“I feel terrible for the American people because it’s not the American people, and it’s not even elected officials, it’s one person,”
Like hell. Congress is the one thing with the power to end this madness. The Republicans in control of both houses are absolutely responsible as they are doing literally nothing to rein in Trump’s madness.
American here.
Keep doing what you’re doing Canada. Don’t play this retard’s game. The ONLY thing conservatives understand is money. Hit them where it hurts. It’s the only thing that’ll make them sour on this traitor.
American trade is nearly worth half of Canada’s total GDP. something like 75~80% of total Canadian exports go to the US. if they actually retaliate in force they could be dooming their country to an economic crisis if Trump is spiteful enough. so far the Canadian tariffs have only touched about $30B worth of goods, or 7% of the total trade.
Bottom line is Canada can’t rely on an unreliable country that literally threatens them.
It’s time for the world to move away from working with the U.S. We’ve shown we aren’t trustworthy. Canada needs to increase trade to other countries to compensate.
sounds nice in theory but i don’t think people realize just how integrated their economy is to the US
entire industries are completely dependent on US trade. they traded large swathes of their economic autonomy away for easy access to the US market. prosperity was deemed more important than sovereignty
it’s a decision that was decades in the making and it will likely take decades to reverse.
and if we’re being honest it shouldn’t have exactly taken Trump to make Canada realize the US acts in its own interests. Look at NAFTA signed by Bill Clinton. We pressured Canada into accepting a deal that forced them to maintain a certain level of oil export to the US even if there were domestic shortages.
It’s not the type of agreement equal parties or allies come to. It’s a relationship of domination. Always has been
Can you ship moose ribs to Europe? Never had them, but seems like something I’d enjoy.
Yeah the world’s doing its part, but it’d be nice if Americans did theirs.
Other than Bernie Sanders, the rest sure like to bitch a lot, but actions speak louder and they’re not getting out of their couches…
“I feel terrible for the American people because it’s not the American people, and it’s not even elected officials, it’s one person,”
Americans elected Trump, and Americans are failing to do anything to reign Trump in.
These are the official policies for the COUNTRY! So unfortunately, this is not just one person, it is de facto USA as a whole.If it was only Trump, it would just be Trump refusing to buy Canadian for himself. As it is, the whole apparatus is enforcing these decisions, and they impact all of USA.
The US electoral system is broken and has always been broken. Republicans have spent the past 2 decades gerrymandering and introducing as much legislation as possible to manipulate the outcome of elections in as many districts as possible. They’ve introduced legislation: to prevent people with debt from voting, to prevent people with criminal records from voting, to prevent people who cannot physically make it to polling stations from voting. The Republicans and the ruling class own all the largest media organizations in the United States, and they have weaponized social media and traditional media to indoctrinate and manipulate as many people as possible.
Trump won this election with fewer votes than he lost in 2020. He won mostly because Republicans and Democrats are material allies in neoliberal and imperialist endeavors. Democrats refused to campaign on progressive politics, instead choosing to run on a more conservative campaign than they ever have before.
The working class is not responsible for their own manipulation at the hands of the ruling class. It is not their fault that the system is broken. It is not the fault of American families who literally can not afford to resist, as without the income from their jobs, they will lose their homes and be unable to feed themselves and their children.
Capitalism is the problem. Conservatism, and by extension neoliberalism and fascism, is the problem. Donald Trump is an accelerationist fascist. He will not wait and seeks to plunge the nation headlong into fascism as soon as possible. But do not mistake that as being in opposition to the social and political system of America. Donald Trump is entirely a representative of the failure of American democracy, not a representative of the American people. He manipulated people into voting for him, as evidenced by widespread outrage at his actions even among those who ostensibly voted for him.
Not to mention that the this “English is now the official language” decree is, I think, a way to set the foundation for a way to exclude even more people from voting. I predict they’ll come out with some kind of English proficiency test to be allowed to vote.
The US electoral system is broken and has always been broken.
Oligarchy was built into the US electoral system, it is not broken but operating as designed. Only rich white males had any rights in the beginning, and every change since then was window dressing that could easily be taken away, as we are seeing now. The masks have dropped, the world is seeing the true USA. Genocidal, imperialistic, slave owning, bigoted and patriarchal. Nothing new to anyone with eyes and a brain.
The US electoral system is broken
Which is why it’s considered a flawed democracy, which I stated.
Republicans have spent the past 2 decades gerrymandering
Except Trump actually won the popular vote this time. Making this argument void regarding the presidential election 2024.
Republicans and Democrats are material allies
That far I agree, they have arranged it so they share power, except this time, Republicans may choose not to share it anymore.
The working class is not responsible for their own manipulation at the hands of the ruling class. It is not their fault that the system is broken.
Isn’t it? Haven’t they mostly agreed on this arrangement because for decades many thought they benefited from it too?
Capitalism is the problem
I partially agree, but there is no real alternative to capitalism, and definitely not anything proven, the problem is not capitalism but how it is managed. In a social democracy it can work pretty well.
Regarding the capitalism part
I’d say that what we see today is the logical conclusion of capitalism. In a way it’s a broken system, it just takes time to collapse. But growing wealth inequality and consolidation of power are inherent problems in capitalism, and we were always going to see times like this. I mean, for further example, look at climate change and how it’s damn near impossible to actually solve the problem
It’s more that there is little political will for an alternative system, but don’t get me wrong, if humanity wants to survive in the long run, there is no easy way out. I seriously do think that, either humanity makes a global economy that serves people, and not capital, or we will self-destruct due to systemic incentives of the profit incentive
I’d say that what we see today is the logical conclusion of capitalism
Capitalism is not a political system, what is happening now is what happens when governments fail to adhere to things that were figured out more than a hundred years ago, that Capitalism needs to be reigned in, exactly to avoid it from developing into monopolies and an oligarchy. USA has allowed that to happen, because of the (bitter) “sweet” profits, and with an already dysfunctional democracy, USA is very vulnerable to abuse of the power of extremely strong companies and even individuals now.
if humanity wants to survive in the long run, there is no easy way out.
I think there absolutely is, that is called social democracy, which has a pretty strong track record for protecting both citizens and the environment from powerful capitalists.
But it requires a well functioning democracy, and it probably can’t exist in a vacuum either. But in EU things have been trending in that direction, and EU is an excellent environment for it. USA however has a long way to go. The mentality simply isn’t there currently.No, I live in the EU, the same capitalistic problems exist here, they’re just slowed down a bit due to social democracy. But don’t get me wrong, the fundamental issues are here just as much as anywhere else on the globe
Capitalism is not directly an ideology by itself, no, but it is a massive fundamental part of a given ideology. There’s a reason most ideologies revolve around the economic system, because it’s so pervasive in everything we do. From the things we do every day, to the way we interact with others, to the way we get access to resources and services we need and want, to where we live, to how we think
What you need to keep in mind, is that under capitalism there will always be a profit incentive to undermine the system for even further profit. This is what collapses civilizations, this is what makes society fall apart in the long run
Making a capitalistic economy work for the benefit of everyone, for the people, is like trying to swim upstream all the time, forever. It would be much much more internally consistent to just have a river you swim downstream with. In other words, an economy based on cooperation, not competition. A civilization based on competition is almost an oxymoron, civilization itself is fundamentally a cooperative environment. Why do we tack competition on top of that?
the fundamental issues are here just as much as anywhere else on the globe
That is simply not true, yes there are problems with right wing factions. But it is in no way comparable to the dysfunctional democracy of USA, or the authoritarian regimes like Russia and Belarus.
What you are doing is making a false equivalence. It’s like saying democracy isn’t really different from a totalitarian state, because both have rules you can go to prison for.
Obviously the 2 are not the same.
If you had read the rest of my first line, the American electoral system has always been broken. This isn’t a new state of affairs. The working class of America has been in a perpetual state of manipulation into further and further right-wing politics since at least the presidency of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.
He won this election with fewer votes than he lost in 2020. Ultimately, the popular vote is largely irrelevant as the number of votes overall is not what determines who won the election. He won in 2016 without the popular vote. Voter manipulation and strategic disenfranchisment won them that election and this one.
Correct, so the American public had a choice between conservatism and fascism. A state of affairs that outraged many people. The democrats and the Republicans share an interest in their corporate benefactors. They will unite to seek better outcomes for the ruling class at the expense of the working class. The democrats will and have consistently refused to adopt popular politics like those of Bernie Sanders and AOC. Those politics are in contrast to the desires of their benefactors.
The working class has been manipulated through a union of the education system and mass media to indoctrinate them into fascism and further anti worker politics. Even in traditionally democratic held states, there is a persistent refusal to educate children on anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist politics. There is a refusal to educate children on the failures of American democracy and an insistence on nationalist indoctrination. In red states, this is even worse. These problems have existed since at least the presidency of Richard Nixon and to differing extents even before then. American fascism is the system. It didn’t start yesterday, and has been manipulating the American working class for a very long time.
Even more than that the entirety of the media and education systems unite to indoctrinate the working class into anti working class politics. It indoctrinates the people into believing civil unrest is wrong, that protest and demonstration is wrong, that all political violence is wrong. This is deliberate. It is a deliberate effort to protect the interests of the ruling capitalist class.
Socialism is an alternative to capitalism. You have been indoctrinated by the capitalist ruling class into believing that socialism has never functioned. It has and continues to do so today. Socialism and authoritarianism are not equivalent concepts. The failure of authoritarian socialist states were failures of authoritarianism, not of Socialism. Capitalists have taken advantage of those failures to manipulate billions of people, like yourself, into seeing Socialism as the problem. It isn’t. Capitalism is and has been a global failure. A system that serves the self interests of billionaires is a failure. A system where workers do not own the fruits of their own labor is a failure. A system that tolerates landlords and private corporations is a failure.
f you had read the rest of my first line, the American electoral system has always been broken.
How does anything I write indicate otherwise? It’s not Trump that broke democracy (yet), he is merely exploiting the fact that it’s broken.
so the American public had a choice between conservatism and fascism.
Conservatism that at least makes room for social democrats like Bernie AOC and Ilhan Omar, and over that they chose fascism.
I don’t think there’s much point in arguing further, seems to me you are making a lot of false equivalences, and I have no patience for arguing against that.
You called it a flawed democracy. I said that it’s not flawed it is broken. It’s not democratic. The people do not get what they want.
The democratic party “leaves room” for leftists like Bernie Sanders and AOC, in that they can hang around and talk sometimes. Only as long as they have no actual power and can’t affect change in any way.
I wasn’t aware we were arguing. You didn’t respond to 95% of what I said. And that’s fine, but you can just say that you can’t or don’t want to consider anything I’ve said. You don’t have to say that I’m “making a lot of false equivalences”? I’m not really sure what you’re referring to by that.
We have been a flaws democracy the entire time of our existence.
Trump barely won the popular vote by 2 million and less than 50% of all votes. At best, 1/3 of Americans voted him in and unfortunately 1/3rd (beyond those who were disenfranchised) didn’t bother even showing up. Leaving 1/3rd who did or could do anything about it.
We’re pushing back. Unfortunately we have the law to work through and they’re just breaking the laws. Time will tell if the guardrails have completely fallen off. It’s not looking great but we have seen progress fighting back.
Wait wtf
prevent people with debt from voting
Is this real?
This. I can’t stand how they blame the system for a choice they chose to make, be it voting for the orange turd, or sitting it out to protest a war halfway across the world, knowing fully well that he’d use that complacency ro return to office. Now the rest of us are dragged into the muck.
Absolutely, Trump was elected in a democratic election.
USA is a (flawed) democracy supposedly with checks and balances.
It’s not like some military general overthrew the democracy out of nowhere.Obviously there are good Americans that oppose this, and tried to prevent it, but they are unfortunately a minority, and as a whole USA as a country is doing this, and letting it happen.
You people have worms in your brains, just like the Republicans.
Life is not black and white, though you know who loves to think in black and white? Fascists. Also, you know who loves this idea of lumping together the American people as a whole? Trump does.
you know who loves this idea of lumping together the American people as a whole?
I have often written in comments that criticize Americans that there obviously are good Americans, that tried to prevent this. Just because I didn’t include that part here doesn’t mean I am generalizing wildly, and think they are the same whether they voted for Trump or Harris.
But that doesn’t change the fact that the Trump administration is the administration for ALL of USA, because they voted him in. We can’t make trade agreements or buy weapons from the people who voted against Trump, because that is simply not how it works. We have to respond to the country, not individuals. So this situation is one that the COUNTRY is in, not just Trump or MAGA. And the country let Trump and MAGA win.
We also can’t wait out the 4 years Trump is president like we did last time, because Russia has invaded Europe, and USA is failing completely as an ally, and is actively hostile now. Preventing F-16 planes and Himars from working, that were given to Ukraine by Europe. Failing even in sharing intelligence that doesn’t cost any money to share, and negotiating 100% on behalf of Russia. The allied countries need to move on without USA, that’s not at all up for debate. Allies can no longer trust American equipment.
It’s not Trump alone, it’s all of USA that is failing democracy and former allies. Not just Texas, and not just half the population that voted for the fascist despite the warnings.If you can’t see that, you are denying reality.
Closer to a third voted for him.
We live in an era of mass communication, unlike what was feasible during any other point in history. More now than ever the working class is the working class wherever they are. The working class of the United States have much more in common with us than they do the ruling class.
We should absolutely be promoting an understanding of their struggle. Nationalism is an illness, even if it’s nationalism to a non-fascist state.
And over a third looked at his platform, shrugged, said ‘eh, who cares; I’m not going to bother to vote; not as if I’ll be impacted anyways.’
They decided a criminal, Nazi-lover, and grifter isn’t that different from a PoC woman who at least wanted to run a sensible and functional government (even if some of her policies weren’t the best).
Which means, since they didn’t think Trump was a problem, they were fine with this outcome. They don’t care that this happened.
Yeah we’re not playing this back and forth game, just hit the Americans with tariffs and make them stick. Tbh I’m liking this “buy Canadian” movement that Americans have finally awakened
We’re gonna get a nice trump recession. All the fuckbrains will have to contend with their stupidity. I just hope I don’t get what they deserve.
I wonder how long it’s gonna take for the Americans to impeach him again
Considering it has no effect or impact, I don’t think they’ll bother. Everyone’s just hoping for a heart attack or a bullet at this point, because the way this government is set up, it apparently can’t do shit to save the country.
Downside is then we get literal retard J.D. Vance. And if someone deals with him Christo-Fascist Mike Johnson is next in line.
Neither of these guys have a cult of personality. I don’t care what their views are, no one on this planet is waking around with a JD VANCE tattoo on their fucking forehead and that matters
Impeachment is dumb af. It has been of no consequence for more than 50 years. We need a different solution, something effective, something we can execute without relying on help from traitors.
They’ve been living with their stupidity their entire lives; this is normal and comfortable for them.
We will get what he deserves… But that’s part of being American right now. It sucks, but this is what happens when our neighbors vote for an asshole.
We don’t deserve to take this on, but it’s our responsibility to do so.
Who do you mean, the Liberals who prevented energy export to other countries under the guise of preventing climate change?
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Except this anti-development stance made us fully reliant on the US, and it funds our social safety net.
But the Liberals don’t give a shit about the poor, if housing is any indication.
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Trump thinks he can simply order things up like he’s getting a Big Mac, and the courts and other countries are demonstrating to him that the world and the US do not work that way.
Also, I hate how normal this feels. Everyone’s still struggling to pay for food, utilities, and health care, but now the other 49% are making excuses because now it’s their shitty guy in charge of it, and the people who were making excuses while it happened for the last four years are pretending they give a shit.
Eh, the last 4 years were rough, but we were coming out of a pandemic and had one of the best, if not the best recovery in the world. To pin how we responded to covid on Biden is disingenuous. I voted for him because I didn’t want Trump, but outside of his really bad fumble for the recent election (and his support of Isreal genociding Palestinians), he did a rather decent job.
I think if anything the swing of Gen Z voters shows clearly that his economic recovery clearly wasn’t helping everyone. Those with the least amount of money and no job experience entering the work force found a terrible job market that either was barely hiring or was only hiring people who already had experience. Combine that with high prices and the increased presence of AI in the hiring process and it makes sense Gen Z were upset about the status quo. A lot of people argue that it was the podcasts that made Gen z swing right but if anything I think that just connected Gen z with a message of tearing down the system that they were looking for. But anyways my point is that sure America’s recovery was good for people with wealth or companies but for those either entering the workforce for the first time or those without money saved up and good jobs already there really wasn’t much of a recovery.
The major swing in gen z men can be explained by many more of them just not voting. Particularly since the last election democrats cosigned trump propaganda on the border, gaza, etc alienating latinos, muslims, etc destroying the dem coalition.
I don’t think ‘decent’ is the correct adjective here.
Vast swaths of our population have never recovered, which is why Trump was able to expand his coalition to an Obama-era degree. People will point to inflation and job numbers, while ignoring the fact that prices have never gone down and most people are working 2-3 jobs and upwards of 100 hours a week to live in a roach-infested studio apartment because that’s all their hustle can afford them.
And to make matters worse, Biden had Congress for two years. He could have accomplished anything if he cared about the working class and poor, but his governance strongly suggests he was only taking the phone calls of the billionaire class.
As an American, I hope more countries choose this path. Trump, and a large number of Americans need to understand that “American exceptionalism” only matters to (some) Americans. A community of nations means no one country gets to dictate to all the others. Eventually that isolationism some of my country clamor for will come to feel pretty lonely as fewer and fewer countries put up with our BS.
Good
It’s a temporary reprieve for a reason. Canadians would have to have American levels of comprehension of what’s happening to back off now
At this point, they should just leave the tarriffs so they can focus on literally anything else for their constituents than f5’ing news sources to see if they’re on or off…
Some highlights I found interesting:
The tariffs have been met with deep anxiety in Canada, whose majority of exports are sold to companies and clients in the US. Officials predict up to a million job losses if a 25% across the board levy went ahead, while economists warn that a recession is imminent if they persist.
Even with the tariffs being scaled back temporarily, the uncertainty alone is hurting both American and Canadian economies, says Rob Gillezeau, an assistant professor of economic analysis and policy at the University of Toronto.
“The most sensitive thing to uncertainty is business investment,” Prof Gillezeau says, adding that firms are “not going to want to spend a dime anywhere” until they have some clarity.
That trepidation is also seen in the stock market, which had erased virtually all its gains since Trump won the presidency in November.
million job losses if a 25% across the board levy went ahead, while economists warn that a recession is imminent if they persist.
Obviously this will harm the economy initially, probably much like when Finland lost most of Nokia. (Nokia was a huge part of Finish economy and jobs)
But Finland rose again quickly, and Canada will too, because Canada is a country that is very well liked in most of the world, and will have no problem increasing trade elsewhere.
There will be a transitional period, but on the upside also greater independence from USA.
Luckily Canada does not suffer from Dutch disease like Finland did. So Canada will be more flexible in the ways it can recover quickly.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease
USA on the other hand, will not be in similar position to recoup their trade losses with, Mexico, Canada, EU, UK and China.
So USA will probably face a harder recession than Canada.And that’s probably Trump’s plan, to weaken the entire west, including USA, NATO and of course Europe to benefit Russia.
On top of that, I think Canada could make a trade agreement with UK. After Brexit, UK has been looking for ways to mitigate their economic predicament, so old colonies like Canada seem like a good place to start. UK really needs the deal too, so Canada could be in a good position to set some conditions.
Absolutely, I have no doubt they will make a trade agreement soon. Canada and EU already has one, but maybe it can be expanded?
If Canada manages to get well connected, this isolation nonsense is only going to hurt USA in the long run. Future presidents sure have their work cut out for them. Repairing this kind of damage could take decades.
Honest question - are Canadians generally fine with normal US citizens with no untoward agenda still coming to visit and shop in Canada? I love partaking in the cuisine, a museum, and a library in a relatively nearby border town. Especially the more ethnically-diverse cuisine, because shitty generic Americana fare gets tiresome. Canadian Tire is fun, too, although I do secretly wonder why it’s not Canadian Tyre. Curious to know if US plates on a car in Canada generate a negative response nowadays.
Also, I’m sorry about the reality for which I felt the need to ask this question.
We dislike your president and the shit show he’s caused. If you’re willing to spend your hard earned money here though we’ll welcome you with open arms.
Come and spend your money in our economy, sure!
I doubt you’ll have any trouble unless you have MAGA bullshit on display or are driving a Tesla.
The benefits from the trumpfus economy:
Less commuting traffic! Yey! More restrooms per unit worker! Yey
Thanks trump!
Now that’s how to be optimistic.
Have you noticed less trampling at Costco for eggs? People just don’t have the money for food or gas. So the makes for nicer tramplement…excuse me sir, may I punch you for that last carton? Why certainly!
You tug on the leash too many times and eventually the dog is going to turn on you
