Who besides everyone with half a brain could have seen this coming?

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    It was more of an educated vs uneducated discussion.

    I guess some Americans learned they were lied to, but they probably won’t believe it anyways…

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    There was never any argument, there was the indisputable fact that that’s how it is, and then there was lying Trump MAGA propaganda denying the facts.

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    The “argument” was that the idiots who enacted the tariffs without understanding what tariffs are were trying to push the blame anywhere else, and pretty much everyone has clocked their bullshit

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    Donald Trump was wrong. Donald Trump is wrong. He does not understand tariffs or trade economies at all. He is all brazen bluster while being sneaky about other things.

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    THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF TARIFFS!!! JFC. The fantasy is that if we pay more for imported goods domestic goods will become more competitive. If prices don’t go up we aren’t incentivized to change our buying habits. Is this not fucking obvious?

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    Really, there is only two good reasons to make tariffs. One is to increase the price of goods coming from outside of the country vs the price of goods made in the country. Americans paying more is a feature. This, of course, makes us mad when we pay for those more expensive things and makes us more likely to buy the things made in America. This anger isn’t politically expedient, so the Trumper lies to make it seem like there will be no change and that gets to be the big news item.

    The second reason for tariffs is to make American goods cheaper in other countries. Ideally If he sets the tariffs to automatically match the tariffs other countries have on imports of American goods, those countries will adjust their tariffs down to make their goods sell better in America. Then, supposing that happens, American goods would be more competitive in those markets.

    In theory all that is pretty fair… especially if the tariffs are exactly matching the other country’s tariffs.

    Arbitrary or punitive tariffs are counter-productive to both of those items.

    Unfortunately, it seems like this basic theory is as far as anybody is planning. Also, Trump is loud and obnoxious about everything that is done.

    The biggest obvious problem is that the US doesn’t have the manufacturing capabilities anymore, so disrupting the trade hurts American companies designed around getting their manufacturing done outside of the country.

    People’s wages and living expenses are planned around cheap imports, this puts a strain on the lowest paid people in our country.

    Really, if the tariffs ‘work out’ then it is a good thing, but they definitely seem to be ham-fisting it.