I recognize there is a massive anti incarnation argument (in the US). I agree with many of the points and reasons I’ve heard. That said, murderers, child molesters etcetera are still gonna exist to some degree no matter what. So, without incarnation, what are some options?
I think that incarceration isn’t necessarily problem. It’s who gets incarcerated for what, and how many innocent people mistakenly end up railroaded. Alternatively, cases of affluenza and individuals who help keep the broken system going, are often considered above the law.
Violent offenders should be locked up. All of them, regardless of wealth or connections. But they still deserve to participate in a fair and just legal system.
Nonviolent offenders should be fined, and the amount they’re fined should be equivalent to the crime they’ve committed while taking their own wealth and ability to pay into consideration. If people commit a very serious nonviolent crime, but either can’t or won’t pay off the debt they’re fined, they should have the option of volunteering in their community to pay off their debt. If they fail to pay fines or repay their community via volunteer time, then potentially they should have their wages garnished.
Most importantly though, nobody should be getting insanely wealthy via investments in private prisons. There should be no incentive to simply pack as many people as possible into a prison while pretending that you’ve done something positive for society that also just happens to greatly increase your profits.
Prisons more like European prisons that focuses on rehabilitation not isolation. Not slave labour camps the Americans call jails.
Yeah that seems reasonable. Definitely agree on how fucked up using prisoner labor is.
Not all can be rehabilitated: some just are wired THAT different, & butcher people for fun, because that’s the way they’re wired.
Ignoring that is the making-believing that makes such believers into accessory-to-murder when the not-contained serial-murderer murders yet-another.
There was a story, maybe a few years ago, a woman who wouldn’t accept that an inmate was really destructive-of-life, she befriended him, & got butchered.
Leftist got ate by leopards.
( it isn’t only the right which demonstrates idiocy! )
The problem is that categories exist, & our whole system is pretending that it’s a spectrum, instead of distinct-categories, with spectrums … sorta-overlapping … each category.
Some absolutely need to be permanently segregated from communities.
& the idiocy of putting people into a criminality-manufacturing-pressure-cooker while gaslighting about that somehow being “corrections”, needs to be terminated.
Correct the problem-motivation/wrong-mental-function, aversion-therapy may well be part of that, but don’t increase the criminality in them, & do offer them humanness-improvement opportunity & asssitance.
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how would you deal with murderers, rapists, child predators
okay… interesting question…
and jaywalkers
Wat? 🧐
Just a silly addition to add some levity to a very serious topic/question.
People have no sense of humor. I’m still surprised that no “smart aleck” has corrected you on the “encarnation” thing.
Why the downvotes? It is a perfectly reasonable topic to discuss, and an interesting one at that.
I’d be willing to bet part of it is the fact when I comment or post in shitpost/memes I troll. So lots of people have tagged me with “bad faith” “troll”, etcetera. When I post/comment here and in serious communities I speak genuinely. My over a dozen posts and 1500+ comments here and in serious communities are proof of that. However, that doesn’t dissuade them from thinking I can’t switch to serious. Idk personally if I couldn’t code switch well I literally wouldn’t have survived my childhood. So its just kind of natural for me to speak differently in different environments. Which is how I view communities here. I think the same type of folks will downvote it because I included jaywalking to keep it somewhat light.
Yeah that’s not complicated to understand… Some people take their lives on internet forums far to seriously 🤣…
Yeah, I’m currently trying to get one to stop interacting with me.
Sounds about right, good luck haha!
As a convicted jaywalker and registered pedestrian offender I feel seen. Thanks chip!
I got you.
You could do what the US does and elect them into office.
One of the things is not like the others…
Tell the murderers and child molesters: We’re letting you go with a warning this time. But if you even think about anything reprehensible again, we’ll lock you up with the JAYWALKERS.
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I’d do a Royal Rumble. Throw them all in the ring together and let it sort itself out.
Any one of these celestial bodies:
I don’t click links, what’s the video called?
Death penalty on the spot, no exceptions.
EDIT: Just realized I wasn’t clear. I meant for the jay walkers.
Well that seems like a bad idea, if you’re being serious. I am on the side of executing “proven” serial rapists, serial murders and serial child predators. The issue is if the state allows killing people eventually someone innocent will end up on the block. Which is completely unacceptable.
While I don’t have a problem with executions, the evidentiary standards to prevent innocent deaths make the practice essentially arbitrary. It’s better and more affordable to just lock them away forever. Some countries do go so far as to always allow a possibility of parole, but I don’t think their methods would translate as well to other nations.
