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    Wright posted that “the US Navy successfully escorted an oil tanker through the Strait of Hormuz to ensure oil remains flowing to global markets,” crediting President Donald Trump with “maintaining stability of global energy during the military operations against Iran.”

    Within hours, a senior source in the IRGC’s naval force told Iranian outlet Iran Now that the claim “has no basis in truth,” insisting that no US-escorted tanker had transited the strait.

    The source described the announcement as part of a “media war and attempts to mislead public opinion,” adding that the strait remains under “precise surveillance” by Iranian forces and that “any military movement in the area is fully monitored.”

    Wright subsequently deleted the post without public explanation, undermining a week of administration messaging aimed at convincing the world that commercial traffic would soon resume.

    For an administration that relies so heavily on propaganda lies, they are remarkably terrible at lying.

    In any case, even if it were true and not a pathetic lie, Donald Trump would deserve no credit for slightly mitigating the problems Donald Trump caused when Donald Trump decided to start bombing Iran and slaughtering its civilians.

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      The trick is the people they’re lying to won’t look past the surface, so the lie does not have to be good.

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        Some people just want to believe I guess. Like they could start pushing lies that trump cured cancer and there would be some people that believed it with no credible evidence even as they died from cancer. The media would spin words to make it not sound like complete fabrication but rather everyone being misdiagnosed, and then appease some moderates by stating cancers are all different issues really, so they don’t really have cancer but a more acutely defined illness and at the end of the day 30% of Americans would answer polls that Trump cured cancer, 30% say he didn’t cure cancer and 40% didn’t know how they felt or if their head was infact in their ass at that very moment. Because yes, several of them look around and only see shit.

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      At a certain point the propaganda stops making any sense on purpose. It’s not designed to deceive. It’s used to identify resistance.

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    Oil companies and oil tanker crews are subject to the same fog of war as everyone else. They don’t know if there are mines. They don’t know if they can trust the US government to protect them or pay out the insurance. They have seen US bases get bombed. They don’t know if the US is lying or not because trust in the US is at an all time low.

    It doesn’t matter if the strait is mined or not, because the perception the strait could be mined is enough. It is simply not worth the risk.

    Edit: lmao nevermind. 3 ships just tried running the blockade. Emphasis on tried

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      They don’t know if the US is lying or not because trust in the US is at an all time low.

      Yup.

      I wonder why.

      Oh right because the US commander-in-queef is a Russian shill because Russia managed to influence the US enough to make the whole country cognitively challenged through environmental lead (more of an accident than anything purposefully neurotoxic but anyway) and the destruction of the US education system.

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        Once again posting this chart because when you realize which age group has the most enthusiastic Trump supporters, and you recognize the correlation between their behavior habits and the neuropsychological symptoms of lead poisoning during childhood development, everything starts to make way more sense.

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        Wait, do people really believe that Trump is the culmination of a 70 year Soviet and Russian campaign, and all of America’s mistakes leading up to today are the result of this? Seems a little far-fetched imo

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      They don’t know if they can trust the US government to protect them or pay out the insurance.

      With how many of Trump’s lawyers got their bills paid in full and on time, I would be skeptical too.

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      Tanker-insurance is impossible to get, now, therefore there simply won’t be any ships going through, until that gets remedied.

      & it won’t get remedied until MUCH more than “an assertion that it’s clear” is in-place.

      https://shanakaanslemperera.substack.com/p/actuarial-warfare-how-seven-insurance

      It’s going to be 1/4y MINIMUM before ships begin going through, again, from the looks of that…

      maybe closer to a year.

      Dominoes got BIG, thanks to the economic-rules underpinning everything in industry…

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      Its because European countries announced they are going to release strategic reserves.

      I still don’t get it though because that only covers 2 weeks and Iran has already taken down some permanent capacity in the region and a bunch of places had to stop pumping (meaning well mineralization and reopening times of months). I would expect oil to be at $100 even with the strategic reserves announcement.

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        In the next couple weeks, demand is going to go down as the weather warms up. After that, they have all summer to to work on shifting production to renewables as much as possible and shifting fossil fuel suppliers to ones that don’t need to use that strait.

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      How much sense it makes depends on which markets went up. If, for example, you are an Alberta oil producer, this situation is wonder for the bottom line.

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    The convoy idea is so dumb that I can’t believe anyone said it out loud. Effective strategy against commerce raiders, which Iran explicitly does not have. Might as well offer to mount a CIWS on tankers and hope your insurance premiums will see it as a wash (they won’t). Makes as much sense as suggesting you counter drones with cavalry.

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      If I was one of those oil companies, I’d say sure. You staff the tanker with your people and you insure us for any losses incurred. Also, put an upfront amount of insurance money in escrow.

      But we’re not risking lives, merchandise, and equipment. You want the oil that badly. You move it. We’re just going to raise oil prices to cover our losses in the meantime, so we’re fine.

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        Oh they tried this, admin offered to pay oil companies for damages and move it themselves. Little catch there is tanker ships take half a decade or longer to build. The companies cannot afford to roll the dice on losing one, even if they’ll get reimbursed for the ship. They lose capacity ($$$) waiting for the replacement.

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          Yeah, losses would wouldn’t just be the cargo and the ship, it would be a decade long hit to earnings. And I’d want to see money for all of that, in escrow, before I moved an inch. Trump is famous for not paying his debts. I’d want all that money secured upfront.

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        It’s not just normal insurance cost either. These ships take years to replace. They also have to insure against the multiple years worth of profits and loss of market share.

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          Exactly. It’s the ship, the goods, the lost earning over many years, severance for staff that won’t be used, etc. It would be mess.

          I also wonder how clean up for a spill would be handled. Currently that’s managed by Iran and the vessel that spilled pays.

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      Makes as much sense as suggesting you counter drones with cavalry.

      Not drones exactly but this is a sound straregy in the early civilization games

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        The Shahed-136 uses a MD550 engine, spec sheet says that’s 50 horsepower. An actual horse has a peak output somewhere between 10 and 15 horsepower[1] so it should only take 4 or 5 horses to match/exceed the Shahed’s strength. Seems reasonable enough to me, it’s simple math.


        1. Stevenson, Robert & Wassersug, Richard. (1993). Horsepower from a horse. Nature. 364. 195. 10.1038/364195a0. ↩︎

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      The math on the convoy doesn’t make sense to me.

      The larger the convoy becomes a more attractive target, as a single salvo of missiles has greater chance of bypassing missile defences and hitting any target.

      Plus they have drones or missile boats, which would be harder to defend against. You can do missile defence in a radius around a ship, but now there’s obstacles and small fast moving targets that only need to land 1 hit and can use blind spots.

      So I guess you need 3+ navy ships to form a perimeter and guard a few tankers at once.

      But now there’s mines, so your perimeter becomes another vulnerability, you’ve increased the surface area where mines can be.

      So now you can add more navy ships to get better geometry but it’s a much higher cost.

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    Trump, the climate change denialist, doing his best to speed up the green energy transition.

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    Trump denied this, and it is extremely unlikely. Iran has the full power to sink every ship that comes close with drones alone, and is why no US navy ship dares come close. The Yemen Houthis have to this day still closed the Red Sea to undesirable traffic, (despite yet another mission accomplished bombing campaign by Trump) and they have less than 1/10th the power of Iran.

    Mines would be a sign of loss of control, but more likely the US is bombing small civilian boats under guises that they could lay mines.

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    If US politicians ever imposed consequences on rich elites we might have avoided having had to learn the lesson of consequences from Iran.

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    Please, someone tell me I’m not the only idiot that read this and thought they were trying to do the other type of mining.

    The one that doesn’t make sense at all, but rather than realising that’s not the mining they were doing, because it doesn’t make sense. I just got more confused as to what they possibly could have found there worth mining for in the middle of a war.

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    Wait, the uNazied States of america government blatantly lied? I’m shocked!!

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    This is so sad 20 years from now we are going to hear about a boat in the strait of Hormuz getting hit by a lost mine