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    Oil companies and oil tanker crews are subject to the same fog of war as everyone else. They don’t know if there are mines. They don’t know if they can trust the US government to protect them or pay out the insurance. They have seen US bases get bombed. They don’t know if the US is lying or not because trust in the US is at an all time low.

    It doesn’t matter if the strait is mined or not, because the perception the strait could be mined is enough. It is simply not worth the risk.

    Edit: lmao nevermind. 3 ships just tried running the blockade. Emphasis on tried

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      They don’t know if the US is lying or not because trust in the US is at an all time low.

      Yup.

      I wonder why.

      Oh right because the US commander-in-queef is a Russian shill because Russia managed to influence the US enough to make the whole country cognitively challenged through environmental lead (more of an accident than anything purposefully neurotoxic but anyway) and the destruction of the US education system.

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        Once again posting this chart because when you realize which age group has the most enthusiastic Trump supporters, and you recognize the correlation between their behavior habits and the neuropsychological symptoms of lead poisoning during childhood development, everything starts to make way more sense.

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        Wait, do people really believe that Trump is the culmination of a 70 year Soviet and Russian campaign, and all of America’s mistakes leading up to today are the result of this? Seems a little far-fetched imo

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          Culmination? Nah. Just a step in a game.

          But yeah, Trump is very clearly a Russian shill. Where have you been living for the past 10 years?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections

          https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/

          It’s so obvious that anyone actually arguing Trump isn’t a Russian shill is almost definitely a Russian shill themselves.

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            I remember thinking it was a silly idea in 2016, too. Like, the supposed “interference” was facebook ads featuring buff Bernie, stuff like that. It just seems like it’s a way to make an excuse for the US (and more specifically the Democrats), like their problems aren’t of their own making and everything is Russia’s fault. Linking it all the way back to Kruschev is especially ridiculous.

            But, supposing it is actually a plot that goes all the way back to the Krushchev era, good for them. It worked perfectly. The gameshow man is radpidly destroying America.

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              Found the guy who bought into the propaganda.

              The evidence is all right there. Do you think Putin is the leader of Russia because of honest elections and he’s just the best candidate and Russian democracy works?

              Cmon man. Russians have bought celebrities from the US for longer than either of us has been alive. There’s a reason the most chess GM’s come from Russia. They play the long game.

              They’re terrifyingly good at spycraft.

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                So like, was George Bush a Russian puppet too? The Iraq war harmed America. Was Obama a Russian puppet for cancelling the public option and letting the bankers get away with crashing the economy?Was Biden a Russian puppet, since he was sleepy and feckless?

                I’m a lot more inclined that your problems are due to institutional and societal rot, accumulated failures, a lack of planning, etc., rather than a grand Russian conspiracy. But if that’s true and you’re penetrated to the point where your government is just secretly controlled by Russia, I think you should just ask China to annex you. That way you at least could have a functioning country.

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                  Strawmen.

                  “Uh you’re saying Russia has completely controlled the US for several decades.”

                  No I didn’t lol, learn 2 read a bit.

                  Challenge the facts instead pushing your childish whatabout strawmen.

                  “Your problems”

                  Roflmao illiterate bro. Too illiterate. I’m not American in the slightest. I could drive to St Petersburg in a matter of hours.

                  Challenge the facts.

                  https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/explainers/russian-asset-trumps-policy-behavior-confirms-evidence-groomed-kremlin-since-1980s/

                  A Russian asset: Trump’s policy behavior confirms evidence he was groomed by the Kremlin since the 1980s

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                    So Trump is a deep cover Soviet sleeper agent who has infiltrated all the way to the top rungs of power in the United States, and is using that power to destroy America? Fuck yeah, that rules.

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      They don’t know if they can trust the US government to protect them or pay out the insurance.

      With how many of Trump’s lawyers got their bills paid in full and on time, I would be skeptical too.

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      Tanker-insurance is impossible to get, now, therefore there simply won’t be any ships going through, until that gets remedied.

      & it won’t get remedied until MUCH more than “an assertion that it’s clear” is in-place.

      https://shanakaanslemperera.substack.com/p/actuarial-warfare-how-seven-insurance

      It’s going to be 1/4y MINIMUM before ships begin going through, again, from the looks of that…

      maybe closer to a year.

      Dominoes got BIG, thanks to the economic-rules underpinning everything in industry…

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