I’m getting sick of the invasive questions
"Gender?
Sex at birth?
Are you trans?
Are you gay? Bi?
Ever been depressed?
Abuse alcohol? Drugs?
Ever been arrested?
Ever been in the military?
Well what about your spouse?
Ever work for the government?
That degree you mentioned, we can’t ask your age but uh, when did you earn that bad boy, huh?"
NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE POSITION.
This is 100% occuring in the USA. Where I live and work.
Most of these questions are illegal in my country, thank fuck
thank fuck
No, thank the government and the people who voted.
If you’re in the USA, these questions are legal to ask.
Some are illegal (when did you graduate), but is asked very often anyways. Often times marked as required on Workday Job applications.
LOL my god, people in this thread just making shit up. It is absolutely legal in the US to ask for a graduation/attendance date on an app.
I am floored by the amount of blind “nuh uh that is not true you’re lying.”
Guys.
I’m not fucking lying.
Ass clowns.
Hell, any of this info is a quick search away.
“Nuh uh!”
Sigh, you feel me.
It may technically be legal to ask about postsecondary graduation, but asking for a high school graduation year is generally considered illegal, since that’ll pretty much get you within a few years of the applicant’s age. (I’m honestly unsure whether that’s relevant though, since the first comment said “degree,” which isn’t what we call a high school diploma where I’m from.)
OP is full of shit. See my response.
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/15656902
Those questions are begging for discrimination lawsuits. Despite being heavily involved in onboarding at two companies, I’m not sure which of those are legal to ask because no one asks.
Yes, they still ask them.
You’re an idiot.
Gender?
Present.
Sex at birth?
No, my first time was well over a decade later.
Are you trans?
Transtabular, from your position.
Are you gay? Bi?
I prefer professionalism to gaiety during interviews. This meeting isn’t over yet.
Ever been depressed?
Not in the button sense, no.
Abuse alcohol? Drugs?
Neither physically nor emotionally. No, thank you, not now.
Ever been arrested?
Have you been?
Ever been in the military?
Even if I was, you’re not getting veteran’s benefits through me.
Well what about your spouse?
Even if they were, you’re not getting veteran’s benefits through them.
Ever work for the government?
Why, are you paying public service rates?
That degree you mentioned, we can’t ask your age but uh, when did you earn that bad boy, huh?
I think it was sometime around when I graduated from college.
Bro, your answer is being filtered out by an algorithm, even before it gets the chance to be appreciated by some hr drone.
Oh, I assumed this was during an interview already. If a company sent me that shit prior to an interview I’d tell the headhunter to try again with a better company.
Right out of college, I went through an eight hour long hiring process complete with a proctored exam, three different interviews, a psychological screening, and a meeting with the CEO. All for an entry level position that paid $25k. By the end of the day, I was the only candidate left to be considered and they didn’t give me an offer.
I got a call and a quick phone interview two days later from a small independent IT company that quoted me $30k on the spot. I said I was considering a second position and - over the phone - the guy raises it to $35k. Took the deal. Started a week later.
Two months after that, I got a postcard in the mail saying I was no longer being considered for the first job.
This was in 2006 and its only gotten worse since.
Ah fuck it, yes to everything! Yolo!
Almost none of that is asked on an application except the degree date. All of the above would be a fucking nightmare for HR. You really think employers are dumb enough to ask questions that could lead to discrimination lawsuits?!
After you are hired, the forms ask:
- Gender and race (you forgot race!): Employers need this for mandatory Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) reporting.
- Alcohol and drugs: Only for a very few positions, government, security and the like. Perhaps you were filling out a Form 4473 to buy a gun and got confused?
- Arrested and convicted of a crime: Imagine an employee getting raped and the employer having to say, “We had no idea!” I’ve been arrested shitloads of times, no convictions, no problem. Also, I’m betting you can say “no” for misdemeanor convictions, no one gives a shit unless the job requires a security clearance. And if you think standard hiring invades your privacy, oh boy.
- Military: Various laws to protect vets require the employer to know this for benefits, accommodations, etc., same for spouse. Also an EEO thing.
- Government work: Never seen this, but I imagine it’s like any employer, “Ever worked for us before?”
You made some of that up out of thin air and didn’t understand the rest. And here ya got 61 upvotes from people taking all that at face value. Be better.
SOURCE: Worked IT for an employment firm with 200 employers. Designed and posted hiring forms, hiring data and onboarding at two places. Learned more about hiring than I ever wanted to know.
I made none of that up.
Ridiculous.
I’m not here to convince anyone; simply stating verifiable facts.
Not here to spoon feed you.
I predicted this exact response. Should have put that in the post. It’s a perfect copy of how conservatives react when given facts.
“Nuh uh. It’s true. Do your research.”
OK. Bet.
How about the depression thing?
I can do this all day. Or would your rather compare our professional experiences involving HR, hiring and onboarding?
Disabilities.
They allow for asking almost every one of the questions I mentioned.
You’re obnoxious.
I am blocking you now. You’re too dumb for words.
I’ve been asked all these questions in my job search in the last 6 months. The questions I imagine you’re skeptical about like have you ever been depressed or abused drugs do come up often. Not in the initial application but in the required personality test.
“Our company develops AI. It has many uses and should substitute for human labor whenever possible.”
“USE OF AI BY APPLICANTS IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED!”
The fact that the majority of us are essentially forced to participate in the capitalist market means that we will always be at the mercy of greasy, compliant, ass-sucking ‘bosses.’
We don’t have any freedom with work unless we have the freedom not to work.
We don’t have any freedom with work unless we have the freedom not to work.
What are you talking about? We have the freedom to not work and die cold and hungry in the streets just like the founding fathers intended!
Capitalism is slavery with extra steps.
We don’t have that freedom either. We have the freedom to be constantly harassed or imprisoned for not having a paid residence.
Like gdog said, no, you don’t actually. Being homeless is illegal in a ton of places.
Survival takes effort, whether that means working in an office or in a hunter gatherer tribe
Real conversation, not exaggerated. Actually slightly toned down:
“We offer a competitive salary! It’s $number!”
“I have 2 offers 10% higher, from a shipping company and a finance company, in the same city”
“We don’t compete with the finance and shipping sectors”
“And 15% higher in one of the consultancies”
“We don’t compete with consultancies either”
(I think I’m going to put Reigninh Monarch of Norway on my CV. I just don’t compete with King Harald.)
LOL I hope you told them “Dude you ARE competing with those companies for my skills, so are you in or not?” It’s really that simple.
At one interview I wasn’t really sure about my answer to a question, so after giving it I asked how they would do it, and the guy who asked said, “Well, I’m not the one being interviewed.” I kept my mouth shut because I really liked everybody else I had talked to, but I wanted to go all Jules on the guy like, “Oh yes you are, Brett, yes you are!” Some employers don’t get that an applicant is also interviewing them (at least I always was).
Haha, that’s the attitude :)
I did say, in a nice way, that “they are your competitors either way”.
And yeah, companies treating interviews as a one-way evaluation is a red flag.
There was this book that was hype around 2010, called “Are you smart enough to work at Google?”. It was full of interview questions and brainteasers that I strongly suspected I’d find interesting, but I couldn’t get over the title. I wanted to scream “Fuck you, book! Is Google smart enough to hire ME?!”
We are, as a profession, systematically manipulated via these interview processes to feel stupid and inferior to drive down wages. I’d rather come off as slightly too arrogant now and then, rather than submit to that.
Well said! Many companies have the attitude, “You’re lucky we let you have this job, and we can take it away any time!” And many employees totally believe it, no matter how talented they are. But you can’t live other people’s lives for them. After switching to contract work my only regret was that occasionally there were people I wished I could have worked with longer. But that’s life.
I actually took a google screening test around 2010, and they did call me back to go to the next step, which was kind of an ego boost. Other things came up and I never followed through, so no idea if they would have hired me or not. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Had a job interview once where they asked me how much I was expecting to make. I told them and they responded with “Yeah, I think we can do that.” Then when they called me to offer me the job they had lowered it by a few bucks an hour. I took it because I had to at the time. They knew that people are desperate and this was their strategy with everyone. Fucking scum.
LPT:
“What are you expecting to make?”
Correct answer: Your real target (based on your own market research for the position) +15%.
Why? Because they’re going to target your acceptable range at -10%, and make the offer right around there.
Then, you can come back and say “I might be able to make that work, as long as X, Y and / or Z are part of the package” where XYZ is anything from remote work to reimbursement for commute mileage.
If they say no to the added XYZ and you’re desperate, well go ahead and accept, because you’ve just earned yourself +5% of what you were targeting. If they say yes, well, even better.
Don’t go higher than 15% - this could kill the offer entirely if you misjudge the interview. 15% seems to be the sweet spot in my experience, based on a 30 year career.
And by competitive, we mean it will make you compete for the last scraps at the food bank.
