If anyone wants a specific goal, have it be either

  • Earn a Nobel Prize by age 18

or

  • Become a billionaire by age 18

For the sake of the scenario, assume the following:

  • If anyone learns that you are mentally from the future, you immediately have an aneurysm and die. You somehow just know this and therefore must keep your true identity secret.

  • You wake up as a random 10-year-old specifically in 2002, not your 10-year-old self, and not the age you actually were in 2002.

  • You live in the same country, speak the same language(s), and are the same ethnicity as your old self. Your biological sex matches your gender identity (flip a coin if you are enby).

  • You have 2 parents and 1.5 siblings. Your family earns exactly the median income for your country.

  • The person whose identity you now inhabit left a diary. You have no other knowledge of your new identity beyond this.

  • If you try to look for your old family, you learn they had a different child in this timeline who is the same age as you but is not you. They will not believe any attempt to convince them you are related.

  • The USB drive is compatible with any standard USB Type A connector. It is just large enough to fit all of Wikipedia, including hosted media and files, and the drive is read-only. The drive cannot be reformatted.

  • Stock market trends remain generally consistent for 5 years. After that, assume the butterfly effect will start to skew the results, so you cannot predict what will happen after 2007. Sports become too unreliable to bet on with 100% accuracy after 1 year.

  • I feel like I shouldn’t need to clarify this one, but no grooming kids. Assume there is a magical force that prevents you from dating anyone until both you and they are at least 18, and no one is attracted to you unless they would also feel okay dating someone who is your mental age.

EDIT - Additional clarifiers, if this helps:

  • The USB drive is not based on 2002 technology but is fully compatible with it. Assume it uses a novel architecture that can repurpose itself to be compatible with whatever system it is plugged into, as long as it fits the correct type of USB port.
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    At 10, I won’t have much money to invest, and I doubt I’d convince anyone to invest on my behalf. So, the butterfly effect on the markets will be at least 10 years away. I’d spend my first 5-6 years soaking up the knowledge that would be most relevant to me for the late 00’s, then from 16 or so I’d use that knowledge for well-paid gigs to earn money to invest, first into the stock market (short term), and later into startups I know will succeed. By 22, I’d start sponsoring the Cincinnati zoo, as a side project. By 24, I’ll use my influence at the zoo to beef up security in the gorilla enclosure. The kid will not fall in, Harambe will live, and today’s timeline will never materialize. Then I’ll retire. You’re welcome.

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    I can think of a few things I do not like about the world today that I imagine I could improve in a scenario like that. They include:

    • Much of the world’s communication is mediated through centralized social media platforms that use opaque algorithms to determine what content people see. (Yes, this is a very Lemming concern)
    • There is a significant rise in (mostly) right-wing populism worldwide, driven, I think in part by the above.
    • Corporations and governments are increasingly able (and motivated) to block access to their digital systems from general-purpose computers that their owners fully control. Even the mainstream press saw Microsoft Palladium as a nightmarish power grab in 2002, but did not react the same way to Google SafetyNet in 2014.
    • I do not own a Gordan Murray Automotive T.50.

    Social media

    2002 is before anybody had a convincing lead in this field, but blogs were already popular, and on the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog kid. I could start planting the seeds of more advanced federation capabilities through open source development right away. I’m assuming I have a computer of course, but I think even if I didn’t I could probably get my hands on something older just by expressing interest and aptitude.

    After laying the technical foundations and establishing some credibility as a developer and technologist, my goal would be to build something with significant mainstream appeal by the time Facebook opens to the public in late 2006. I’d need access to money at that point, whether my own or through investors, though as a federated system, I wouldn’t have to bear all of the costs (nor would I have the ability to extract all the profits, but even a hundredth of Zuck’s net worth is obscenely wealthy).

    Populism

    I honestly do not know how much of this is due to the present day social media environment, but I’m sure it’s a significant factor. I like to think that by tuning the design of social communication tools for more thoughtful discussion, more thoughtful leaders would thrive. Barring that, if I was obscenely wealthy, I could put my thumb on the scale by less honorable means, and I like to think I wouldn’t be so terribly corrupted by the money and power as to use it for evil.

    One idea that comes to mind for political discussion is used in Pol.is and (perhaps ineffectively) Twitter community notes: surface points where people who usually disagree are in agreement.

    Protecting general purpose computing

    This one is hard to the point I’m not sure it’s achievable, but It’s so important. The obvious approach is to launch a mobile operating system, which would have to at least stay even with Android. Microsoft tried this in 2012, and that was too late despite their entry attracting some diehard fans. If I have the superior OS and majority market share, I’m in a good position to resist attempts to mandate locked bootloaders and remote attestation.

    The good news is it’s not hard to do a better job with some fundamental design decisions given perfect hindsight, and with Android being open source, it wouldn’t be hard to support Android apps. There weren’t a lot of dependencies on Google’s services in the early days.

    This one would be reliant on the social media play for capital and credibility. It would need to be well underway by 2010, which is a tight timeline, but not impossible.

    An absurdly expensive sports car

    If either of the above plays works even moderately well, I can have my 11,500 RPM redline V12 three-seater. If not, I’d still be in a position to make a bunch of money, and I’d be trying some of them in parallel.

    Nobody’s going to give a ten year old control of an investment account just because they say they have some good ideas about the stock market, but if my hypothetical parents are anything like my real ones, after a couple months of demonstrating nearly-unbelievable skill at investing fake money, I’d be able to talk them into letting me invest a couple hundred dollars of real money and snowball things from there. I’d also know which startup ideas worked, what decisions were important in their success, and which founders I wouldn’t feel bad about ripping off.

    Even as reality diverges, I think certain trends were inevitable. Social media will happen. Smartphones will happen. Streaming will happen. EVs will happen. Generative AI will probably happen, but I think I might try to push that one back a few years if I was in a position to do so. Flying cars, fusion power, and space colonies probably aren’t happening by 2025 regardless of how many butterflies flap their wings.

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        How fucked up is it that I needed your comment to understand the comment of who you replied to? Jesus

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        I first thought: hmm okay, I guess being a kid get adults guard down lets you freely go around to do things they don’t expect like (hypothetical speaking) a murder

        Then I read the comment below, someone said “needed that laugh”, and I was like, huh, what’s so funny?, then… it hit me… it hit me like epstein’s private jet crashing into me

        💀

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      Did you get this prompt off of Tumblr or something? It’s shit.

      I guess you don’t really like hypotheticals…

      C’mon pal, why be so hostile to OP? This question is interesting.

    • vateso5074@lemmy.worldOP
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      Nope, I made it up while bored out of my mind at work and trying to think of random scenarios just as thought experiments. This one seemed good enough to share, but I’m not a good judge of what people are into, I can remove it if it’s shit.

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        I can remove it if it’s shit

        Lol pls don’t let other people’s opinions influence you. As long as its not bigotry or weird political agendas, you should just go ahead and post, if others don’t like it, that’s why there’s an upvote/downvote system, but you DON’T have any duty to remove it. Judging by the votes, the overwhelming majority likes it more than dislike.

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        The main reason I think it’s a poor prompt is, you’ve ruled out almost all creativity here, to the point there are really three valid answers:

        • I’d invest whatever money I can get relatively conservatively because my ability to predict the future decreases with time
        • I’dUsurp a favorite artist of mine by recording their songs a few years earlier
        • I’d play Nintendo games again.

        You undermine the whole “what would you do if you could go back in time 23 years with a copy of today’s Wikipedia” thing by having the timeline diverge. So a lot of “I would make sure I’m here at this moment so I can have this effect on history” are sanded down to a nub.

        Same with “I would invest in this, that and the other” because you’re ten. You don’t really have the power to do that and say on the down low. Sports betting is right out because most if not all advantage you have is gone long before you can reasonably place a bet. Consider the Back to the Future universe; first of all they explicitly state that Biff placed his first bet on a horse race on his 18th birthday, and second it’s established that media from the future will change to represent its new history. Biff’s riches might have changed sports outcomes, but the sports almanac would change to reflect the new scores. Your prompt includes an immutable copy of Wikipedia that does not change even as the universe around it does, and your scenario causes it to diverge beyond usefulness before you can put it to profitable use.

        You’ve ruled out any “I try to change major world events by warning people or whatever” because you have to keep your identity as a time traveler a secret. Same with any “I’d be an oracle.”

        So you might have a general gist of how things are going to go for awhile but it might not, so you’re going to be an above average but not godlike investor, and because Wikipedia deliberately does not contain song lyrics or tunes for copyright reasons if you want to pass off commercial works of music or performance art as your own you’ll need to have already memorized them.

        Or, like so many folks, 'I’d just be ten years old again. Play Gamecube games."

        You’ve set up such a narrow set of rules that this almost doesn’t feel open-ended.

    • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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      Or Apple, or nVidia. Or all of the above.

      Edit: Actually, nVidia would be a bad call. Apple I think would result in around a 6000% return on investment by our deadline, which isn’t exactly a rocket ride to the moon, but you could probably use Wikipedia’s articles on pump and dumps and other financial scams to know in advance what’s going to happen, and be one of those at the top of the pyramid rather than the bottom in order to raise yourself more short term capital.

      As for all the comments about everyone going for the Get Rich path and not the Nobel Prize… Well, yeah. Even if you do have a literally encyclopedic knowledge of current and future geopolitical events, it’s unlikely anyone important is going to listen to a 10 year old. Especially so if you’re not allowed to give the game away. You could readily trade stocks online in 2002, though, even if you were a minor as long as you could employ some creativity (or get permission from your parents). How convenient that by the time you’re ready to cash out, you’ve just turned into a legal adult.

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      Bitcoin wasn’t invented until 2008 and launched in 2009. Your deadline is 2010. Someone bought 2 pizzas for 10,000 bitcoin in 2010.

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    Step 1: become obscenely rich, at least like 300B before 2016.

    Step 2: use my wealth to prevent Trump from becoming president(get fucked pedo looser!), Also gonna uncover the whole Trump Epstein thing early and get Epstein to testify in court against Trump if possible and put that asshole in jail for the rest of his miserable life.

    Step 3: lobby for the following with the rest of my money:

    • ranked choice voting
    • public transit
    • a proper healthcare system that doesn’t fuck everyone
    • make democracy in the us stronger any possible way I can
    • accelerate green energy transition

    Step 4: retire in a comfortable sized house with some cats.

    At least that would be my plan, but I feel like unintended consequences would probably fuck me over.

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      The years of buildup to you getting 300B before 2016 would alter the course of history though, making all your knowledge useless after you’ve amassed whatever amount changes history. You’d be hard pressed to make financial gains before you’re 18, so you’d amass 300B between 2010 and 2016. At some point early on you’d draw too much attention and change history enough to have no idea what’s coming.

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    First, see if they have the wining numbers for Powerballs that were never won. Something in the tens to hundreds of millions. Then use the entries on the stock market to invest in things that will take off, allowing you to sell before they tank.

    Then take all that money and put it in to left wing think tanks that will make this mess go away entirely.

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    If I was able to make lots of money somehow I’d buy up CDS’s before 2008 market crash.

    Otherwise I’d just start mining bitcoin in 2009.

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      10,000 bitcoins were worth ~$20-40 in 2010.

      You will need ~500,000,000,000 (500 Billion) bitcoin (unless my math is wrong, but suffice it to say, it’s a lot).

      I believe to date only about ~20 million have been mined.

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    The billionaire one is kinda easy

    Sports betting to get your base funds up to a decent level then buy the shares in the successful tech companies post dot-com crash. Wouldn’t hurt to buy some gold and bitcoin too.

    Sports betting would continue helping you live a lavish lifestyle until all the investment income gets to a good level.

    If you do well enough, you should be able to amplify what you’ve already made to acquire an absurd amount of wealth on the subprime mortgage crash in 2008.

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    I was in college in 2002, so I would go there and tell myself what is going on. That shouldn’t break the rules since nobody but me would know what was happening (just a different version of me). Working together with a blueprint of the next two decades, it would be trivial for college me to make money in the stock market. I would raise as much money as I could before the 2008 housing bubble bursts so I could buy up a lot of property cheap.

    From there I could use the information on close elections to politically swing things the way I want. 20 year old me would practice writing so I could get into writing newspaper editorials, building my reputation as someone who has exceptional ability to predict political and social trends. This reputation would give me a foothold to get to speak to and advise people in power, further allowing me to shape the direction of politics. With this money and influence, I could make sure COVID was handled properly, that the war in Ukraine never happened, and that climate change was addressed with the seriousness it deserves. I could save hundreds of millions of lives and nobody would ever know.

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      I think you caught me there on a verbiage technicality.

      I probably should have worded it better in the additional details of the premise, but my intent was that your old self simply doesn’t exist in this timeline. Your family is there, but they had some other kid instead of you on the same date you were born.

      If your name is Jarnathan Smith, you like baseball and your favorite color is puce, you’d instead find that your family had a kid named Archideld Smith who likes rugby and whose favorite color is mauve.