Clearly it’s a peace negotiation
You’re going to get called a Chinese bot account for this
Ayo where the fuck is my horny posting?!
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I love how “I fucked your mom” is just too straight and real for Lemmy.
I might be an old straight guy, but I can appreciate keeping it fake & gay around here. 🫡
War crimes are only bad if the bad guy does them. NATO is a good guy.
To those who’ve down voted this,why if I may ask? Genuinely curious
Because it’s short-sighted and ridiculous. Yes Russia bombs are bad, yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.
This is dumb “tankie” talk that tries to push people into corners that are comfortable for the OP so that they don’t have to use their brain and think about whether people’s world views may be more complex and (eep!) sometimes more well-thought of than their own simplistic view of “NATO bad - Communism good”.
And lastly, as many posts on here, it simply reeks of anti-western propaganda.
That’s alot of assumption from a meme. Edit Addendum: I’m pretty sure the meme is a reference to how specifically media portrays bombs from various countries as opposed to any actual moral claim about bombs.
Maybe you should have a look at OP’s post history.
I think I’m pretty accurate in my analysis ;)
Edit: and yes, of course it is a meme about how media (and certain people) portray these bombs. That doesn’t change what I said at all, and in fact what I said is based on that very same premise.
There is not a single good bomb thrown by Israel in history, just like Russia hasn’t thrown a good bomb in the history of the Ukraine conflict. The reasoning is exactly the same. Israel, like Russia, is the aggressor, the occupier in this conflict, since its very inception. It’s very clear from your comments that you don’t read history, and it would serve you well to be less confident about the things you clearly don’t really know about.
“Bla bla bla, hurrdurr you clearly don’t read history, look at me, smarter than anyone!” *Beats chest like a fucking gorilla
That is what you sound like.
I am very well aware of the history. The issue here is that you just can’t wrap your head around the fact that there are actual terrorists that threaten actual, innocent (yes Israeli) people. People who didn’t choose to be born in Israel, kids, teenagers at a music festival.
Good bombs can be thrown by bad regimes. Until you can wrap your head around that one there is indeed no point in arguing. Not because I don’t know about things, but because you don’t. Stop trying to sound smart because your black and white views are anything but. See you around, gorilla boy.
You know what bombs do? They kill people, indiscriminately, especially when you throw them on desnsely populated civilian centers that you’ve driven 100s of thousands of refugees into. They don’t defend against “terrorist” attacks on your occupied soil, they only serve to invite more. What are you going to tell me next, “muh human shields”? Fuck off.
No way, bombs kill people?
And more bad faith arguments after you’ve accused me of making them?
Where have I said that throwing bombs on civilian centres are good? You fucking dense motherfucker.
Don’t tell me to fuck off when you’re arguing like a fucking retard MAGA scumbag.
issue here is that you just can’t wrap your head around the fact that there are actual terrorists that threaten actual, innocent (yes Israeli) people. People who didn’t choose to be born in Israel, kids, teenagers at a music festival.
Where have I said that throwing bombs on civilian centres are good? You fucking dense motherfucker.
Where the fuck are the bombs “protecting” the people at that music festival going, HMMMMM?
It’s fucking hilarious to see you call someone else dumb when you can’t even think through the second order events that come from your statement. To paraphrase you:
Where else do you think those bombs are going to fall? You fucking dense motherfucker.
You’re talking about retaliation against civilians for the actions of terrorists, and those civilians are packed into dense areas by the people who drop the bombs on them.
No one said you thought they were good, that’s your lazy deflection to not acknowledge that it’s happening. How can you not see this?
Sees the slur
Yeah, they’re arguing like a magat scumbag, not you…
Short-sighted.
Sorry.
Ahh it’s grammar. Edited and thanks
Lol Israeli and NATO bombs were necessary? Man, may God forgive you for your lack of humanity and overall ignorance.
Try to read the sentence again. Slowly.
But I did and you’re just pushing Western imperialist propaganda, what’s going on here? Israel is literally a Western colony that destabilises the rest of the region and is genociding the locals, the West has done nothing but terrorise the world for hundreds of years… Are you denying this or what?
Western imperialist propaganda,
Ok, tankie.
I know you just learned this word and are very excited to use it but try to stay on topic.
I didn’t, but I’m assuming they just haven’t heard anyone say that it’s good to be nuked by NATO.
Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately. Plus the whole invading a neighbor, murdering the people and stealing the land.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.
Any point you might’ve had about land acquisition, separatism, or imperialism, is pretty hard invalidated by this comparison. Like, why add Bush as a qualifier?
To prevent tankies from accusing me of US bias.
BYOB
Top of the bell curve shit post. I’d argue about operation noble anvil but, that would put me at the bottom of the curve.
I’m still about to see what’s up with that operation tho.
It’s the only time I defend NATO as an institution for defending a marginalized group.
Am I right? Fuck if I know but at least I believe in something.
They did not defend a marginalized group. they needed a Balkan country for a military base (and other pedophilic needs for your masters), so they made one up. Once this base is not needed, you and your fellow Americans will forget that these made-up marginalized groups ever existed.
You’re allowed to be antisemitic now as long as you use the word “zionist” instead of “jew”.
Nobody has ever used this one weird trick before ever, so it’s sure to trick everyone! Just remember to use the word “genocide” as many times as you can when someone calls you out for antisemitism. Bonus points if you say “Ackshually the
jewszionists are the nazis!” That’s super original and you automatically win every argument when you compare a group of people with the nazis.Then you can go about making conspiracy theories about the
jewszionists controlling the media, being the secret puppet masters of the world, etc. all you want!I respect the Jewish faith, and think genocide is wrong and should be stopped.
Call me an antisemite now, fuckface.
And don’t forget about people of Jewish ethnicity who are not religious. I respect them too, though I oppose Israel’s genocide.
Bad take.
- Antisemitism is not anti-zionism in any way. One is the dislike of Jewish people and the other is a dislike of a certain sector of people, who need not be Jewish at all. In fact, most zionists are Christian. But I know that you already know that.
- Semites are literally Palestinian people, not Israelis.
“certain sector of people”
Hmmmm… which sector of people would that be? Oh I’m sure you believe there’s “some good ones” when you think about Jews.
Semites are literally Palestinian people, not Israelis.
So you don’t even recognize Jews exist now? You’ve erased the entire Jewish identity from your mind in your rationalizations of how you’re not antisemitic? That’s really disturbing.
It’s the sector of people that want to colonize Palestine, genocide the natives and create an ethnostate. That sector of people.
Yes, that sector.
This isn’t a cryptic mystery here. This isn’t anti semitic. Are you saying all Jews are zionists
What? No, I’m actually saying the exact opposite. I’m the one who informed spacecowboy that most zionists are Christian.
WTF is going on here. Lol
The sector that supports active genocide of Palestinian people.
Once again…most zionists are Christian. I honestly believe that you know exactly what I am saying and are trying to twist my words into something else that would fit your narrative using semantics.
And yes, I have absolutely erased Jewish identity, in my own mind. I am Hitler, in my own mind and I am trying to detach from the guilt I feel, in my own mind. Congrats. You figured me out!
You win a prize!
How do you feel about the “sector of people” that supports the genocide of Jews? Sectors like Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and the Ayatollah of Iran. Whoops, scratch that last one!
Guess what. I’m against that too! I just think genocide is not the best thing. It’s not really that hard to understand. 🤷
In your mind: How many elementary schools can a nation bomb before we’re allowed to say that nation’s government is evil and should be eliminated?
Because Israel is constantly targeting and killing women and children, and you’re…ok with that? Please explain.
How many protesters can the Ayatollah execute before you’ll admit the Iranian government is evil and should be eliminated?
You’re arguing regime change is necessary when a government is evil. Iran’s government has killed tens of thousands of people in the last few months. So do you agree Iran’s regime is evil? How are you deciding which regime is evil and “should be eliminated”? Does it have anything to do with the predominate ethnicity of the countries being discussed?
I did not argue that regime change is necessary. I didn’t say a goddamn thing about regime change.
What I said was a direct question, and your dishonest ass couldn’t answer it.
So I will repeat it: HOW MANY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN IS ISRAEL ALLOWED TO MURDER BEFORE YOU’LL BE AGAINST IT?
Answer the goddamn question I asked or leave me alone.
In your mind: How many elementary schools can a nation bomb before we’re allowed to say that nation’s government is evil and should be eliminated?
Emphasis added.
Do you make a distinction between eliminating a nation’s government and a regime change?
Or were you just JAQing off there?
I uh… what? Is this a joke?
I don’t know you tell me. Are the current efforts to zionist wash all of the old antisemitic tropes a joke? I’d think after a bunch of Jews got massacred in Australia y’all would realize antisemitism is real, it’s global, and maybe it’s not a joke.
I dont think there’s a single person here that would say antisemitism is fake. But a blanket “Your an antisemitic a-hole” for anyone that has a differing opinion is literally the same thing, just with religion removed.
Im not saying thats what you are doing, because both your comment and reply have deeply confused me. I dont like to assume withiut at least some level of confirmation, and I never got my answer anyway…
Ah so you recognize antisemitism is real. Good for you. Do you also recognize that there’s a deliberate effort to make antisemitism acceptable by preemptively discrediting all claims of antisemitism?
That’s what the meme is about isn’t it? The point is that “it’s ok to say whatever you want, antisemitism isn’t real.” You’re being front loaded with the idea that if anyone says something is antisemitic that person should automatically be discredited.
If all accusations of antisemitism are false, that logically means antisemitism isn’t real.
A very insidious tactic they’re using here isn’t it?
What? The meme is clearly about using antisemitism as a false flag to shut down arguments.
You may have been on the internet too long, you should take some time to yourself. You have used the word ‘antisemitism’ 11 times in our comment chain alone, including your original comment. You might be trying too hard.
Edit: you still haven’t answered my original question either.
Yes, it’s about characterizing all accusations of antisemitism as being a “false flag” before any discussion happens. How can you know what will be said in future discussions? If all accusations of antisemitism in all future discussions are preemptively declared “false flags” that’s a declaration that antisemitism no longer exists.
You may have been on the internet too long. The internet is filled with rationalizations for hate speech and you might have bought into some of them. The “anti-zionists” talk like antisemites, act like antisemites… take some to to consider whether anti-zionism is just a rebranding of antisemitism. Consider that all of the usual antisemites like Candace Owens are saying the exact same antisemitic conspiracy theories, but they’re careful to use the word “zionist” where they used to say “jews”. Consider that the people JD Vance has been talking to indicate the usual anti-semites that have now rebranded themselves as anti-zionists are being folded into the American fascist movement.
In these times it’s important to establish some red lines you refuse to cross. Because they don’t start with “Hitler was right” on day one. They make you hate a certain group of people and then expand that group over time. Fascists are pushing “anti-zionist” rhetoric, there’s been a rise in attacks on synagogues and there’s been a massacre of Jews celebrating Hanukkah. How long can you deny that these events aren’t connected to the “anti-zionist” rhetoric you’re seeing? You may believe there’s a distinction between zionists and jews, but it’s very obvious there’s a lot of people committing violent acts that don’t care about that distinction.
Why should I care about your rationalizations more than I care about the fact that “anti-zionist” rhetoric is resulting in violence against Jews? To me, if your rhetoric results in violence against Jews, your rhetoric is antisemitc no matter what you call it. Just more racist dog whistling by racist assholes.
Dude this is a bot or troll account. Its impossible to write this much and say absolutely nothing.
There is a deliberate effort to have Israel equal the Jewish faith, so any criticism of the state can be ignored through calls of antisemitism. It’s transparent, part of the Israeli governments playbook and exactly what this meme is about.
I’d also like to point out that you specifically, Spacecowboy, have done some BLATANT genocide denial in the past, so it feels particularly hollow coming from you.
The only one being mislabeled in this meme is the EU. Ukraine is actually defending themselves form an invader (Israel is bombing civilians basically for fun at this point, Hamas is no real threat to them.)
Now who’s in denial? Do you deny the acts committed by Hamas on October 7? Many people were saying they were no threat before that day. Now you’re saying it again.
Do you consider what Hamas dead on October 7 to be genocide? Why not?
You insinuate any push back against Israel is antisemitism, while having very vocally denied the genocide. It’s very easy to see through.
