People in Britain who think they are governed by fools should take a closer look at the Russian and US presidents. Vladimir Putin is systematically ruining his country. His war of choice in Ukraine is an economic, financial, geopolitical and human calamity for Russia that worsens by the day. For his own murky reasons, Donald Trump, another national menace, offered him a lifeline last week. Yet Putin spurned it. These two fools deserve each other.

On the table in Moscow was a “peace” deal that, broadly speaking, rewarded Russia’s aggression by handing over large chunks of Ukrainian land, compromised Kyiv’s independence and weakened its defences against any future attack. The Trump deal, if forced through, would have split the US and Europe; ruptured Nato, perhaps fatally; reprieved Russia’s pariah economy; and probably toppled Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s government.

These are key Russian war aims. But Putin, suffering from neo-imperial fantasies and legacy issues, said “no”. He reckons he can get it all, and more, by fighting on. He has persuaded the idiot Trump that Russia’s victory is inevitable – and that scheming Europeans are the real warmongers. Yet his premise is fundamentally flawed. Hard facts confound him. Almost four years on, he’s still trapped in Donbas mud and ice. And at home, things fall apart.

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        Couldn’t care less if they all fall. The only good thing about the US is they speak the same language as me.

        Also Scarlett Johansson

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          We will still speak the same language and Scarlett Johansson would still exist presumably if the US collapses. Hell depending on how it collapses it may even result in more good things popping out of it’s former territories, kinda like how S.T.A.L.K.E.R. wouldn’t exist without the collapse of the Soviet Union.

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          Scarlett Johansson

          You make an excellent point.

          I do hope that, when the US fractures, Caloreginton will continue to provide good work for talented people in entertainment. Or at least a plane ticket to Hollywood North.

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    People in Britain who think they are governed by fools should take a closer look at the Russian and US presidents.

    That bigger fools exist doesn’t stop your fools from screwing up too.

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    You know that’s hilarious after another post from the same news paper says that we are now aligned with Putin’s plan for the future.

    So yes we are killing them but I’m reality we are helping them and killing ourselves. Yay.

    Fuck maga fuck the pedos of the GOP for being traitors to the US. They should be hanged. Billionaires should also be hanged.

    But oh well, one last thing the US is coming for the dual citizenship in the US. People are gonna have less opportunity to leave once the shit falls off the fan.

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    Fucking good. I’m tired of the petty North Atlantic and Arctic sabotage missions. Ukraine can keep hitting oil refineries and eventually they won’t be able to afford to buy foreign fuel.

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    Don’t worry everyone if Russias economy collapses our American economy will help them out, nothing bad will ever come out of this…

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    I’ve been hearing the same since the start of the war - Russia is running out of weapons, economy is collapsing etc. but here we are, Russia still kicking Ukraine’s ass and sending hundreds of drones and plenty of missiles each day. Russia is resilient plus help from NK, China and Iran - I doubt they will collapse anytime soon. But even if they collapse, who will get the helm? Will it be better for Ukraine? World?

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      Russia still kicking Ukraine’s ass

      What, in your mind, is the attrition/casualty rate per kilometer of advancement by the Russian army?

      I don’t think you’re getting information from an impartial news source.

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        What does that matter? Is Russia efficient? Probably not. Does Russia care about their casualties? Likely not. Are they throwing a ton of manpower and resources at Ukrainians? Yep. Are they advancing? Slowly, but yes, all over the front. If I have impartial news sources, please, show yours where it is shown that Ukraine is pushing Russians out instead. I’ll be more than happy to see those.

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          Have you ever fought/served in an armed conflict?

          The phrase “Russia is kicking Ukraine’s ass.”, to me, comes from someone who is, at best, an AirSoft cosplayer.

          It’s hyperbolic propaganda at face value, and doesn’t match up with credible intelligence analysis reporting from news agencies both in and outside of NATO countries. The narrative spun by such hand-waiving talk is that casualty attrition rate per kilometer gained has no bearing on logistic or strategic capability.

          Anyone who has been seriously involved with warfare knows that the casualty rates of the supposed 2nd/3rd most capable military in the world are appalling considering the relatively small size of the Ukrainian military. This is an absurd gamble Putin has made. The men lost now will not be there to finally take Kyiv.

          On top of that, there’s very little to stop the PLA from rolling his entire South-Eastern flank and putting their giant dick in his puckered asshole. It’s convenient for them for the Russian Federation and NATO to be occupied so they may sell their influence with relative ease, and continue dicking with their other Asian neighbors.

          Do you believe that the Ukrainians will just stop fighting after Kyiv has fallen, by the way?

          I also don’t take the view that the Russian Federation is “losing”. The Ukrainians are certainly barely managing a desperate struggle for survival; their only hope is international military pressure from other geographic theaters of operations and/or a collapse of Putin’s regime. They must also try to keep engaging the invading forces in a war of maneuver instead of static defense with dwindling man-power and arms.

          However, despite all of that, the Orcs are far from “kicking Ukraine’s ass”. If they were, in my opinion, we’d see Russian Federation flags a few kilometers outside of Kyiv, and even more probing of Polish, Lithuanian, Estonian, Latvian, and Finnish airspaces.

          I had to say something. The bullshit of “Russia is kicking Ukraine’s ass,” is too strong of an odor to ignore.

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            OK, you are speaking like the Ukraine has infinite resources and tactically loosing ground just to deplete Russia. I’m sure that they have the plan to loose strategically important cities just for that.

            US continue to back Ukraine? Please, do a reality check. While EU is only backing Ukraine halfheartedly and not even the entire EU.

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                The US is still sending weapons. Check that reality.

                US is selling weapons to European/NATO countries and even that is limited. On the other hand US is appeasing and siding with Putin wherever they can which speaks more than those profit from selling weapons.

                Of course Ukraine doesn’t have infinite resources but they are spending theirs much more wisely.

                Sure they do and at the same time they don’t have enough of those. What is the endgame here? Hoping that Russia collapses somehow before they conquer whatever they are set to?

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              In English you say ‘losing’, not ‘loosing’. Hope that helps.

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      I think you’re being abrasive about it, but are making a decent point.

      Yes, lots of clickbait exaggerated Russia’s fragility. Some actual analysts underestimated certain aspects of Russia.

      And Russia won many geopolitical dice rolls:

      • Trump won.
      • Europe is still bickering internally.
      • India bought their oil for a long time.
      • China stayed tolerant.
      • Wagner coup failed, but only barely.

      And so on.


      There are some nasty, ambitious figures in Russian politics apparently “reigned in” by Putin now. If he’s deposed… what happens? Do we get a Russia fractured by warlords armed with Soviet warheads? I’d much rather see it vassalized by China or something.

      And yeah, at the end of the day this is the physically largest country on Earth, backed by the most populous, invading a tiny one. Endless war is utterly catastrophic for the Russian people, but (if the US basically withdraws from NATO and Europe keeps being Europe), they are on an extremely slow track to grind down Ukraine and claim the ashes :(


      Anyway, you should read ISW’s reports on the war:

      https://www.understandingwar.org/

      They have a quite grounded take. And from the even before the war started (when forces massed on the border), they’ve been warning that Russia has the political power to grind on. They tried to warn policymakers about the clickbait.

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        India bought their oil for cheap and kept lowering the price and paid them in rupees not dollars so they had to spend that money in India.

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        Ruzzia is a grey, third world toilet, that will be paying reparations forever once they finish losing.

        Worked great against Germany after world war 1.

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          Yeah, but no-one cares about ruzzia, it’s a bunghole country. Germany eventually got it’s shit together, and is a very respected, valuable member of humanity again. ruzzia isn’t capable of that because it only has sheep who need to be told what to blindly do between vodka shots and smokes, assuming that they don’t destroy themselves by smoking next to a gas storage tank. Ruzzia should learn to package mediocrity for export, because that’s all they do well. Oh wait, they are already exporting that… !