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Homeless people are more financially rich than most of this country.
Do you see the problem yet
How else are we supposed to know who’s better than who?
I thought you guys used race and gender for that?
Oh that too. We make sure to remind the poor white folk they are still better than rich black people
You said people and folk, but I think you meant men.
My apologies. In my attempt to be horrifically racist, I forgot to also be sexist. It won’t happen again.
God damn lazy modern bigots. Back in my day there was a word for people like you, but using it will get me banned on half the fediverse.
With a star on your belly.
I blame that predestination bullshit that’s in the country’s DNA. If you’re rich it must mean God loves you and if you’re poor that’s due to your sins.
Puritanism meets prosperity gospel. The original Jesus would get crucified all over again if he set foot in this hellhole.
I am absolutely beyond broke on paper. My debts are well into the six figures and my bank account is in the low five figures.
I’m in my 40s and have a whopping $15k for retirement and no assets.
It’s pretty awesome.
I had $17k in the 401k when I was laid off from my last job - it had been twice that but there was that big collapse. Raised a lot of kids and couldn’t put much away. Always something but never much. That was in my 40s.
I am dug out now, mostly, in my 50s, not to the point I think I’ll retire but oh my God when I look at the difference between them and now it’s crazy, there is so much more.
I just want to say, don’t give up hope. I would never have dreamed that this would turn around and it did. And the kids grew up too.
Oh, sorry, I haven’t given up hope. It was sort of said with…a laugh. I do have some investments I’ve made as of late that are looking like they could pay off big…we’ll see. Either way, I still sleep okay at night and I have a roof over my head so I can’t complain.
I’ve been there. It sucks. But it was possible for me to get out. It took years. Be careful, and be ready to catch any luck that might come your way.
Honestly, not being a dick and caveat for me not knowing shit about you, but if you are curious enough about the topic to ask, you should take a quick finance course. Not like enroll in college or anything. I wanna say there are tons and tons of free to access resources for learning how debt and assets work that will undoubtedly improve how you manage your own money.
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I don’t know anyone pretending they aren’t broke in America…I know a lot of good people struggling paycheck to paycheck and that’s it. I love how Lemmy has become this echo chamber of hate for Americans when y’all are just as fucked in Europe and other countries too with so many similar or different issues. Imagine a little compassion for all people rather than assuming “America bad because America”. Just so incredibly sad and stupid to see how dumb so many people are… that kind of thought process is exactly the same type of people that vote for trump that have this same attitude about “insert race or country here”. Y’all need a reality check, yesterday…
Speaking of “paycheck to paycheck”:
I certainly have compassion for people who live paycheck to paycheck because they’re struggling to make ends meet, but not those living “paycheck to paycheck” who have the ability to save, but choose not to. And, despite popular belief, the majority of people in the “living paycheck to paycheck” category are actually the latter. But it’s easy to assume the former meaning (it’s more intuitive, after all), so those two ‘subsets’ are almost always (basically everywhere other than within the depths of the methodology of the research that yields the figures) conflated, and so “living paycheck to paycheck” is often used to great effect in rhetoric as a result.
The fact is, on average, Americans have more of an overspending problem, than an underearning one. Did you know that 48% of consumers earning over $100,000 a year, and over a third earning over $200,000 are “living paycheck to paycheck”? Meanwhile, 25% of those earning less than $50k aren’t living paycheck to paycheck (a demo I was part of until I eclipsed $50k a few years ago)—maybe it’s time to more closely examine what those people are doing, and follow their example.
It’s absurd that anyone making less than $50k a year is saving more money than someone making $200k.
In previous centuries with colonialism Europe was the cause of much disgrace in the world.
After WWII with neo colonialism it was either us or ussr imposing their way of life and values over the media, but overly exploiting resources and weakening both local economy and healthy politicians and putting dictators everywhere.
us bad fame still didn’t catch up with all the bad stuff they did and are still doing.
I’m American
I know that I’m broke and I’ll be working until I either go senile or die. It took me too long to start figuring things out.
who’s pretending they aren’t broke?
Cash liquidity =/= standard of living
A lot of people are in debt on things like cars and homes, that’s where a lot of the debt is. There is also credit card debt, but that’s a whole other thing. So long as people can make the payments on the loans, and those payments grow slower than their income, they can maintain a given standard of living.
Also a lot of the super rich make most of their money off of collateralized assets as a sort of tax dodge. Them being largely payed in assets that appreciate in value, they then take loans out against the value of the asset, and so long as the asset appreciates in value faster than the interest rate, they’re fine. Since the assets aren’t taxed until they are sold (unrealized gains) and they’re technically not selling the assets by using them as collateral against a loan, so they’re not taxed on that income. This situation also skews the numbers on “the average debt of Americans”.
Ultimately though, this is all a super fragile situation, and all it takes is for assets (like say a house or stock in a big tech company) to decrease in value for everything to explode.
There are also a lot of Americans who are not in such a situation and are limping along financially, trading debt for time, and live at a much lower standard of living.
It’s part of our culture. It dates back to when America was new. Plantation owners wanted to pretend we had a rich and powerful economy and history and culture. They made everything pristine and gaudy and exp wove looking but there was no substance. Look at the architectural decisions made in plantation houses and how the elements are still used in homes today.
We pretend we are better than we really are.
Because we want to spend our end of days in comfort
What’s important is how much you can buy, not how much money you have.
The US is big on wealth inequality, like most third-world countries. Yeah, lots of people are broke, but lots of people are also making 200k/year. Overall we’re definitely struggling, but that doesn’t mean everyone is struggling.
Lemmy also leans both older and into the tech demographic, which tends to be higher paid.
The US is big on wealth inequality
You misspelled “built”.
Who’s pretending?
We’re all broke. Unless you’re a boomer trying to sell a $0.50 house you bought in the 50s you paid for on a gas station cashier salary. They’re ok for the moment. But even a lot of them are going broke now too. Highest demographic of newly homeless last I heard.
Because those boomers who are broke were attempting to keep up with those who actually had money. I know a few examples…
It’s just temporary trust me.
Tonight is the night, I’m going to sleep and have 🗽the American Dream ™️ 🦅
