Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’
Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.
Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”
The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.
Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
Right?Oh boy you rustled some jimmies. Idk that I’ve seen a single comment where every response was down voted for being shitty takes.
I’m sure all of those third party and non voters are jerking off all over themselves for saving Palestine and ending the genocide through Donald Trump.
Hey, at least they’ve got their pedestals to look down on us from.
Oh boy you rustled some jimmies.
That might be an understatement lol.
I’m still getting comments, threats, and suggestions to commit suicide on this post, and other comments and posts I’ve made going back at least a year.They’re so mad they’re been browsing my comment history to find more things to get pissed off about lol.
I love pissing off fascists and all the attention let’s me know I’m on the right track.Same. I’ve had cancer wished on me, suicide, and a few other things. Like you said, it’s solidly let me know the kind of people that I’m criticizing.
Someone lost a friend in Lebanon, and that’s sad. I’m sure if they were still here, they’d be stoked that their friend effectively supported Donald Trump to help out though.
I doubt that anyone ever claimed Trump would end the genocide on Palestinians from outside a troll farm in St. Petersburg.
Plenty of people in Michigan did.
I meant people who aren’t right-wing idiots cheering on the fascist takeover. Thought that was clear from context, my bad.
Some of them I’m sure thought it, but definitely a minority. It’s the fact that Gaza was used as a means to target Harris, and against all evidence suggesting it would be the same or worse, didn’t do the same to condemn Trump.
Or she could’ve just not had a genocidal platform. That would have made things much easier.
You’re right, it would have, but the reality was Trump or Harris. It was still an extremely easy decision, but it would have been better if the less shitty candidate was even less shitty.
People on this very site did, absolutely, and some of them were definitely Americans
The original comment is a shitty take. Biden was sending billions in weapons to israel to carry out its mission of genocide. He continued doing this even though people were begging him to stop during an election when he needed their votes. Harris continued his rhetoric. You and Chainweasel think that somehow Biden/Harris would have changed course after they didn’t need the votes. Now you’re talking about people jerking all over themselves while you and Chainweasel admonish voters for not picking the correct genocide-enabler-in-chief. Hope you have good balance on that pedestal of yours because it’s really high up.
You got worse than what you were protesting. Good job. Huge success!
Congrats to the democrats for prioritizing genocide over beating trump, I guess.
All this time Kang was the right choice! Down with Kronos!!!
Child.
You understand what you already know, and nothing more
Ok, so assume all things equal, everything happens the same in Gaza… Trump is still significantly worse in every other facet. So yea, all third party voters and non voters are fucking moronic Trump supporters. A bunch of ignorant fuckwits that think that they made a difference by standing up against the establishment. Congrats, we got Trump.
There’s only so many ways to say that there were two outcomes last November, and everyone knew that. If y’all can’t wrap your head around that reality 6 months later, then that says everything about your ability to reason.
Why I don’t get is why the democrats ran a chicken race with democracy for a widely despised policy when they knew the stakes. We can call the electorate morons all day and even have point, but they are supposed to be smart.
The most basic job responsibility of a politician is to get elected. Democrats’ only platform is “at least we’re not as bad as the other guys” but the other guys only get worse and worse while democrats follow along, making sure to be just different enough to make people think they have a choice, but not different enough to change the course of our country and its servitude to the ultra-rich.
You’re arguing with people on here who most likely voted for Harris. I know I did. However, who I vote for doesn’t matter when democrats are so bad at looking appealing and fighting for a winning chance that my vote is drowned out by others not paying attention or who are gerrymandered away (or otherwise suppressed).
I’m specifically arguing with/against non voters, 3rd party voters, and Trump voters. I also pinched my nose and voted for Harris in November. I’m not going to argue for the democratic party, because it’s the second worst major party in the US, and they suck. Unfortunately, we are a FPtP nation, so in the general we get two options and get to pick who’s less bad. Lot’s of people that voted for Harris did so with that in mind.
The main argument was never “Trump is no worse than Harris”. To argue against this is fighting windmills.
The argument has always been, of the two candidates, one of which will win, which is less bad? People that voted third party or didn’t vote decided that Trump is less bad.
No it wasn’t. That’s disregarding a heap of systemic criticism and historical and moral considerations.
It was, because that’s reality. It does disregard a lot of criticism, because again, at the end of the day, there were two candidates, and one was going to win. Harris wasn’t, imo, a good candidate, but Trump was a far worse.
In the US, it’s been that way for the better part of the past century, because FPtP always devolves to a two party system. This past election was no different.
1 million upvotes for you. “Hope you’re happy Trump got elected. Palestine is doing great now” etc. is such a tired cliche at this point. I’m astonished that it gets upvoted every. single. time. Harris literally said she wouldn’t do anything different from Biden. She would have allowed/financed the genocide all the same, but she’d be calling the “tragic loss of life” a “very complex issue.” I have no idea where this fantasy comes from that she would suddenly be the hero who stands up to Israel.
She would have been better for the world as a whole than Trump. If you truely think that things would have played out exactly the same in Gaza with Harris as POTUS, then it still comes down to two candidates last November, and every person knew that one of them would win. So a vote for Trump, a non vote, or a third party vote directly benefited Trump.
“Oh but I voted against genocide”, fuck no you didn’t. You voted in a manner that directly put Trump in charge, which was the worst possible outcome.
To be clear, I voted for Harris, and I implored everyone I know to vote for Harris, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I will always vote for the farthest-left candidate in the general, full-stop. I’m not arguing that both sides are the same, or that Harris wouldn’t have been a better choice for 100 reasons outside of the genocide issue. I’m arguing that Harris gave no indication that she would defend Palestine or even recognize the genocide at all. She might well have done those things, but she didn’t campaign on that, so I don’t know why anyone is defending her on the issue. Establishment Dems can’t seem to get it through their heads that progressive policies are popular, so we keep getting general elections between an absolute monster and a neolib Dem saying, “Vote for me or you’ll get the monster!” That might be the reality, but it’s not a platform.
I live in a blue state, and I had people around me arguing that whether they voted third-party or didn’t vote at all, they would be able to sleep at night knowing that A. they didn’t vote for genocide and B. the state would go blue anyway. I don’t agree with that position at all. I want third parties to be represented in the US, but that starts at the local level and in the primaries. By the general election it’s too late and we realistically have two options. I also believe that shutting down any criticism of the Dem candidate (e.g. a now-banned user told me to kill myself) is a good way to alienate people and discourage them from engaging with the process at all. The right has banned nuance from their discourse, and I refuse to allow the same thing to happen around me.
I agree with you on everything you wrote.
I’m not trying to say that Harris would have been good for Palestine, or even a good POTUS. I’m saying she was the less bad option overall in the election. I don’t know that anything would be different with Israel had she won, but I think there was a better chance that she would have done something good over Trump doing something good. That could still be a negligible chance, but it was the better of two chances.
Like you said, local elections and primaries (when they’re held, but that’s separate from this overall conversation) are when to vote for different parties and more fringe candidates. One of two people is already the winner in the election by the time November rolls around, so it comes down to least bad.
It could be argued that trump is actually better for the world (but not for the US) since he’s ruining the US’s soft power by tearing up alliances and expressing blatant corruption, making the US look incompetent and completely untrustworthy. Now other countries are finding alternatives, making the US not as central as it used to be. He is perhaps the most effective tool in helping the US empire fall.
You could also argue that this is accelerationism, but to be fair, democrats take advantage of accelerationism all the time (e.g. “republicans have repealed reproductive rights, donate even more money to us so we can fight it” while letting things get worse and worse, barely putting up a fight to make long-lasting changes and indeed letting things get this bad so they can position themselves as the only “solution”).
All, unfortunately, true.
Edit: Unfortunate for us in the US, not necessarily unfortunate for the rest of the world in some aspects. I still think as a whole his influence and other actions probably still make him worse for the world, but there is a valid argument about nations growing less dependent on the US.
Hopefully in 3.5 years (or please God, less), the US will be knocked down a peg on the world stage, other nations have a more diverse and stable trade relationships, and maybe Trump’s actions will help spark other countries into action against hard right politics to prevent the same thing from happening to them. Ideally, this could be a catalyst for positive change, but I’m not holding my breath.
As a lib I am deeply ashamed that we have missed a historic opportunity of electing a black woman to unquestioningly, unequivocally and fully support the destruction of Palestine all the while lying about “working round the clock to stop the Israel-Hamas war”.
Well, you got a orange man who wants to accelerate the destruction, ethnically cleanse the population and build a hotel on the ashes. At least he’s too dumb to lie about it. Yay?
Remember when Biden literally voted against the two-state solution at the UN?
Look, I was the first person in threads to call these people out back in February. And March… But it’s June. This shit accomplishes nothing now beyond creating more unnecessary division.
I don’t even disagree, it’s just not productive to constantly harp on this when we’ve all heard it a million times
I don’t even disagree, it’s just not productive to constantly harp on this when we’ve all heard it a million times
Man, there are people who still believe that helping fascism win was a good idea. Look in this very comment thread, where people are openly extolling the virtues of having Trump win from a ‘leftist’ standpoint, and teaching those damn dirty SHITLIBS a lesson.
As long as those opinions remain widespread on here, it remains necessary to highlight just how morally repugnant they are.
The zionists won. It doesn’t need reminding.
A movement tried to make Palestine a relevant political issue for the electorate. It got stomped out. I don’t get this sentiment to keep stomping.
A movement tried to make Palestine a relevant political issue for the electorate. It got stomped out.
No, it succeeded in its goal - making sure the fascist won.
What are you accomplishing here?
how the fck this has so many votes ? that scum did nothing but lie about it for a year. that trash had failed upward his entire political carrier by bankrolling with aipac blood money.
he is the biggest reason harris lost and was probably told to do so by israel.
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Biden is past episode. CUVFEC is the main problem.
Get over yourself mate. We haven’t memory holed genocide Joe.
To the downvoters. Biden supplied the weapons, the political cover and the witchunt against domestic dissent. These policies were all continued by Trump.
Matthew Miller and Blinken shed lots of crocodile tears but continued to support Netanyahu for 18 months. There was no serious effort at stopping the genocide under the Democrats
Great, now you got the genocide still going AND a fascist takeover of your country, with even less possibility to change anything and plenty of distractions to the Palestinians cause because your country is falling apart around you.
Genocide Joe walked so Fascist Donald could run.
Fascism didn’t start in January. It’s been a steady, forty-year march aided and abetted by every president since Carter.
I generally agree with your premise up until the point where you argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.
NOTHING has been gained by this, NOTHING changed for the better, it only got harder to bring about change. The people who could’ve mobilized and fought for those causes are now busy trying to stop the gestapo from deporting their neighbors.
argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.
Either you’re putting up a straw man or you didn’t read what I wrote correctly.
He correctly understood the context in which you wrote it, which was defending fascist-accelerationist non-voters and third-party voters.
Okay, Jan.
I won’t even bother entertaining you or them, but just for funsies, go look up who gave Tom Homan his first federal appointment.
You’re welcome to your incorrect interpretation, and I hope you have a pleasant evening.
I mean as disgusting as this is he is really just saying the quiet part loud. There was never any plan to give the Palestinians a state. Oslo was a con to legitimise land confiscation and to neutralise the Palestinian resistance of the time (the PLO).
The US did literally nothing while the Zionists flooded the West Bank with settlements over the last 30 years but kept up the “2 state solution” as a rhetorical shield.
People just like to pretend the quite part “aka Biden - Obama policies” was never been there.
If at any given point, the US said “sanction for two state solution” it will take a few months before they come to a solution.
“No longer”.
It is great that the Trump administration is dropping the fake pretenses.
Nothing new here, the US has always supported the genocidal state of Israel. The US is complicit in the massacre, genocide and war crimes committed by Israel.
Americans: “We are still trash.”
World: “We know.”
From the river to the sea, fuck Israel.
The US was never pursuing such a thing, it was always to string Palestine along while israel goes in butchering the people and land to take for themselves completely.
no shit. lol.
Hope for humanity really is just dead. It was a great idea, but just way too early. Probably have at least another 2k years to go before we get our act together. If we even last that long.
I figure the corvids and raccoons deserve a chance to be dominant species at this point.
I really, really hope that one of them develops a higher heat tolerance and can pick up vaguely where we left off. Hopefully the ecosystem isn’t fucked enough to just kill everything.
The messaging changed, but the policy didn’t
I think it should be carved out of Texas.
They’ve got lots of empty space, the weather sucks, they’ll be surrounded with idiot bigots. They ought to feel right at home.
We already have east Palestine, we could just put it a few miles west of there.
oh, because I was unsure.
Those probably won’t happen “in our lifetime”, he told the news agency.
He meant either free Palestine not happen soon or his life ends soon. I think he’s just cursing himself.
So a one state solution, right?
Right?
Technically, yes. A final solution if you will
