The vast majority of Israelis say they are not troubled by reports of famine and suffering in Gaza, a new poll released by the Israel Democracy Institute shows.
The survey shows that 79 percent of Jews in Israel were not troubled, or troubled at all, whereas 86 percent of “Arab” respondents were somewhat or very troubled by the reports about the war on Gaza.
The survey was conducted between 27-31 July.
Yes, poll after poll has shown this. Israelis by and large are behind the genocide. They’re okay with it they approve of it and they like it. They’re not being forced to murder an entire people. They’re gleeful about it.
Sick, fascist country. They need to be occupied, reconstructed, and de-nazified.
Don’t mistake government-controlled or government-aligned media propaganda with the actual civilian populace.
Would you trust Netanyahu’s allies to put out fair, representative journalism about what is important to the general population?
For sure, but we need to start with the US.
Russia said the same exact thing about Ukraine… maybe this is not a wise option in general.
And which genocide was Ukraine committing?
Russia accused them of a genocide in Donbass.
The point is that trying to rebuild countries is usually a very bad idea, especially by force. Germany and Japan after WWII are very rare examples in history.
Congratulations to israel for making the very rare examples list then.
What the brainless users here are suggesting is going to turn Israel into Afghanistan or Iraq, not into Japan or Germany. It’s been proven that country building just leads countries to become more extreme, and that shouldn’t be the goal.
Why would any of us care about any positive future for the israeli state? read the room, bud.
Ah I get now, you’re pro genocide and ethnic cleansing, just not when it conflicts with your ideological narratives. How convenient that you lack the very principles you harp on and on about.
Also make sure to stalk my profile and write a few hundred more comments. That will surely make you less of a troll
Yet showed no evidence. We have thousands of hours of footage for evidence against israel. Stupid comparison.
Lemmy users are against violence and imperialism, except when it aligns with their ideology, and then they become the most bloodthirsty bunch. No morals, no principles, no values. You can’t stomp out extremism with violence. The US tried to do it with Iraq and failed, Russia tried to do with Chechnya and failed, India tried to do it with Pakistan and failed, hell, Israel itself is trying to do that with Hamas and failing. Could it be that you can’t get rid of extremism with tanks and missiles? Could it be that you can’t fight abstract concepts like ideologies physically? The answer is obviously, no, you can’t as history clearly shows.
You’re sounding mighty Putinish there.
Dehumanization of the enemy is part of what enables genocidal actions.
Gaza genocide denials are new holocaust denials.
not even sure if it’s denial at this point, looks like the Israelis are well aware it’s happening and don’t care.
When I went to Israel last time I was genuinely surprised how many zealots there are. Most Israelis you meet outside of the country are just normal people but Israel itself is still full of mentally deranged. Religion is a hell of a drug.
If you really mean Israelis outside of Israel and not just Jewish people, that’s probably just code shifting. They know their opinions aren’t acceptable outside their bubble, so they keep quiet. It’s the same way a white supremacist will talk differently if they think any random white guy shares their views vs when an imposing minority is in the room.
My long-time ex was Jewish, can confirm. They were alright but their zionist relatives absolutely dropped some fucking bombs (proverbial, probably literal now) during family gatherings. The mildest was the tired old “part of being a good Jew is supporting Israel” ranging up to “Palestinians are subhuman and should be exterminated”. Mind, this was over twenty years ago and the situation has demonstrably escalated since.
I think it’s a little different. The Israelis who actually live or travel outside of Israel tend to usually be the educated, open minded ones. They’re usually the ones who want a two state solution and oppose wars. The whackos tend to stay in Israel. Not all Israelis are whackos, but all the Israeli whackos stay in Israel. It’s kind of like how the Americans who travel or live abroad tend to be liberal, but the MAGA types never even leave the country.
Never go back there
The reason for this is that Israel has a lot of ultra orthodox Jews, and they can be pinpointed as THE source of the insanity inside the country. They don’t contribute economically, they’re always calling for wars and violence but they refuse to participate in the military, they throw tantrums when anything doesn’t go their way, and they’re always trying to coerce society to be more religiously extreme.
Yeah it’s so disappointing to see a culture being held hostage by extremists. It’s almost like west Asia can never fucking escape these zealots ruining it for everybody.
As someone wirh west Asian roots I wonder how incredible the region would be without religion.
What horrible pieces of shit.
Dehumanisation succesful.
They’ve been conditioned over the decades to consider them to be subhuman. I’m not saying that they are innocent, just that this is what they believe. Their propaganda is so effective that they no longer feel remorse for killing them as they see them as savages or monsters. In fact, they see themselves as the heroes of the story. And with every western country backing them up and giving them more weapons, what else would they think?
No, they probably even enjoy those reports.
about half say they outright want to kill every palestinian. Half said no to that, but I imagine for some portion of those if a genocide happened without their explicitely supporting it, theyd be thrilled.
Yes they’re demons. We know.
Don’t call fascists demons. They’re people. Any people can go fascist when the circumstances are right. This “fascists are demons, not reasonable people like us” attitude breeds complacency and an unwillingness to look directly at what fascism is and how it arises and functions, and that’s part of the reason fascism has come back to bite us hard.
Middle East Eye is a notorious propaganda outlet, especially on this conflict. I would take anything they say with a grain of salt, including their interpretations of polls and surveys. I personally recommend everybody here to actually look at the original source and the same information referenced directly from there. The survey cited in this article is pretty extensive, and I think it’s worth taking a look at:
So exactly what the article states. Jewish Israelis do not believe mass starvation of Palestinians matters.
That’s not the point of my comment. I’m saying it’s best practice in general to consume and spread information directly from the original source. That way you’re more likely to get the info as is instead of having it be filtered or modified in certain way by a middleman outlet.
idi.org.il is an israeli site. No thanks pal.
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It’s the primary source of this post dingus. You’re consuming it either way. If you find it preferable to digest the info through a notoriously narrative driven outlet as a middle man, then that’s your problem
middleeasteye is the primary source of this post. And if you are going to call me names I’ll flag that and have your comments removed.
Complaining about propaganda then post yourself s propagands source. You so weird
It’s the primary source of this post… Lemmy’s media literacy is nonexistent
Sir, this is Lemmy. Get your information hygiene out of there!
…Seriously though, subtle rewording makes a huge difference:
The majority of Jewish respondents think that, given the circumstances of the fighting in Gaza, Israel is making efforts to avoid causing suffering to the Palestinian population there. The majority of Arab respondents think that even with the restrictions imposed by the fighting, Israel could have done more to reduce this suffering. Among Jews, only on the Left is there a majority who think that Israel is not making the necessary efforts to reduce suffering.
On a personal level, the majority in the Center and on the Right (Jewish respondents) say that they are not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza. On the Left, the majority reported that they are personally troubled by these reports.
The majority of the Jewish public believes the IDF’s reporting on the extent of Palestinian civilian casualties in Gaza
In other words, Jewish respondents believe Israel is making efforts to avoid suffering, not that they approve of the suffering, and the national mood is very low.
Propaganda works.
So do clickbait tabloid headlines.
Sorry bud, the original source doesn’t make Israelis look better.
Israelis think that because they believe the IDF. You literally just read the first paragraph and are acting like the responsible one doing real research.
because they believe the IDF.
Exactly.
They believe what they’re told. But the headline makes it seem like they’re cheering on starvation in front of their eyes.
They are.
They’ve been on social media cheering it on since 2023. Civilians/reservists have been forming human chains to block humanitarian aid that WAS allowed to go in. This isn’t a shocking new development, it is what has been explicitly stated, expressed, and demonstrated for multiple years now.
They act like they don’t know, everybody know about the genocide. Extremists are shown on israeli tv channels all the time
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How can they see all the videos and humsn right reports of israel terrorism and still think that. They simply doing genocide denialism
Most of y’all weren’t bothered by the reports of all the bombing, pillaging and starvation the US caused my country, but that’s in the past right? The ancient past known as 1984 but Americans will just say “that want me”
It wasn’t just your country!
The US is responsible for a shit ton of suffering. It is kind of our thing.
Funny, I’m not bothered by Israeli death and suffering either. 🤷
This is the type of unhinged take that shouldn’t be welcomed in discourse. The reason why people are critical of Israel or Russia or Saudi Arabia or Iran or whatever is because they’re not bothered enough by the death and suffering. The whole point is to get them to deradicalize as a society so they won’t dehumanize other people. We went to bring them to the level everybody else is at, radicalizing ourselves to dehumanize them, that’s just making the problem worse.
ok gorilladrums, so tell us that you believe in universal human rights.
Clearly you don’t believe in them
I strongly believe in them. Your turn. Say it.
Say that Palestinians have rights because they are human beings.
But you’re literally arguing against them in this very thread
And there it is, you wont say it.
That’s exactly as surprising as the sunrise.
