and call it what it is…genital mutilation!
It’s both. Parents want their babies to have designer penises, so they pay doctors to mutilate them for aesthetic reasons. It is mutilation, and it is cosmetic surgery.
Awful parents.
Stop mutilating your children.
Stupid fucking parents.
Why do they still perform such barbaric rites in the 21st century in the first place?
Genital mutilation should be 100% illegal instead of only applying to girls.
As a Jewish person im absolutely ashamed that my people still practice mutilation. When a tradition causes severe medical problems it should not continue.
Stop
molestingmutilating children would be my advice.*mutilating
Yes of course, edited.
Thanks.Its actually both with traditional Jewish circumcision.
Metzitzah B’peh (Direct Oral Suctioning)
When a baby is circumcised, some ritual Jewish circumcisers (mohelim) do a practice called metzitzah b’peh. Metzitzah b’peh is when the mohel uses their mouth to suck blood away from the baby’s circumcision wound as part of the circumcision ritual. After metzitzah b’peh, some babies can get an infection.
https://www.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/safe-bris.page
Yes the Jewish one is even more disgusting, but this was in a hospital, I hope they don’t have such practices there. 🤮
As a Jewish person there are traditions and practices that are better abandoned
Please be ChatGPT nonsense, please be ChatGPT nonsense. I’m not Googling that shit. :((((
I’m so sorry, it ain’t chatGPT nonsense. And it hits the news every now and then because the practitioners giving blowjobs to infants give them herpes, and the infants sometimes die - like on the ABC news article I linked from 2013.
Its beyond messed up that anyone is OK with it “because tradition”.
It’s ironic because the whole reason I’m even here on lemmy is because I was permabanned from reddit for telling someone to crawl back in their hole because they were defending circumcision while claiming female genital mutilation was abhorrent. As if mutilating a penis is perfectly fine but don’t dare mutilate a vulva.
I know this isn’t the main topic here but it just reminds me that body shaming men is okay but body shaming women isn’t. Especially when it comes to sex organs.
Yeah, I love how everyone loves “big dick energy” and “small dick energy”, but if someone said “loose pussy energy” and “tight pussy energy” it’s practically a hate crime lol.
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Cleeerp cleeerp
Turn around and put your hands behind your back.
STOP RESISTING
Wait… We’re still arresting people for hate crimes?
From recent news I thought committing hate crimes and war crimes should get me a political appointment! I must be doing this wrong.
Hate crimes? No we just decided that your tattoo and lack of criminal record means that you’re a highly connected member of a Venezuela street gang, acting as a foreign operative and combatant on US soil.
Don’t say goodbye to your kids, they’re going with you, unless you can arrange for childcare for the foreseeable future in the next 2 minutes over the phone.
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Oh, and we would tack on a hate-crime charge, plus vulgarity for mentioning body parts in public, but you’re not getting a court date anyway, so don’t worry about those.
How about we just stop insulting anyone’s genitals instead?
That’s the point.
I feel like your argument loses something by being stated backwards. It (and Hacksaws reply) comes off sounding like you are more angry at women than the patriarchy and want to be able to mutilate and body shame them. Rather than what I hope and assume is the case, that you want all genitals protected from mutilation and shaming.
Yeah maybe I missed the /s but I just wanted to show that body shaming and genital mutilation is fucked up and society’s (patriarchy) acceptance of it against men is pretty shitty overall. It would be much better if nobody got body shamed or mutilated non-consentually.
I’m just bringing up the double standard. You’re correct in your assumption that I don’t want ANY genitals being mutilated.
But it’s not patriarchal that circumcision is normalized for aesthetical reasons. Women circumcise their sons because they don’t like uncut penises. I’ve NEVER heard a man say anything like that outside of not wanting their child to feel different because other boys are all circumcised. Women do it for aesthetics. Men do it because of a fear of being different. There’s a difference.
It shouldn’t be done at all but the idea that uncut penises look gross is inherently a woman thing.
I’ve never heard a woman say they did or would have their baby boy circumcised because uncircumcised penises are gross, or any other version of aesthetic reasons. The religious reasons are rooted in the patriarchy, as is the “need” to look like one’s father and male relatives.
In the case of female circumcision, it’s a way of enforcing the position of women as property, making it more apparent if she’s ever had sex so her virginity can be sold to her husband. In its most extreme forms it can require she be cut open in order to give birth, and resewn each time. It can block clumps of menstrual blood and lead to infection and sepsis. In less extreme versions it can prevent her from feeling any pleasure during sex, in order to prevent her from having any except that imposed by her husband.
Anecdotally, I’ve known more mothers who fought for their child not to be circumcised than fathers. I fully encourage men to put their feet down on this issue too. This is very often a battle that the parent who cares more wins on.
Aesthetics are the most often cited reason for male circumcision in the USA. It is rarely medically necessary, and only religiously motivated among Jewish people.
Fathers wanting their boy to look “like all the other little boys” is aesthetics
Fathers and mothers. Both parents need to sign off on the procedure.
It would be aesthetics if fathers did it because they think it looks better. But that’s not what’s happening. They do it over fear that their sons will be ostracised for having different looking dicks. That’s a social reason, not an aesthetic one.
The social situation in which the other naked little boys ostracize the one with a different dick is patriarchal. Must conform to the “normal” masculine standard. Otherwise the fathers could just teach all the little boys to be more accepting.
As for women, I’ve been in plenty of women -only places where there was frank talk about men’s anatomy, and the general consensus has always been, we can love any and all penises as long as the owner isn’t a dick.
I married a woman of jewish descent, she’s not religious in any way though. It was alarming, the amount of people coming up to us and asking us about our child’s dick. Why do people think it’s any of their business? Since they over stepped and asked, I gave them the full answer, complete with how idiotic it is and how anyone who still practices it is a backwards ass religious nut, and how all those other reasons like hygiene are bullshit myths.
“Days after Cole’s birth, doctors placed a stent in him to address a known heart disease he was born with.”
I would wager that if the kid has heart disease and a stent, they likely put him on blood thinners as well. Source: Am on blood thinners following a stent.
How much do you want to bet the asshats who suggested circumcision were blissfully unaware of what happens when you cut someone who is on blood thinners?
