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This AR obsession is utterly baffling to me. There are so few real applications and the hardware requirements are insane so it’s not something that will get widely adapted anyway. Sure in a decade or so it might have matured enough to have shed all these issues, but AR/VR feels like a really out of touch thing to prusue, especially if you look at the garbage ideas they have on how to use it - virtual meetings??
I get movies and games on these, possibly even some recording and porn, but these are not their B2B wet dreams anyway.
I’d really just like some glasses that simulate multiple monitors without needing special software. That’s all I want
I want a GTA style HUD at all times 🤪
Current wanted level by the police would be quite handy
Health bar, bank account balance, number of steps in the day, calories burned, my next calendar event
Arguably just gps instructions and step tracking superimposed on reality would be a great use of AR
Definitely. AR has a lot of potential, also could go sideways and have ads shoved in your peripheral view all the time too.
Gotta need some insane resolution for that right? And 1000hz refresh to make things good I guess.
I mean for text editing, coding etc.
The resolution thing is actually almost solved IMO. I used my Quest 3 in AR mode almost every single day and the screens are perfectly fine for reading text or having a video on in the background.
Yeah there’s still some screen door effect but it’s really only noticeable when I look for it, it disappears in normal use.
And I genuinely can’t think of a reason you would need 1000hz displays. Human eyes start to get steady motion at like 50-60 and 90-150 is when the normal eye starts to hit the limit.
It depends on what you mean by special software, but current VR headsets already do that out of the box, it’s just that their built-in multi monitor stuff is not amazing. Without any special software, you could have multiple apps open, and those apps could be any android app(including browsers or relatively bad desktop experiences like dex). The third party stuff you can download or buy is just way better. And it’s also way better when the multiple monitors are your computer’s monitors. Cuz then they have 50x the horsepower behind them. For current headsets, generally the best option is Virtual Desktop, if you don’t need more screens than can be handled by high quality timewarp layers. You can get clear 4k or 5740x1080, or anything smaller. With other multi desktop options, you can get more total screens, but there is no point to picking anything above 1080p since even that is already not rendered clearly.
Solutions for current VR/MR/XR headsets will follow to VR/MR/XR glasses, since headsets and glasses are slowly meeting in the middle. Headsets will continue to shrink while packing in the same or more tech, and the glasses will slowly be able to handle more and more tech in their tiny frames.
There will always be full size headsets, but they will essentially be the PC equivalent to the glasses being the smart phone equivalent. We will also likely still have PCs, but it’s concievable that a smartphone won’t be necessary for most people anymore. And even for the people that would still want a smartphone, a “processing puck” for the glasses would be the more likely solution. Give them pocket computer level power instead of smart watch level. So you can play good games on them, like 10-15 years ago-then pc game graphics.
overlaying ads on literally everything could be the end goal.
Apple is not that strong in the overlaying ads over everything department though.
But Apple will happily take a 30% cut of everything bought using the AR glasses.
We need laws restricting advertising
This AR obsession is utterly baffling to me.
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It’s a mobile phone you don’t need to hold.
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It’s a mobile phone that never goes in your pocket.
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It’s a mobile phone that is always on and has access to everything you see and hear.
It’s a bummer than those sound like bad things simply because corporate abuse is always a forgone conclusion. If your data was truly private and always entirely under your control and ONLY your control, those would be really attractive features.
Totally. I’d also love to train a LLM on my own personal data and preferences, but there is no way I’m trusting a corporation that information.
Some implementations also have the problem of constantly pointing cameras at non-consenting passers-by.
Exactly, it’s literally just the next step more convenient than a smartphone. You know how many people have neck and back problems now from smartphones? Not having to look at your hands or even hold anything in your hands is going to be so much better. Not having to pull your phone out of your pocket for a map or a web search or a text or to translate stuff(visual or audio). Having both hands free while doing the things your current phone does, or new things a current phone can’t do.
It’s going to be so much nicer, and sure, the first one is gonna be expensive and not perfect, but it only needs nerds to start with anyway. We’ll make sure it gets to a point where it doesn’t annoy normal people and offers real value. And while the most popular ones will inevitably be the ones made with walled gardens like apple and meta, there will be good ones too for us nerds to move to once we have finished beta testing the mass market ones for you guys.
It’s the same as every tech product cycle. You know the main thing preventing wider adoption of VR/MR/XR right now? Headsets don’t look cool… so, once they are a pair of glasses, or sun glasses, the main barrier is gone. Can’t say people wouldn’t spend 500$ to 2000$ on something as un-necessary as a smartphone every couple of years. They very much do. And if you no longer need to buy or carry a smartphone, all of a sudden you got exactly that amount of money in your pocket.
I want an open source version of this https://www.evenrealities.com/
Yeah, open source third party ones come a little later. But they will come.
It’s also a device that can literally put your imagination in front of you in the real world.
A corporate marketers imagination. Yes.
or what I chose to 3D paint in my living room… it’s not all just corporate hellscape you know
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A Quest 3 isn’t “insane.” It does AR just fine for a few hundred bucks. There ARE real world applications and more coming all the time. The education and medical fields in particular can benefit greatly from such tech.
Maybe it’s as simple as the next big product. When smartphones were new, nobody foresaw just how huge they’d become. Nobody could have foreseen what a force they’d turn Apple into. But now improvements are simply iterative, the market is nearing saturation, there’s not much room left to expand what’s next?
Maybe AR. It’s a really cool technology just now becoming practical to implement. Think of them as where smartphones were 15 years ago. Maybe they won’t go anywhere but imagine if they did! Imagine being the company most associated with the next hit tech product!
Apple risks stagnating if they don’t find a next hit product
It was in the movies they liked when they were kids. Or at least in the movies they think users want to see brought to reality.
As in an answer to the question “what’s cool and futuristic”. Solving medieval barbarism and wars is futuristic, but turns out to not be achievable. Same with floating/underwater oceanic cities, blooming deserts, Mars colonies and 20 minutes on train from Moscow to New Delhi. At the same time the audience has been promised by advertising over years that future will be delivered to them. So - AR. For Apple this is the most important part, I think.
Also to augment something you have to analyze it, and if you have to analyze it, you are permitted to scan and analyze it. That’s a general point of attraction, I think. They are just extrapolating what led them to current success.
Also in some sense popular things were toys or promises of future for businesses and individuals alike, in the last 10-15 years. The audience is getting tired of toys and promises, while these companies don’t know how to make something else.
So let Tim Apple care about anything from AR in front of him to apples in his augmented rear, he surely knows what he wants. As another commenter says, a source of instructions and hints for a human walking drone is one, with visualization. I’m not sure that’s good, because if you can get that information for the machine, having a human there seems unnecessary. And if that information is not reliable enough, then it may not improve human’s productivity and error rate.
And the most important part is that humans learn by things being hard to do, it’s like working out in an exoskeleton, what’s the purpose? And if training and work are separated here, then it seems more effort is spent in total. Not sure.
It’s been over a decade since the oculus rift came out and there hasn’t been much improvement.
It’s for real time facial recognition for LEO so they can easily identify and round up immigrants and dissidents. They want the government contracts
Agree on all that. In addition, headsets would become so very unhealthy if they took off. Just imagine the addictiveness of phones combined with the sedentary qualities of TV, with both dialed up to 11. People’s vision would get all fucked up, and they would start dying on their couches plugged in. It’s simply not a vision for the future that has any legs.
More often than not, I’m burning calories in VR.
Oh do you mean you’re using it for exercise somehow? Or are you making a masturbation joke?
many of the games have you moving quite a lot, you can do 10 rounds of boxing for example and I guarantee you most people are not going to be able to get through 10 rounds of boxing
I think the fundamental problem with the AR glasses is something that can’t be overcome.
I think its easy to see the utility to owning a pair of glasses that look good and provide real time information as desired for what you are looking at or hearing.
HOWEVER, I think very few people will want the product these co.panies will make. This will be a method to throw ads literally in front of your eyeballs. Enshitification is too big of a thing now and so any new product is tainted by the expectation it will rapidly turn to garbage at a high price to you.
Also, while we may think we can be trusted, we dont trust anyone else having all that info, I dont like the obvious privacy implications that these can present. Filming with them is also terrifying.
So, just to be clear, that ‘something that can’t be overcome’ is… checks notes capitalism?
It does ruin most things doesn’t it? 😮💨
Yeah my best guess is that at most these will at best lead to homebrew and specialist uses. For example I have to wear glasses my astigmatism is rather severe so contacts don’t work, so if I could attach a small projector to my glasses and put my phones display onto it I would have so many uses.
Google already made AR glasses and they failed. Not because the product was bad, but because AR is stupid and has such a niche case that it’s practically worthless.
There are a lot of things at Apple that I, as the paying customer, would rather Cook care more about than AR/VR boondoggles.
…to play breakout.
Arcanooooid!!!
Guess what Tim Apple? No one wants them just like no one wanted your stupid headset that I honestly can’t even remember what it was called.
Well I do want this, augmented/virtual reality is exactly the kind of shit I dreamt about as a kid during the 90’s, and having a huge screen available anywhere I go is pretty fucking cool.
But yeah, I used a VR headset exactly once for like 5 minutes, and there’s no way in hell I’d buy one from meta or apple. If Valve releases good XR/AR glasses I might consider it.
I love VR and have multiple devices but the platforms are still really bad. There’s so much jank amplified by all of the greed by Apple and Meta. For example on Apple’s VR device you can’t have multiple users - they were so greedy that they thought they’d sell multiple devices per household.
Can’t wait for Valves Deckard or whatever next VR project they’re working on. Steamdeck is everything a handheld should be and if they can finally nail that in VR it would be awesome.
It sounds cool in theory, but modern tech companies aren’t going to make what you wanted as a kid. Whatever they make will be heavily enshittified.
Honestly in five minutes you didn’t do basically anything in VR
I know, I meant that although I’m interested in the tech I’ve barely tried it.
This is just another attempt to capture even more control over our attention - advertising everywhere. Of course Apple wants it
But think of the constant, total surveillance opportunity for Apple, and how this could help them win favor and contracts from the fascist US government!
Apple doesn’t do that though. That’s Google, Amazon, and Meta’s MO.
Classic Tim Apple.
Honestly, this is probably the next game changing tech. There are lot of uses for AR. Size, style, and battery life are probably the biggest issues to overcome.
With the exception for extremely niche stuff like surgery (and they won’t use off the shelf AR anyways) what’s your usecases to bring AR to the masses?
Thinking of that article about Deepfake porn the other day probably real-time nude body overlays for everyone you meet. Can’t think of a serious application that is actually useful enough for people to want this.
You don’t think that’s a good enough reason?
I really want it just for my crippling propsagnosia. Having something be able to tell me that A. I know this person, and B. What their name is could really give me a leg up with trying to integrate into society.
Your problem is certainly one that would be enough for niche success of the technology but not the kind of killer application that would make the majority want this.
How about gps directions to navigate an unfamiliar location?
Or for travelling: there already is a phone app to translate signs but it would be so much more to have that live
Or for travelling: there already is a phone app to translate signs but it would be so much more to have that live
Most countries use street signs that do not require translations, that is more of a US thing.
US street signs are standardized so you can see at a glance without reading. I understand the EU does similar but with a different standard.
But street signs are not the only signs. There are place names and ads and directions and telling you where to line up for what and how much the subway costs and how to get from one part of Paris to another and directions for the theater, etc, and most of those are localized
Yeah, and I’m fine with that. I don’t need to see Tim Apple more rich
A reality distortion field that seperates a person from the real world? What could go wrong?
It’s about as dystopian as it gets.
You don’t have to strap the internet to someone’s face to distort their reality with it, as demonstrated by… Well, gestures broadly
It’s taxing imagining everyone naked all the time. I’m at least looking forward to technology doing that for me.
tim (is) cook(ed)
nobody on this planet is more qualified to navigate the oncoming global operational tsunami. doesn’t mean he’s an engineering visionary, or knows how to build the machines that build the machines.
This guy is so behind the curb. Doesn’t he know that the latest fad is
NFTs and blockchainAI?AR goggles and AI: two hot technologies that go great together. They need each other
I think this is a case where the imagination is much, much better than the reality.
For the mobilization of technology, miniaturization has had a lot of benefits, not just in the technology, but in the accessibility. Having a desktop computer instead of a mainframe was huge. It brought the computer to the home. Laptops becoming viable was huge again. It untethered the computer from the wall. For most of the planet, we’re still in the midst of the massive leap that is smart phones. It put a computer in the pocket of billions of people.
Beating that is hard. Smart phones are the most accessible, most powerful devices most end users have ever used. We take that for granted, and we take the time it took to get there for granted. It took 25 years of desktops to get real, decent laptops (personally, I’d say mid 90s). It took 25 of laptops to get real, decent smartphones (again personally, I’d say ~2010ish).
Like it or not, we have another decade to go probably before the technology is there for the next evolution in personal computing. But the problem we have really is that there’s not another leap as far as accessibility is concerned. Smart phones work places where laptops can’t. Laptops work places where desktops can’t. Desktops work places where mainframes can’t. Smart phones can work anywhere. Taking the computer from the datacenter, to the home, to your backpack, to your pocket is huge. Is the next step from the pocket to your wrist? To your face? Is it worth it? Is it really that much better?
Does anyone even want AR glasses? I don’t.
id get them if they were from framework or something and ran some open sourced AR software
I mean, maybe of ots done well. I have the meta raybans and love them, mainly because I can listen to music as if I had earphones in, and talk on my phone with them, record, and take videos.
If it had a UI to select options and could display info too, that would be pretty sick imo.
This seems like a tech that would be hard to get right? There are a lot of trade-offs involving cost, weight, resolution, processing, battery life, etc.
For my part, I would probably use AR features rather sparingly to maintain my sanity, but they could be very useful in certain narrow applications. Whether these would be sufficient to justify the price tag is uncertain. I also tend to be rough on glasses, so that would be a worry.
The most useful applications I can think of that would run permanently (while wearing them) would be stuff like name tags for people if you are forgetful, labeling roads in front of you with their names or maybe the destinations in that direction at an intersection and similar low intrusiveness applications. Certainly nothing that could be considered a killer application.
Yeah, I suppose they could also be useful for translation when travelling someplace where you can’t read the language, provided it’s reasonably accurate and not too laggy?
In terms of occasional use, I was thinking they could be good for loading speeches or music/lyrics when you’re up on a stage. But while that seems like it ought to be a fairly trivial feature to implement, as both a software developer and performer, I could see this being more challenging than you think to get a good experience out of that sort of app.
For sure, I mean, we already have had google lens for almost a full decade. Phones already do real-time overlaid translation with nearly no lag through the camera. The glasses can literally just run that same app. Also does real time audio translation.
And for the google ted talk, he was indeed using them as his teleprompter.
I’d prefer a Mandalorian helmet with a removable physical display inside. OK, walking in such a helmet is a bit weird. But better than bigass glasses, since a helmet can at least be supported with something on your shoulders, have weight and pressure distributed better.
What do AR glasses look like in your imagination?
It’s pretty hard to tell in real life if someone is wearing a stylish frame or AR glasses. They are a bit thicker than normal glasses need to be, but not as thick as glasses that are just thick for no reason other than to look a certain way.
Is that on the market or just a dream?
Anyway, a transparent display is just as bad as a transparent terminal emulator window. Only good for looks.
A transparent display is necessary for glasses based AR. The parts where stuff is displayed obviously aren’t transparent, but when a pixel is off, the screen is transparent in that spot. There have been transparent displays for decades, and smart glasses for at least 5 years, but AR glasses are relatively new, yes. Smart glasses and AR glasses look relatively similar to regular glasses. AR glasses are a little more obvious when they are being actively used, as other people can see the section that isn’t transparent. But smart glasses don’t have the capability of advanced graphics and are more like a heads up display.
https://youtu.be/gElClXpg4J0?t=2m44s This is a partially pre-staged demo of the ones google is doing, but it does at least show the look of the glasses. And metas second gen ones after orion have slimmed down a bit too. What I have seen of apples looks like they are also going to be pretty slim. But I haven’t seen anything past concept stage yet for them, so hard to say how close they’ll get to what they are aiming for in the concept.
Yes, that’s the whole point, when you do some work, you generally want to have clearly readable text and symbols separate from the landscape in the background.
I mean, whatever. Anything can happen. Just feels like another dotcom bubble coming.
What, why would you be working on your glasses? That’s like trying to do work on a cellphone. The glasses are the lightweight handy tool, the powerhouse is the headset at home. Or the headset at work. And as handy as AR and VR will be, not every job will use them.
Because it’s work compared to not wearing them. Something overloading you and not even getting any work done. But OK, everyone is different.
