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This is not to be confused with the application called “OneNote”, that’s staying.
You can always trust Microsoft to make two version of the same application and to have really bad naming.
TwoNotes
Two apps, OneNote.
You can always trust Microsoft to make two version of the same application and to have really bad naming.
And to make bad naming worse naming, since they switched Office’s name to 365 Copilot, not to be confused with 365 (office premium), Copilot (ChatGPT interface), or Copilot (Office text assistant). Office was a perfectly serviceable name they’d used for decades. It’s like Twitter rebranding themselves to a single latter like Y. Why would they throw away branding like that?
People are liable to look for office, not find it, and go "oh, Microsoft doesn’t sell Word any more ☹️’
Their enterprise products as well. Azure is now Entra, all the admin page rebrandings like defender, purview, intune, the URL changes, etc.
Please just stick with a name already!!
Azure is not Entra. AAD became Entra. They did it because AAD was becoming less about Azure and covering more things than directories. So a rebranding made sense.
It’s a pretty dumb name, though. It doesn’t really mean much when you hear it, and it sounds too similar to other common words.
Hell, just talking about teams in Teams is confusing enough.
Are you talking about Teams in Teams for Home or Teams for Work and School, and is it Teams or New Teams you mean?
Teams (Classic), actually.
Or an Office 365 Group
Not to be confused with SharePoint groups
I… I didn’t even know there were so many.
I got so sick of their shit. I think there were two Teams and Skype versions too. Wtf is their problem?? I just stick with LibreOffice for everything now, but eyeing OnlyOffice because of their cloud service.
Yes, there was Teams (classic) and Teams (new. There’s also Outlook (new) and Outlook (classic).
There was the Snipping Tool and Snip & Sketch, it even said they were getting rid of Shipping Tool, but then they got rid of Snip & Sketch instead but the function of Snipping Tools is the same as Snip & Sketch.
And it’s a web/Electron app anyways. At least the O365-connected version is.
This is a good time to switch to Notesnook, which has a OneNote importer.
Why am I about to shill so hard for this particular app? Simple, because after Evernote enshittified over a decade ago, I switched to OneNote as the least terrible alternative, and then spent the next ten years trying to find an actually good, open source notes app.
Call me Ahab because this motherfucker has been my white whale for a not-insignificant portion of my life.
Notesnook, finally, hit everything I wanted;
- You can self host it (but you don’t have to)
- Self hosters get everything on the paid plan for free
- It has a web app, a desktop app, and a healthy ecosystem of phone apps, with - very importantly - 1:1 feature parity. Everything you want to do you can do from any of the interfaces and for the most part they’re even laid out identically.
- It has a proper rich text WYSIWYG editor. It does not demand you learn FUCKING MARKDOWN. JESUS H CHRIST I DO NOT WANT TO LEARN A FUCKING SYNTAX TO MAKE NOTES, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
- But for those who care about that stuff, it is built on markdown, and all your notes can be exported in markdown, so there’s no lock in. And you can use markdown in the editor (without even having to switch modes like a lot of other editors).
- Everything is encrypted by default. Notes can also be individually password protected.
- You can share copies of notes with optional password protection and self-destruction.
- It has a really slick UI. Everything works, everything is intuitive, there are tonnes of keyboard shortcuts. I find I actually have an easier time writing long form text content (such as a novella I’m working on) in Notesnook than I did in Word or LibreOffice.
- It builds a TOC for notes automatically. You can link notes to each other, and links are bidirectional so you can track which notes link to a particular note.
- You have sorting by both tags, and notebooks. Notebooks are infinitely nestable, and - this is really cool - notes can exist in multiple notebooks simultaneously.
- It has robust web clipper for Firefox and Chrome.
- Very robust attachment support.
- God so much more, I’m having to deliberately stop here.
What it’s currently lacking is drawing support. If that’s a must have for you, check out Joplin instead (at least for now, I’ve seen some talk about Notesnook integrating Excalibur for digital canvas, which would be a superb solution).
Anyway, please check out Notesnook. It’s excellent, and I like sharing excellent things. https://notesnook.com/downloads/
It has a proper rich text WYSIWYG editor. It does not demand you learn FUCKING MARKDOWN. JESUS H CHRIST I DO NOT WANT TO LEARN A FUCKING SYNTAX TO MAKE NOTES, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
I’m curious about this agressive stance. Why is markdown so triggering for you ? I get the pros of WYSIWYG but it has also some cons. On Lemmy for instance you use markdown without even noticing ?
I use Obsidian and I’m happy with it. The markdown syntax is really easy and it’s « almost » WYSIWYG because you see the markdown only at your cursor. It even has a plugin for excalidraw.
Yeah after spending my adulthood on reddit and lemmy markdown is second nature and I don’t like it not being maintained in notesnook thr way it is in Obsidian. I’d prefer a foss solution though and notesnook looks like otherwise it’s better
What a fucking shill. I’m downloading this right now.
I’ll give it a look. I’ve been using Joplin since Evernote enshittified, and I didn’t know it had drawing support. I very rarely use Markdown, though. You can hide that with two interface tweaks, which I did years ago on my machines. (I have to look it up again every time I add a new machine, so it’s not perfect.)
Is Notesnook FOSS? I expect any closed-source software to enshittify over time. 🙁
Yes, it’s all open source and can be self-hosted. They run a paid plan, but if you self host then you get all the paid features free.
Did you by chance self host the sync server using docker compose? Their instructions aren’t great and I was hoping you had some tips.
For anyone else interested, if I figure it out, I’ll post what I did here.
Edit 1: I finally got it all setup but syncing isn’t working so I guess I did something wrong 🙄 . Troubleshooting now
So yes, I did, and yes, their docs suck (better documentation is on their roadmap).
There’s a really good guide here on Lemmy that I recommend instead. https://lemmy.ml/post/25006407
Following this I had it up and running in no time. Check the comments as well, I added some notes on getting attachments working. If you’re still having issues shoot me a message and I’ll try to help.
: I finally got it all setup but syncing isn’t working so I guess I did something wrong
$5 says you need a srv record or something that wasn’t obvious from the docs
I don’t know what the fuck is going on. The client app connects to all 4 servers it needs a connection to. I can create a user on the server and all clients can login using it, I just can’t get notes to sync.
Official docs here
I found this tutorial1 and this tutorial2
Tutorial2 makes this one port change to the official docker compose file but otherwise is seemingly the same as tutorial1:
notesnook-s3: image: minio/minio:RELEASE.2024-07-29T22-14-52Z ports: - 9009:9000 - 9090:9090With that change, and setting the port of the domain to 9090, I can access minio in the browser. But I don’t know if that’s necessary or not. I’m stumped.
Obsidian also has an importer, and some good sync plugins.
+1 for notesnook. It’s probably my go to example of how good open source projects can be.
1 star reviews on the app store consistently mention sync issues and bugs that delete notes and don’t allow opening. Have you encountered any of this?
Not even once. The syncing has been incredibly robust for me. It also has a really nice flow for handling conflicts.
Of course, it’s worth keeping in mind that it can new self-hosted, so experiences will vary.
I’m using the self hosted version. Take from that what you will.
Worth mentioning that the bidirectional linking works for notes themselves, or even certain parts in notes. So if Note A has a list and I want to link to a certain list item from that inside Note B, I can do that. Super cool functionality imo
I cannot agree with you any harder about FUCKING MARKDOWN. Fuck me I hate that every fucking note app wants me to write in fucking markdown. FUCK. THAT. SHIT.
Not to judge a book by its cover (ironically), but that name…
Any ink support?
For drawing I suggest Rnote
That looks nice. Thanks for the suggestion.
Lots of limitations for markdown: No underlining No colors Limited table formatting
It’s the usual rename and replace that Microsoft love to do.
“OneNote for Windows 10” is going to be replaced by “OneNote for Windows”
Why they always do the kill, rename and replace instead of just replace with an update? Each kill&replace operation leads to lost users…
Because they are too big to make intelligent decisions.
While OneNote for Windows 10 still has roughly half a year, Microsoft will start nagging users with update prompts much earlier. For starters, in June 2025, Microsoft will slow down the app’s sync performance, thus forcing customers to ditch the old app, especially those using OneNote on multiple devices or for real-time collaboration.
Next, in July 2025, banners will make their way to OneNote for Windows 10 to make sure users are aware of the upcoming end of support. Microsoft says these banners “could impact users workflows.” You do not say, Microsoft.
Wait. You’re gonna throttle them and then wait a month to tell them why you’re throttling them? What?
Thats so shitty
Feature Notion Joplin Obsidian Evernote Zoho Notebook GoodNotes Zim Wiki Standard Notes MyInfo YouTrack Logseq Cloud Sync Yes Yes Optional (via plugins or sync service) Yes Yes Yes Manual Yes Manual Yes / Self-hosted Optional (self-sync) Offline Support Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes (Web cache) Yes Handwriting Support No Limited No Yes Yes Excellent No No No No No Encryption No Yes (E2EE) No (unless encrypted drive) Partial No No No Yes (E2EE) No Depends on hosting Partial (local) Hierarchy Support Yes Yes Yes (Folders + Backlinks) Yes Partial Yes Yes No Yes Yes (Wiki, Issues, Projects) Yes (Outline + Backlinks) Free Version Yes Yes Yes Limited Yes Limited Yes Limited No Yes (up to 10 users) Yes Platform Support Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web Win, macOS, iOS, Android, Web iOS, iPadOS, macOS Win, Linux Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android, Web Windows Web, Win, macOS, Linux Win, macOS, Linux, iOS, Android E: I noticed a couple mistakes. Lemme know if you spot others and I can edit (at time of this writing anyways)
I suggest You track, which has a Wiki component. It had extensions like Draw.IO as well for diagramming which is basically a necessity for me.
Its self hostable or a free cloud version.
Great note - thanks for the contribution.
Obsidian ftw
So pleased I dumped Windows and moved to Linux recently.
Everyone should look into dumping “big tech” and move away from Microsoft, Apple and Google. It’s great. And the best part of it, no AI in sight.
Looks like I made a good decision deciding to move from onenote to obsidian last month. I like that it is a fancy mark down editor so I can just move my text files some where else if I decide to not use Obsidian in the future. When it comes to onenote functionality of being able to draw or paste where ever I want the excalidraw plugin which is open source has met my needs.
Been nice to move to something that is multi platform.
Obsidian is a fancy markdown editor with metadata, sync, indexing, data querying and views and a lively ecosystem of plugins. It has everything except being open source.
It would be incredible to have a self hosted web UI but that’s a tall ask. Instead I’ve been using Quartz to generate a static site from hot reloading which seems to cover this end to a degree.
Neowin is the web site where their writers can stupidly claim that Qt getting an advertisement module means that KDE will have ads in their apps soon.
Stop linking to them.
Everyong recommending Obsidian in the comments, where are Logseq users?
I use it all the time
Well shit. Time to rip my own files because their migration stuff is going to be all Microsoft proprietary.
This really pisses me off. I have so much shit in OneNote and use it regularly.
Can’t you reinstall it? Or install an older version? Obligatory fuck Microsoft.
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