Per the title. If an animal dies out in nature without any human involvement, shouldn’t it be considered vegan to harvest any of the useful parts from it (not nessicarily meat, think hide), since there was no human-caused suffering involved?

Similarly, is driving a car not vegan because of the roadkill issue?

Especially curious to hear a perspective from any practicing moral vegans.

Also: I am not vegan. That’s why I’m asking. I’m not planning on eating roadkill thank you. Just suggesting the existence of animal-based vegan leather.

  • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    To me it’s not a matter of ethics but a matter of health. Unless you saw the animal die from something that clearly isn’t disease I wouldn’t trust meat I just found laying around.

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    Really depends on which lens of veganism you view it through. I usually judge things by the economic lens, where veganism is the response to capitalism incentivising the exploitation of animals. It’s probably one of the easiest ways to think about it, but essentially it goes like “As long as you don’t pay money for exploitation, you’re fine”
    So roadkill would be fine. Saving food that would be thrown out is fine. Shoplifting is fine. Served the wrong thing at the restaurant- Complain and get your money back. Second hand down jacket from a relative who would have thrown it away otherwise - gross but fine. Stealing chickens from a factory farm and eating some of their eggs- fine. Et cetera.

    I don’t think that sort of logical line can be applied to anything but individuals though. I still wouldn’t be buying leather from a company that claims to only use roadkill, as my money would still be a financial incentive to expand the operation.

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    I think it would depend who you ask. I consider myself vegan and would have no major issue with someone using roadkill for parts. I mean, I would find it disgusting and could never myself, but if they want to and still call themselves vegan, I see no problem with it as the harm has already been done to the animal. Seems the same as harvesting bones from the forest - what’s dead is dead.

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    8 days ago

    I’ve wondered about this myself since like age 7, when our otherwise perfectly healthy horse Sissy got struck by lightning while standing under a pine tree out in the field in a storm. 😢

    Living out in deer hunting country, they could have given the neighbors a shout and basically be like hey the meat’s fresh, y’all come help cut it up and stock like 10-20 freezers for free…

    🤷

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      7 days ago

      You probably don’t want to eat horse meat these days due to the drugs that are often given to horses, (mostly wormers). They tend to not flush out of the horses system no matter how long you wait.

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    You can do pretty much whatever you want man…

    Like “vegan” isn’t even a century old yet, it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren’t good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to.

    You can just keep using his word, but not care about his rules.

    Or you can make up your own name and rules.

    People searching for labels they like and then conforming to every fucking aspect of that label and nothing else, doesn’t work out well.

    So please, if you want to eat roadkill just do it.

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        but did you want to answer the question

        I did…

        it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren’t good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to

        Every reason why you can/can’t do something and be Vegan, is because the guy who made the word up ~80 years ago decided it should be like that

        You’re acting like it’s a math or science, like it’s based on logic or something…

        It’s not, so the answer to “why” is essentially “because the founder said that”?

        Does that make sense now?

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    9 days ago

    For the sake of argument I think you could say that you’re depriving a scavenger of a meal. I don’t know if that’s how veganism is usually framed.

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    9 days ago

    For the second question, one could argue driving a car isn’t vegan (unless it’s electric) because gas and oil are technically animal products, even if that animal was a dinosaur

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    shouldn’t it be considered vegan to harvest any of the useful parts from it, since there was no human-caused suffering involved?

    What the fuck are you talking about? The corpse is still made up of animal parts. For the record I’m a vegetarian because I hate animals and I think they’re gross.

    I’m agitated by this post not because of whatever morality question you’re trying to pull, but for linguistics sake.

    Definition of Vegan from Merriam - Webster:

    a strict vegetarian who consumes no food (such as meat, eggs, or dairy products) that comes from animals

    also : one who abstains from using animal products (such as leather)

    People like you are the reason why the word “literally” doesn’t mean “literally” anymore and we literally don’t have a replacement word.

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      9 days ago

      why the word “literally” doesn’t mean “literally” anymore and we literally don’t have a replacement word.

      Literally still means literally, it just ironically also means figuratively now too.

      But it’s literally always meant literally.

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        9 days ago

        That’s not the question you asked

        shouldn’t it be considered vegan

        The answer is no, because the definition of the word. I’m sick of “vibe” people. Words have meanings.

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          Buddy thinks the dictionary contains all the information he ever needs to know 😂

          People don’t just wake up one day and decide they’re going to abstain from animal products for no reason.

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          That’s not the question you asked

          But that’s implied. People aren’t usually vegetarian or vegan because they “hate animals,” but rather because of ethical concerns. And even so, if they’re asking such a question, it’s because they’re basing their understanding on the ethics and not the literal definition. Otherwise, the answer is obvious.