Pinning this as it’s HUGE.
Live updates here:
https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-attack
CNN is reporting a 2nd wave of attacks is ongoing right now.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-12-25-hnk-intl
Yeah this isn’t a small strike. They went after the leaders of Iran and their nuclear sites all at once.
Looks like they got the head of the Revolutionary Guard too.
To be clear, FUCK Israel-
but if you’re going to do this, this is the way to do it. War is hell, and the objective should be to do whatever is necessary to bring your opponent to the table for surrender or negotiation as quickly as possible and avoid a prolonged engagement. In any other era we wouldn’t even be discussing this.
Again, though, for those in the back- fuck Israel.
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You know when you make a statement, then say “but” it negates the statement, yeah?
Targetted military installations, Israel said. But seems they instead hit residential apartment complexes. So, yet another war crime.
Well this is Israel’s big skillset. They are a culture organized around the oppression and murder of innocents.
Iranian revolutionary guard generals are not innocent and actually quite good at oppression.
Well, I never said they were. They aren’t the only ones being targeted. The kind of pedantic excuse crafting that you’re doing right here, is the kind of nonsensical rationalization that is always deployed when that vicious, violent, predatory nation does what it always does.
I hate to sound like I’m defending Israel, but it’s possible Iran shot down some of their missiles, which have to go somewhere. It’s looking like the vast majority of the strikes were aiming for military targets.
Israel admitted they targetted apartment buildings where leaders lived. Its not a missile shootdown.
If you shoot down a missle it shouldn’t explode on impact and cause massive building damage like we are seeing in the photos. The largest thing you should see is like a street sign sticking into a building wall. It’s more likely the missiles missed if we are giving credit, but I doubt it. We’ll see when 3 days of this shit ends and what targets ended up being hit
They targeted military leaders in those apartments. So still military targets of some sort.
No. When a military attacks a civilian structure like that they have to prove they acted proportionally, and that they acted to minimize casualties of innocents. Israel never provides that proof and they do this all the time, so absent that poof they are legally war crimes. Its well established law. There is no “of a sort” – theres war crimes and not war crimes. Israel commits war crimes and this was yet another war crime. They cant just pretend any amount of dead civilians near a “target” is just fine. Thats not how any of this works. It’d be the same war crime if they blew up a stadium full of people to kill one man.
They don’t need to publish proof according to international law and it’s uncommon for any country to provide that. Operational security usually precludes that anyway. Proof and such come into play in a trial or Knesset parliamentary inquiry. Both of which have brought clarity in the past on Israeli action.
Proportionality assessment is done by IDF officers and lawyers. They want their asses covered, because war crimes are also crimes under Israeli law and they want to continue traveling abroad. Proportionality is always judged by if the action is conducive to reach the military objective, while at the same time minimizing civilian casualties and damages. Zero civilian casualties is not required according to international humanitarian law.
Anything Israel does is immediately labeled a war crime by some parties, regardless of what’s actually going on.
It’d be the same war crime if they blew up a stadium full of people to kill one man.
That would only be proportional under special circumstances, like if that man was extremely important, time was critical, and there was no other feasible way to target and get him. If that one man is a combatant and legitimate military target, he is also committing a war crime by hiding among civilians using them as human shields.
So in the case of man in a stadium it would have to be literally Hitler about to launch another world war to justify blowing up the whole building. You can only get him there, because he‘s in the bunker connected to the stadium at all other times. In that case the stadium would also be filled with high ranking officers and party officials, but you said only one man. If you have a precision guided missile able to blow up only the VIP lodge, that would change the proportionality assessment of course. Proportionality depends on the objective.
Israel‘s attacks on the apartment buildings only took out specific apartments, not destroy the whole building. This can be seen on footage from Iranian tv.
So no, it’s not the same war crime, if it’s even a war crime.
You don’t have a clue, do you?
I very much do, I live here.
Except for the weapons we sold them, the intel reports we provided, etc, etc.
Not to diminish the other grave consequences of this strike, but because of Trump’s tariffs and other erratic behavior, the U.S. economy is teetering on the edge of recession. This strike has already caused oil prices to jump significantly, which will almost certainly speed the onset and deepen the depth of the coming recession.
No US involvement
Beyond the billions upon billions in weapons and sales that we’ve sent them, and keep sending them, of course
I’ve heard enough, let’s send 3 trillion dollars to Israel to help them fight the oppression they’re facing 😞😞😞
OK, I get that Israel has the right to exist but for fucking once can it please just exist for 5 fucking minutes?
Ever heard the saying, “spare the rod, spoil the child”?
This is what happens. Your kid turns into a fuckin bully that punches above his weight because his dad is a cop and no one wants to stand up to him.
And now he’s brought a Glock to school.
When your kid start installing his agents in the very foundation of western countries to ensure no one oppose him for when he start murdering innocents and raging wars, please just shoot him in the face and rid the world of him.
Oh the story of Israel’s nonsense over the past 60 plus years is so messed up. I made the comparison in jest, but it’s crazy.
They really are the worst ride or die ally of all time. And the geopolitical math hasn’t made any sense since the cold war ended. Unless you have a secret religious need for the end of days.
It’s trying to not stop existing.
By starting a war it’s destined to lose?
brutal racist colonization is not “trying to not stop existing”.
By murdering everyone around?
That’s the opposite of what I’m seeing.
DUDE, can we just like, stop, for a moment?
Just one day without “unprecedented times” would be great, tbh
Israel is digging its own grave. Sadly with other people’s blood.
These Zionist criminals are going to kill us all
Israel’s war with fucking everyone around it, is like the bullshit wars South Africa fought with all its neighbours.
This Apartheid regime, like that Apartheid regime needs to end. It needs to be crushed and reformed.
When Barghouti is the president of the post-Apartheid State of Israel and Palestine, we can start having peace. You may say I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one etc etc etc.
Bullshit! Who in the hell supplied the satellite intelligence and targeting data. You MAGA fucks better do your “patriotic” duty, sign up for 11 Bravo (Grunt Infanttry) and gear up to invade Iran.
WW3 speedrun any%
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Hey Israel, do you know the definition of “getting pounded” ??
Because you’re about to be. Imagine if Iran takes out their Airbases.
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