If my body wasn’t so busted I would prefer general labor. Over almost any desk job. I hate it. I don’t have a chat section. At least with general labor i felt like i actually did something of worth at the end of the day.
Same. I miss being a barista making handcrafted drinks, but the pay was shit, honestly.
The funnest job I’ve ever had was delivering pizzas.
I used to make insulation and now I look after linux servers. I don’t agree with lol
Keep it going, almost at 500 comments. Every single one is incorrect.
steamers when their job is to play video games for a few hours and make 1000s of dollars 😭
i challenge you to suffer his stupid fucking chat for a day… a lot of people would prefer back breaking labor.
No
I feel he’s comparing streaming to white collar jobs, not blue collar jobs. I often refer to my white collar job as my first “real job” because it was the first job I got involving my degree. Prior to that my blue collar jobs where I worked as a “janitor” or in a deli were just part time work to get some spending money.
Ironically, or perhaps not depending on your perspective, having every statement you make over analyzed because your profession is just constantly making statements live can certainly be soul sucking. I think this post is evidence of that. You have to constantly make sure you don’t say things that can get clipped in a way that will make you look bad.
Judging by his other statements, I find it hard to believe he’s saying that hard manual labor is easy work that isn’t soul sucking.
Nah
Nah to which part?
The incorrect part
Which part do you think is incorrect though?
The part where you said the thing that was wrong
I do think the streamer may have a point, but only in a bullshit jobs way. A job that actually improves the world has a sense of satisfaction that a job that’s either harmful or pointless lacks, and the latter does some damage to the psyche
That said, he could you know, change careers
But then he might chip his manicure
He could probably get a desk job career that feels meaningful
I find it hard to think of any job that would feel meaningful, under capitalism–which is the only system I have experience with. Certainly no job I’ve ever had has felt so. Sure, I could lie to myself that looking at the work from a narrow view, from a certain angle, and in the right light, potential meaning beyond just making the rich richer, and eking out an existence for myself could be occasionally glimpsed, but that was always an obvious lie.
Mine feels good, provide electricity to thousands.
Have you considered plumbing? Civil engineering? Becoming a physician or nurse? Installing solar panels? Even a fair amount of manufacturing does something that the world is better off for having it, and within that, supportive work is still meaningful because it enables that good to happen.
Yes, the distribution of resources and organization of labor are alienating in our society, but there’s work that improves the world and there’s satisfaction in doing it.
Healthcare was meaningful until they went corporate model now it sucks (admin/IT side)
You say chip, what’s up?
I’ve actually attempted live streaming. It totally sucks the joy out of sitting in front of a computer and zoning out playing your game. You start to go “Oh no I can’t play this game cuz I’m playing it on stream.”
I wasn’t majorly successful but I still made affiliate and had some regular watchers. The pressure to create content and be entertaining and stay engaged was too much for me and continue doing it all for the paltry sums that I was getting.
I could also feel the pressure to become someone I’m not to reach more people. Something I refused to do. In the end though I made enough money streaming to make up for all the equipment I bought for it. I ran out of real time to stream when I got a new job that demanded more time from me. I am making so much more money so much faster by just clocking in and out every day and i feel like I’m building my skills in the field I’m in instead of making me hate my entertainment options.
Aside from the streamdeck, which tbh i coulda memorized some keyboard commands instead, I can justify the other streaming related buys like the webcam and fancy mic with the boom arm and pop filter as being useful if a bit extra for other shit.
I get dogwater viewers but I just shoot the shit and play stuff I was going to play anyhow so its a few extra bucks to play with some buddies on the proverbial couch heckling or rooting for me as the case may be.
I get that but like doing the same shit with excel and no audience instead also fucking sucks lol
True but when you have a moment where you just need to sit lean back, stretch, and say “argh I fucking hate excel”, you don’t have an audience arguing that you should love it. Or maybe you do have an audience but it’s colleagues who have similar experience and can commiserate or give advice about the latest annoyance if they know a trick.
well imagine theres like 15 people back seat driving your spreadsheets
Given how much I disagree with myself I effectively have that for everything. When I say everything I mean everything, can’t even jack off to porn without some stupid gremlin side of my psyche telling me 1/10 acting is shit not enough foreplay.
One guy I still really like to watch hit the perfect stride. He has a real job now, but he occasionally streams based on when he feels like, and has a pretty dedicated, very small, group of followers he feels safe around. He’s fine with ending stream early if there’s no real vibe.
He used to be much bigger, so he has the experience; he’s just fine with downsizing a bit, playing variety games, etc.
I think there is a lot to be said for the emotional load someone like Hasan deals with. We are talking thousands of death threats and vitriol, swatting, psyops, debate bros etc etc. The soul sucking is mental and different, not going to assume this was him saying he has it harder like this out of context meme is trying to portray.
Its very much the same as standup comedy. Its 100% you.
If people dont watch its because YOU arent entertaining enough, YOU arent likeable enough, YOU arent putting in enough effort and energy, YOU dont bring anything new to the table, YOU dont take enough risks… Theres no team, theres no band, theres no coworkers, its all on you. Thats a lot to hang your entire livelihood on.
I could only do streaming or a YT if I had “never work again” money because without the pressure I probably could be fun and entertaining the whole time.
The fuck he does. He’s a literal multimillionaire who grifts for a living from the comfort of his own home. You think someone like him goes on Twitter or Reddit and reads what people say about him? He barely interacts with the public outside of his streams, he has one of the most stress free jobs in the world. Emotional load my ass, the only pressure he has is to keep up his persona and to grow his audience which is a very privileged position to be in.
Genuinely what is wrong with you that you think getting constant death threats and harassment is “stress free”?
He’s a professional provocateur. He knows what he’s doing, and he voluntarily chooses to keep doing it anyway. You’re making it sound like he doesn’t have always have the option to retreat to a private life at any time if he chooses to.
So why does it being voluntary mean the job can’t be soul sucking. I could quit my job and live off benefits for the rest of my life if I wanted to, so can I not complain about my job?
In his case, he could quit his job and work a normal, more low profile job or he could just straight up retire entirely since he has the money do so. He’s not in a position where he’s forced to do anything. He’s not some victim in poor victim who’s worthy of unconditional empathy. He’s not living paycheck to paycheck, he doesn’t do steaming because he has to, he doesn’t have to pay attention to what people say online, and he doesn’t have to keep streaming. He’s consciously choosing to do it, this is something that he clearly enjoys.
You still haven’t actually answered the question. You just keep repeating that he doesn’t have to do it if he doesn’t want to. But he does want to and he does do it, he’ll he probably enjoys it on the whole, but why does that mean the job can’t be draining and stressful?
Thats not true
Nah he’s right. I’m in a friend circle that includes a lot of content creators and the burnout is so palpable, they can’t even take real holidays because if they do the algorithm fucks them over. Then the guy in the group who’s effectively a Janitor is the happiest and well adjusted and he loves his job.
Are any of your content creator friends trying to get other jobs?
Yeah, most of them are actually artists primarily, but getting a stable job in art is quite hard.
Best of luck to them, then.
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The person in OP’s picture could retire today and never work again. So clearly it’s not “sucking out his soul” since it’s entirely voluntary.
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He’s also talking specifically about streaming which is the absolute lowest common denominator of online content. Like people just flip on OBS and record themselves playing games or eating or reacting to other content, literally just things they would be doing anyways even if they weren’t recording. No one is owed the ability to make money streaming and it’s hard to find a “real job” that provides less value to society than streaming.
- The person in OP’s picture could retire today and never work again. So clearly it’s not “sucking out his soul” since it’s entirely voluntary.
I mean, debatable, hassas is like early 30s and if we make the big big assumption he has $1m in actual savings, then he would have to live for another 50 years just to make it into his 80s which would come out to about $20k/year not considering investments or inflation or anything. So not realistically enough to retire on.
Even if we assume he can retire to a life of luxury, does it being voluntary mean it can’t be a soul sucking? Like my country has a good benefits program and I’m disabled, so I could live the rest of my life on benefits if I wanted to, does that mean I can’t complain about my job and that it can’t be soul destroying?
The effort of actual streaming is only part of the job and it’s still tough to engage with people and be entertaining for hours and hours every day. Like have you not been in a social situation where you have to put on airs? It’s exhausting.
hassas is like early 30s and if we make the big big assumption he has $1m in actual savings
Bro please Hasan was in the top 5 most hours watched on Twitch last year. Twitch leaks from 2021 (5 years ago when he was “smaller”) show he made $3 million just from ads, not even counting any other sponsorships or deals he had.
And he’s got you out here thinking that he “might, just maybe, if we really stretch belief” have $1 million total net worth. It would be comical if it wasn’t so sad.
This is exactly why streaming is so disgusting. You’re carrying water for a guy who is a multi multi millionaire because you have a parasocial relationship with him and think he’s your friend.
AFAIK he doesn’t run AD’s. Watching him for a year now. I’ve never seen any sponsored content. Maybe he gets money from the politicians he interviews on stream but I doubt it. He only invites those who he has a serious interest in growing their platform. He doesn’t seem to sell out. He regularly mentions his work is solely sponsored by his viewers. I don’t claim that he isn’t a multi millionaire but I don’t see how this invalidates his positions or work.
Okay, firstly I need you to understand I have not watched a single second of a Hassan stream and basically everything I know about him I have learned involuntarily. So your personal attacks about my “parasocial relationship” are entirely unfounded.
But again as I said. Even if he does have enough to retire in luxury why does that mean his job can’t be would destroying? Hassan especially receives an enormous amount of death threats, hate and harassment and streaming in general is very draining.
It’s surprising that more political science majors that want to make a difference to society aren’t working at an Amazon warehouse instead of streaming.
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I can absolutely see this. Viewers are expecting something new every time they check your page. If you aren’t active for a week they may stop checking.
LOL, they can’t take holidays? I can’t either, show me who can afford holidays… I haven’t been on holiday in a decade. At least they can pay their bills ffs, unlike me.
I get PTO and my job is maybe two steps above flipping burgers. I ain’t going overseas but I can deffo take a vacation. If you’re in a red state or otherwise victim to similar ratfuckery, my condolensces friend.
???
All my other friends? I’m on a very average wage and can take holidays, I have a friend’s that on like 1k/year over minimum who’s going to Japan later this year.
Scream out of touch louder. In the US (where Hasan is so its the pertinent example) federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour, thats 16,080 a year, add 1000 and you’re saying your friend can afford to pay all their bills and a trip to Japan? The state with the highest minimum wage is Washington at 17.13 hourly total annual being 35,630, add 1,000 36,630. You’re saying thats not only a livable wage in that state but one high enough to afford a trip to Japan? Your friend is putting it on a credit card or they don’t have any of the bills associated with being an adult.
Americans still don’t understand there are other countries that exist.
Boooooo you stink. We are talking about hasan and you are trying to apply whatever your country (which is undeniably a significantly smaller number of people) to all countries by making the statement you’ve made based on your sub 1% incredibly high level of privilege. Your niche example can’t apply to the other 7.5 billion at least humans.
which is undeniably a significantly smaller number of people
What if I’m actually from China?
Well china doesn’t have a national minimum wage so I have no idea what you’d be referencing when stating 1000 above minimum. Highest city minimum wage set is Beijing, its 4 USD an hour. Not sure how that would pay all your bills and afford a vacation to Japan. Japan by the way has a minimum wage of around 2 times that. So, the money would stretch significantly shorter outside of just accommodations. You’re also ignoring the rest of what I said so you continue to stink. Your stance was that anyone making “average” wage can afford international travel and vacations.
lmao??
Sup babe?
This went from mild take to existential crisis real fast 😭
“A real job” I guess does a lot of work here.
There’s nothing more demoralizing than being on a “make work” job, where you’re so silod off from the world there’s no connection from what you do to any meaningful outcome.
And that defines an incredibly large chunk of corporate jobs.
It’s why in goulogs and concentration camps they make prisoners break rocks.
also “in the same way” - that’s a broad net
Breaks my heart witnessing the struggle he has to go through day by day, selflessly giving his all, slaving away under the thumb of damn capitalist pigs. Stay strong comrade, working class unite 🫶
And I thought I was being a good troll.
Damn almost ragebaited me, good shit
Stop giving fuckheads attention. It’s the only way we can prevent further idiocracy. Attention focus matters.
Hell no
chat, is this real??
Yes and no. He’s definitely said similar comments, which are relatively true but has often acknowledged how privilege he is to be able to do this as a job. Dipshits like OP will deliberately avoid mentioning this.
Maybe
I don’t have any further context, but he’s got a point.
Sure, physical jobs are physically demanding and the monotony can be taxing. Even customer service jobs are mentally and emotionally taxing, but at the end of the day you’re just a rando in a uniform. You’re selling your skills and labor, you can be yourself off the clock.
Streaming is selling your personality, your perspectives, your values. With lots of viewers, you’re exposing yourself to criticism for every opinion you express. You basically live every day with your identity under the microscope of thousands of anonymous critics. Either you deal with constant character attacks, or you commodify your personality until it’s basically unrecognizable.
“Real jobs” don’t really attack your soul in the same way, because your soul isn’t the product. Aside from certain kinds of celebrities that are basically streamers anyway, it is a pretty unique struggle. At least actors are portraying characters, and can separate themselves from their roles. Streamers are the roles. The line between self and curated content is pretty heavily blurred, it really is a singular kind of soul-sucking.
No, he doesn’t. What kind of out of touch, giga privileged perspective is that?
Being a streamer is one of the most comfortable careers in the world. You get to set your own times, you get to be your own boss, you get to do it from the comfort of your own home, and you get to keep all the money you make. That type of freedom, ownership, and flexibility is something that most people could only dream of. The very idea of owning your own businesses and making a good living from it is very appealing, which is so many people try to be content creators.
Most people fail at it because they don’t treat it like a serious job, they think just putting a camera in front of them is enough for the money to start rolling in, but that’s never true. Professional streamers, like Hasan, treat it like a real job. You have this misconception that streaming becomes your life, but that’s not true. Professional streamers have very firm boundaries between their personal lives and their work. They follow very strict streaming and uploading schedules, they have carefully curated and tweaked online persona that’s designed to attract and maintain an audience, and they’re very careful to not do anything that hurts their brand image with their core audience. They also make sure to never interact with or seek out how people talk about them online, because going down that rabbit hole will lead to your career’s demise, so most professionals don’t do this.
So the struggles that you’re attributing to Hasan aren’t really there. He has a private life different from his career, his streaming persona is different from his real personality, and he intentionally ignores what people say about him online. Does streaming require effort and commitment? Sure. Does it come with its own pressure and risks? Sure, it’s like any other job. Is it soul sucking? Not in the least.
Compare streaming to something actually soul sucking like construction work. As a construction worker, you have to commute to the construction site 5 days a week, you have to work long shifts outside, you get little to no breaks, you have deal with annoying managers who micromanage everything you do, you have to work your ass off to meet very tight deadlines or else you could get fired, you have to deal with loud noises and strong smells all day, you work in a dangerous environment that requires you to be alert at all time, you have to constantly lift and move heavy things and do physical maneuvers that are taxing on the body for long periods of time… all for paycheck that’s just a bit over minimum wage. When you clock out, you’re so exhausted physically and mentally, you feel like a zombie. You can’t do anything for the rest of the day besides eating a meal, taking a shower, and going to sleep… because you have to repeat everything again the next day and the next and the next. Before you know it, years have passed and you life hasn’t progressed at all because you don’t have time, money, or energy to do anything. Now THAT is soul sucking.
Calling streaming soul sucking feels very off to me. You don’t understand just how many people are willing to give up their crappy jobs to become streaming provocateurs.
