Ah yes the one demonstration to push a government to the left and organize labor that tankies don’t like acknowledging
No, there was another one, interestingly at the exact same time, in Poland. They don’t like that one either.
Could you be more specific? I hadn’t heard about that before
The Solidarity movement, started in 1980 as a series of labor strikes, formed into a large trade union and then a political movement demanding workers’ rights, actual worker control over means of production, and similar socialist policies. It finally forced and won a public election in 1989 (on the very same day of the Tiananmen square crackdown) which in turn led to the end of communist (and Russian) rule in Poland.
Quite ironic, when you think about it… - the working class defeating the communist party!
Having to live in an authoritarian shithole takes its toll on you after a while.
When oliver Anthony sings that he’s an old world man struggling to live in a new world, all I think about is how strong the old world fought to unionize the work force. I didn’t even know about it until this year. The 1900s labour movement was intense and interesing. Especially reading about it from the future which helps put a lot of current politics into perspective.
a political movement demanding workers’ rights, actual worker control over means of production, and similar socialist policies.
They demanded this, won, and then ignored all of it and introduced neoliberal capitalism pretty much straight away?
Only idiots want communism.
The mods are asleep. Crosspost this to all the lemmy.ml communities.
Bro China is not real, it’s just the back of Taiwan.
Taiwan numba 1
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West Taiwan did some bad shit.
Has the 50 cent party found us yet? 🤣
For those not around when that happened, i remember it this way, after 20 years of booze, weed & hookers:
The student protest was extremely peaceful and organized. There were student delegations that would report up to student representatives, educatio delegation, housing delegation, for example. The representatives were negotiating with Party people. It was unclear at the time if the Party people were indicative of the top brass. But there was a worldwide feeling something good and right might be changing in China. If I recall correctly this went on for weeks, so the implications were setting in.
Then it all changed when the Fire Nation attacked.
What the video & still represent is not 1 man facing a line of tanks. It a culmination of a generation of students frustrated enough but clever enough to find a way to negotiate a change and when the Army came in they knew they failed. The world knew they failed. The question was how badly that failure was. There were a few days when nothing happened after this video. Then it happened all at once. And the rest as they say is History – repression, violence, killing, abductions, lost family members, and rewriting history.
Like the Velvet Revolutions of the Middle East, it was a short time of hope for a better future, for the students & for their nation.
That feeling stays & that feeling is what China wants their populace to forget - and you forget by meming this historic picture without context.
P.S I don’t know if the man was ever found out, but I hope he stays anonymous.
Are you at least paid to write this emotional propaganda fantasy? Chinese students didn’t give a damn how you felt.
Can we morph the Tiananmen Square into a hyperbolic shape next?
That’s just a Tiananmen 2d circle with stretching though.
Just like nothing every happened in the ‘spirit’ of British Colonialism. I believe it was lots of productive civil gentlemanly conversations that resulted in happiness and joy for everyone.
Or that maybe what was taught in school. Maybe not so good things happened and Britain has a very very big rug that they sweep lots of things under. We will never know.
The Crown did nothing wrong :( /s
Nothing happened on Tienanmen square, how naive are you all. The British ambassador inventer a tad too detailed horror stories, based on “trusted sources”. In fact, the students protesting killed a PLA soldier but after a talk with the intervention force decided to clear square peacefully. The deaths happened elsewhere but we have almost no information about those. People protested against different things, some were for liberal freedom, some for more communism. We know what told us the Western “objective” press.
Yes, a censorship state is muuuuch more objective.
Shouldn’t you be checking your banking accounts to see how many are at risk of getting closed off without warning due to defaults from the Evergrande crash?Everything is fine, nothing to see here. - CCP
So the west is still hunting communists to this day? Easier than fixing climate or providing healthcare I guess.
Huh?
Care to explain what was communist in the event except the name of the party that enacted the massacre and maybe some of the people who died?
I wonder why an event that happened almost before I was born is so important to some people here. Why aren’t we showcasing how monstrous Hitler was burning people for racism then? That’s far more fitting to the situation of most western countries that are all leaning on fascism and racism. Some western countries like France are not far from crushing protestors with tanks btw.
But I guess the cold war world of 40 years ago is more comfortable. There was this nice black and white taint where capitalists were the good guys against evil communists. And we must now bring back all the sins of China and USSR to never forget what they did, so can be blind to what’s happening now I guess.
People throwing “tankies” everywhere are worth no more than any Russian troll honestly.
You didn’t answer my question.
To answer yours, maybe it’s because Germany has literal museums dedicated to education about the horrors of its past while China tries to hide them and has that same party in power. That’s slightly different.
Also don’t fool yourself. The Cold War was capitalists against capitalists that called themselves communists. Real communism never existed for more than a week in any country in the world.
He. If you want to criticise China you should talk about ouïghours or Hong Kong. Tiananmen is irrelevant. It’s as relevant as slavery in the US. Aren’t you busy killing black people these days btw?
Definitely not as relevant since you can talk about slavery and it’s widely condemned (by the ruling party, at least).
I’m also not American, but nice try.
I don’t care where you live. You’re not Chinese yet you care about tiananmen apparently. But you don’t care about slavery in the US apparently. Nor about fascism eventhough it’s making a comeback in all western countries.
Which proves my point: tiananmen is not about China. It’s a symbol of communist oppression. And a Godwin point to end any discussion about communism. And a liberal fuck you to all leftists and communists of lemmy. There’s a reason I’ve never read “tankie” before I read lemmy.
I care about slavery and I care about fascism. Am I not allowed to care about those things and at the same time about the fact that the second-most populated country in the world is a literal dictatorship?
Again, there was nothing communist about Tiananmen, nor there is anything communist about the current CCP. It’s just fascism under a different name. Invent a time machine and bring back Marx to see this shit, he definitely wouldn’t be happy about it.
I think you’re underestimating the simple anti-authoritarian spirit in many. Why are Tiananmen Massacre posts so popular? Because they’re forbidden, and freedom of expression is a big deal for many, many people. Not just Americans
Forbidden? Hahaha that’s so funny!
That’s pure anti-china propaganda. Anti-left propaganda even. It’s a Godwin point.
There’s a saying in French : it’s easier to see the straw on the neighbor nose than the beam you have in the eye.
If you want to criticised China you should talk about the current, these days genocide they’re doing. Or about Hong Kong. Tiananmen is a Godwin point, in my generation you’d only know about it if you’re exposed to liberal propaganda. Because as a historical event it is irrelevant.
Obvious troll is obvious.
The troll is the OP posting this picture if you ask me.
The real shit is always in the comments.
