Regularly scheduled warning but chiropractor is not a real doctor and can paralyze you for life. You would receive equal or better results with massotherapy.
Back in my old city, which has a large Chinese population, I went to a physical therapist a few times for a hurt back. The staff didn’t really speak English, but it was covered by workers compensation so I gave it a go. Those people were absolute magicians, I tell ya. I’m not exactly sure what they were doing, as I was almost always laying face down, but I’m pretty sure it involved needles, and they definitely did some electroshock therapy, but boy did it work great. I just let them do their thing, and it really seemed to help along the healing process.
Massotherapy is like deep tissue massage and stuff. If I understand correctly it’s basically just really advanced actually medical based massage that people get licensed for. I’m just going off of memory though you might get better mileage out of actually looking it up.
regularly scheduled reminder that real Chiropractors are highly trained and not paid extra money to prescribe you a medication that has a warning label that includes the very minor side effects of… may cause: dizziness, nausea, rashes, cancer, and a mild case of death.
Chiropractors are not doctors in any shape or form. There is no scientific data to backup the idea that popping random joints somehow cures illnesses. They’re nothing more than snake oil salesmen who have no clue WTF they’re actually doing.
Not to defend chiropractors or anything, but they legitimately have a doctorate degree and are given the title Chiropractic Physician.
Whether their studies they do in school are nonsense, they do get a degree for it. So they are technically doctors in some shape or form.
Honestly there is likely some small value in what they do, but that small value has almost definitely been absorbed into the Doctor of Osteopathy (actually medical doctor-like role), so I don’t see the need for them. Definitely think physical therapists are much more beneficial.
this is my general impression too, the origins of the practice is kinda bunk and it’s probably not worth the risk for a lot of people. I particularly dislike that a lot of people will see a chiropractor for pain before they’ll consider seeing a PT.
that being said, there are individual chiros out there that do good work. The main person I go to for non-chiro bodywork, who really knows her shit, sees a chiro herself and highly credits them for her recovery from pretty severe spinal issues. I’d probably see one only if I was referred from someone I trust.
but generally speaking there’s other alternative therapies I’d recommend over seeing just any random chiro. Acupuncture can be a game changer, and is starting to become less “alternative” as some PTs offer “dry needling” now. Craniosacral work can be great for some too, it’s a very gentle form of bodywork that can have a big impact nonetheless. Both of those are a lot less focused on manual adjustment, lowering the risk significantly.
You’ll find more study in the West of “dry needling”, a technique directly inspired by acupuncture. Here’s one recent review.
I see an acupuncturist because the results for me are great, she’s good at what she does, she does believe in germ theory, she practices in a sanitary way, and she doesn’t claim to cure illnesses. These are the norms for modern licensed acupuncturists. I’m not saying every acupuncturist out there is like this, hokey grifters do exist in alt medicine spaces, and that’s kind of my whole point. It really depends on the practitioner.
Many of those studies in that meta analysis show limited short term effects.
Because there is no widely accepted sham protocol for DN research, researchers should incorporate cognitive influences that extend beyond the mimicking of tactile sensations to create a believable simulation of active dry needling.
I also think there’s a serious question about what sham/placebo dry needling would be, and if inconsistent standards could impact results.
Several did show some positive short term effects, but it’s no surprise that several don’t. Dry needling isn’t going to cure pain on its own or work for everyone, much like other forms of bodywork. Individual results vary and it needs to be done over a long period of time alongside other work to restore stability and mobility. A supplementary treatment just needs to be low-risk, accessible, and possibly beneficial enough to try. The risks associated with dry needling are less severe than those of several common PT interventions such as corticosteroid injections. To say nothing of the risks associated with chiropractic.
The lack of a standardized placebo is a problem, yes. This study had pretty good results from using a blunted needle glued in an introducer. The patient feels the sensation of the introducer being pressed against skin and “pistoned” in, but the needle doesn’t actually make contact. In the group of people who had not received dry needling before, only one correctly identified that they had received the placebo.
And the origin of doctors thought that draining the body of blood helped cure any and all illnesses. and the origin of most surgeries used today were developed by a Nazi who experimented on Jews.
educate yourself.
it’s sad how many idiots think that an origin of a particular activity decides whether or not you should use it.
here is a link from the very group who claimed that Chiropractors were charlatans. it’s an interesting read that shows how the American Medical Association did every unethical thing they could to discredit chiropractors.
I did look up the main modern day opponents of chiropractic care. they all belonged to the same faction that did a bunch of unethical shit like straight up publishing fake deaths and injuries.
it and the cases involved are an interesting study. one that discredits 90% of all “Chiropractic care is harm” medical news stories.
Found the unlicensed chiropractor. Get bent dude. Chiropractors have caused more pain and suffering to people than they have ever helped. They’re nothing more than glorified physical therapists.
Also its a pretty pathetic look for you that you have to make this political.
found the idiot who thinks that anyone supporting real facts is a fake.
taken straight from a medical journal funded by real medical research not RFK style research (aka not from the hacks that say that vaccines and pills created autism) for orthopedics: Chiropractic care is an evidence based effective option for spine and joint injuries.
the only hack Chiropractors O have found are a bunch of Americans. Every other country in the world recognizes both chiropractors and alternative medicine as valid options. but I wouldn’t expect a fake leftist like you who gets his facts from Fox News to know the difference between fact and propaganda.
Clearly you never paid any attention to chiropractic studies made in the past 10 years.
Chiropractors treat physical injuries and can manage neurological issues if properly trained. there are only 17 chiropractors in America who have that training as they received that training after the 2019 conferences. but it is widely used in Europe for more than 10 years.
the only “chiropractors” who claim to cure cancer are the same idiots had medical licenses revoked.
just because you and a few other idiots got scammed because you couldn’t even bother with a simple google search… does not make all chiropractors hacks. hell with a single google search I can find over 2000 quack doctors that mainstream medical professionals swear are real.
I find it sad that you lot are spreading misinformation and lies when it serves your own narrative. makes you sound just like the standard incel who says “Tylenol causes autism. it is truth. internets says it’s true. durr durr”.
My facts come from published medical journals. not the first page of google which is mostly AI slop, paid advertisements, and “studies” that were all debunked or discredited weeks after being published.
but it’s ok. I know that most people can’t spring for the money needed to access Medical Journals (only about 28-30% of medical journals are open sourced and free).
Half the time when I read a medical journal that says that anything other than Western Medicine (pills and chemicals) are run by quacks… the study is paid for Big Pharma (obviously they will rarely publish anything that doesn’t profit them). and 25% of the time… within a year there are multiple studies and medical journals published debunking the first one. the rest of the time the Medical Journals state that while Alternative medicine doesn’t cure cancer or cure incurable diseases, the alternative medicines can slow down symptoms. Every Medical Journal I have found published over the last decade has even stated that Wholistic Chiropractors (different from mainstream chiropractors) can treat the aftermath of injuries including broken bones and torn muscles more effectively than Physical Therapy. they can’t fix the physical damage but once the bone or muscle heals (please do go to the ER and get a cast or an immobilizer), the chiropractors can break the patterns your body gets used to when injured.
What most people criticize chiropractors for is feeling pain after a session. most of the time what really happens is that the body gets shocked and remembers to start using a muscle that it has been bypassing due to nerves screaming in pain. sure it does hurt at first sometimes… but it’s like taking a new medication. you have to tailor the dose and type of medication to your specific situation. a doctor often tries multiple medications over time until one works since not everyone responds the the same medication the exact same way. chiropractors do the same thing. they make an adjustment, see how your body responds, and modified their approach till it works.
take Citalopram for example. In most cases it helps as an antidepressant. but there are cases where it doesn’t work or makes things worse. or say different cancer treatments… same thing happens. not everyone responds to the treatment the same way 100% of the time.
Most people go to a Clinical style of Chiropractors which works for some but not others. and when that chiropractor’s particular style doesn’t work. they say all chiropractors are bad. it’s like eating a bad batch of shrimp and saying that all shrimp are bad.
I’ve gone to 7 different chiropractors over a 20 year period. the Clinical ones that use tools… they don’t work for me. my skin literally crawls after adjustments and my knee always hurts afterwards. But the wholistic ones that press on pressure points and make small adjustments to the spine and use that pogo stick looking tool (idk it’s name) they work for me… no skin crawling and no joint pain. it’s just that the closest one to me currently… is about 60 miles away. too far to drive over and back once a week. My best friend… any time she goes to a more clinical chiropractor, she’s fine. but wholistic ones don’t work well for her.
Regularly scheduled warning but chiropractor is not a real doctor and can paralyze you for life. You would receive equal or better results with massotherapy.
Also the guy who invented it learned the practice from a ghost during a seance
you’re fucking with me, right?
Is that another name for physical therapy?
Back in my old city, which has a large Chinese population, I went to a physical therapist a few times for a hurt back. The staff didn’t really speak English, but it was covered by workers compensation so I gave it a go. Those people were absolute magicians, I tell ya. I’m not exactly sure what they were doing, as I was almost always laying face down, but I’m pretty sure it involved needles, and they definitely did some electroshock therapy, but boy did it work great. I just let them do their thing, and it really seemed to help along the healing process.
Massotherapy is like deep tissue massage and stuff. If I understand correctly it’s basically just really advanced actually medical based massage that people get licensed for. I’m just going off of memory though you might get better mileage out of actually looking it up.
regularly scheduled reminder that real Chiropractors are highly trained and not paid extra money to prescribe you a medication that has a warning label that includes the very minor side effects of… may cause: dizziness, nausea, rashes, cancer, and a mild case of death.
Chiropractors are not doctors in any shape or form. There is no scientific data to backup the idea that popping random joints somehow cures illnesses. They’re nothing more than snake oil salesmen who have no clue WTF they’re actually doing.
Not to defend chiropractors or anything, but they legitimately have a doctorate degree and are given the title Chiropractic Physician.
Whether their studies they do in school are nonsense, they do get a degree for it. So they are technically doctors in some shape or form.
Honestly there is likely some small value in what they do, but that small value has almost definitely been absorbed into the Doctor of Osteopathy (actually medical doctor-like role), so I don’t see the need for them. Definitely think physical therapists are much more beneficial.
this is my general impression too, the origins of the practice is kinda bunk and it’s probably not worth the risk for a lot of people. I particularly dislike that a lot of people will see a chiropractor for pain before they’ll consider seeing a PT.
that being said, there are individual chiros out there that do good work. The main person I go to for non-chiro bodywork, who really knows her shit, sees a chiro herself and highly credits them for her recovery from pretty severe spinal issues. I’d probably see one only if I was referred from someone I trust.
but generally speaking there’s other alternative therapies I’d recommend over seeing just any random chiro. Acupuncture can be a game changer, and is starting to become less “alternative” as some PTs offer “dry needling” now. Craniosacral work can be great for some too, it’s a very gentle form of bodywork that can have a big impact nonetheless. Both of those are a lot less focused on manual adjustment, lowering the risk significantly.
Why would you let someone who doesn’t believe in germ theory put needles in your body?
There is no evidence justifying acupuncture.
You’ll find more study in the West of “dry needling”, a technique directly inspired by acupuncture. Here’s one recent review.
I see an acupuncturist because the results for me are great, she’s good at what she does, she does believe in germ theory, she practices in a sanitary way, and she doesn’t claim to cure illnesses. These are the norms for modern licensed acupuncturists. I’m not saying every acupuncturist out there is like this, hokey grifters do exist in alt medicine spaces, and that’s kind of my whole point. It really depends on the practitioner.
Many of those studies in that meta analysis show limited short term effects.
I also think there’s a serious question about what sham/placebo dry needling would be, and if inconsistent standards could impact results.
Several did show some positive short term effects, but it’s no surprise that several don’t. Dry needling isn’t going to cure pain on its own or work for everyone, much like other forms of bodywork. Individual results vary and it needs to be done over a long period of time alongside other work to restore stability and mobility. A supplementary treatment just needs to be low-risk, accessible, and possibly beneficial enough to try. The risks associated with dry needling are less severe than those of several common PT interventions such as corticosteroid injections. To say nothing of the risks associated with chiropractic.
The lack of a standardized placebo is a problem, yes. This study had pretty good results from using a blunted needle glued in an introducer. The patient feels the sensation of the introducer being pressed against skin and “pistoned” in, but the needle doesn’t actually make contact. In the group of people who had not received dry needling before, only one correctly identified that they had received the placebo.
correction: chiropractors are not backed by studies funded by people who own companies that require you to pop pills for long periods of time.
remember that. and stop burying your heads in the sand like republicans do. it’s a sad and pathetic look for you.
The inventor of chiropractic practices literally said that a ghost taught it to him during a seance. Please educate yourself.
And the origin of doctors thought that draining the body of blood helped cure any and all illnesses. and the origin of most surgeries used today were developed by a Nazi who experimented on Jews.
educate yourself.
it’s sad how many idiots think that an origin of a particular activity decides whether or not you should use it.
Chiropractors still use the ghost-taught tricks. Doctors moved on to use scientifically proven practices. They are not the same.
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/chiropractics-fight-survival/2011-06
here is a link from the very group who claimed that Chiropractors were charlatans. it’s an interesting read that shows how the American Medical Association did every unethical thing they could to discredit chiropractors.
I did look up the main modern day opponents of chiropractic care. they all belonged to the same faction that did a bunch of unethical shit like straight up publishing fake deaths and injuries.
it and the cases involved are an interesting study. one that discredits 90% of all “Chiropractic care is harm” medical news stories.
Found the unlicensed chiropractor. Get bent dude. Chiropractors have caused more pain and suffering to people than they have ever helped. They’re nothing more than glorified physical therapists.
Also its a pretty pathetic look for you that you have to make this political.
found the idiot who thinks that anyone supporting real facts is a fake.
taken straight from a medical journal funded by real medical research not RFK style research (aka not from the hacks that say that vaccines and pills created autism) for orthopedics: Chiropractic care is an evidence based effective option for spine and joint injuries.
the only hack Chiropractors O have found are a bunch of Americans. Every other country in the world recognizes both chiropractors and alternative medicine as valid options. but I wouldn’t expect a fake leftist like you who gets his facts from Fox News to know the difference between fact and propaganda.
Bullshit. Chiropractors cannot prevent or cure any disease or condition. They can help you manage lower back pain. That’s it.
Thanks to immunotherapy, I am now four and a half years cancer free. See if a chiropractor can do that.
Clearly you never paid any attention to chiropractic studies made in the past 10 years.
Chiropractors treat physical injuries and can manage neurological issues if properly trained. there are only 17 chiropractors in America who have that training as they received that training after the 2019 conferences. but it is widely used in Europe for more than 10 years.
the only “chiropractors” who claim to cure cancer are the same idiots had medical licenses revoked.
just because you and a few other idiots got scammed because you couldn’t even bother with a simple google search… does not make all chiropractors hacks. hell with a single google search I can find over 2000 quack doctors that mainstream medical professionals swear are real.
I find it sad that you lot are spreading misinformation and lies when it serves your own narrative. makes you sound just like the standard incel who says “Tylenol causes autism. it is truth. internets says it’s true. durr durr”.
how pathetic can you lot get?
You obviously let that chiropractor crack your neck a few times too many.
You’re feisty and assertive, pretty good, but your analogies need work. Less guessing more facts
My facts come from published medical journals. not the first page of google which is mostly AI slop, paid advertisements, and “studies” that were all debunked or discredited weeks after being published.
but it’s ok. I know that most people can’t spring for the money needed to access Medical Journals (only about 28-30% of medical journals are open sourced and free).
Half the time when I read a medical journal that says that anything other than Western Medicine (pills and chemicals) are run by quacks… the study is paid for Big Pharma (obviously they will rarely publish anything that doesn’t profit them). and 25% of the time… within a year there are multiple studies and medical journals published debunking the first one. the rest of the time the Medical Journals state that while Alternative medicine doesn’t cure cancer or cure incurable diseases, the alternative medicines can slow down symptoms. Every Medical Journal I have found published over the last decade has even stated that Wholistic Chiropractors (different from mainstream chiropractors) can treat the aftermath of injuries including broken bones and torn muscles more effectively than Physical Therapy. they can’t fix the physical damage but once the bone or muscle heals (please do go to the ER and get a cast or an immobilizer), the chiropractors can break the patterns your body gets used to when injured.
What most people criticize chiropractors for is feeling pain after a session. most of the time what really happens is that the body gets shocked and remembers to start using a muscle that it has been bypassing due to nerves screaming in pain. sure it does hurt at first sometimes… but it’s like taking a new medication. you have to tailor the dose and type of medication to your specific situation. a doctor often tries multiple medications over time until one works since not everyone responds the the same medication the exact same way. chiropractors do the same thing. they make an adjustment, see how your body responds, and modified their approach till it works.
take Citalopram for example. In most cases it helps as an antidepressant. but there are cases where it doesn’t work or makes things worse. or say different cancer treatments… same thing happens. not everyone responds to the treatment the same way 100% of the time.
Most people go to a Clinical style of Chiropractors which works for some but not others. and when that chiropractor’s particular style doesn’t work. they say all chiropractors are bad. it’s like eating a bad batch of shrimp and saying that all shrimp are bad.
I’ve gone to 7 different chiropractors over a 20 year period. the Clinical ones that use tools… they don’t work for me. my skin literally crawls after adjustments and my knee always hurts afterwards. But the wholistic ones that press on pressure points and make small adjustments to the spine and use that pogo stick looking tool (idk it’s name) they work for me… no skin crawling and no joint pain. it’s just that the closest one to me currently… is about 60 miles away. too far to drive over and back once a week. My best friend… any time she goes to a more clinical chiropractor, she’s fine. but wholistic ones don’t work well for her.