Abortion has been on the ballot in seven states since June 2022. In each instance, anti-abortion groups have lost.
Having a central dictating authority over every state is fascist and evil.
this is an absolute meme of an argument
should states have the right to execute people who are the wrong religion?
if no, then what’s the difference between that and allowing them to ban a life-saving operation on what boils down to religious grounds?
Thats an argument against federalism itself lol
And it is no doubt a facetious argument, they don’t actually believe that they just say it but what they mean is they want us for only them to have that control
I wish this was true but sadly it is not. Anti-choice candidates have continued to be elected and pass laws since June 2022.
I assume they’re only referring to when abortion was voted on by itself, not when it was a package deal with a politician (since pretty much all Republicans are gonna be anti-choice).
That’s because you’re a good read.
Because these sheep vote for a letter next to their name. But an issue on a ballot may be backed by them but it doesn’t have a letter itself, so people actually turn into individuals a bit more
Just happened in Ohio. If there were a candidate called “R-issue 1” he would have won with 53% of the vote. But since it was just “Issue 1” and it affected people, they struck it down 43-57 for-against
Good to see that they have.
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I hate that phrasing. Their “luck” didn’t run out. That does not describe what happened at all
It’s a shame that the SUPREME COURT is the highest court in the land.
That headline is like saying “Well our team scored the most 3-point shots” as if somehow that negates the fact that the final score is what determines who wins a game. People are trying to gloss over the fact that the SC determines the law of the land and they are simply trying to latch onto these smaller (and probably meaningless) victories because if anything gets challenged and ends up in front of the SC, it won’t win.
The supreme court doesn’t make laws. Congress can protect abortion rights. Obviously elections determine the make up of Congress, but ultimately they determine who is on the supreme court too. If Trump weren’t elected, protections provided by RvW would have been secure for decades.
SC determines if a law is constitutional and in today’s court, right wing tomfoolery is legal while everything else, no matter how sane and logical, can get struck down.
This was very obvious to many of us years back. As you said, if that clown Trump wasn’t elected this would have been all a non-issue for decades.
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Abortion rights do great on ballot measures, but not as well in general elections.
Yeah, most people support abortion rights, but those who oppose them are the most powerful single-issue voting block in the country.
Pro-choice people rarely base 100% of their vote on abortion. A pro-choicer who holds conservative beliefs on other issues generally votes Republican, but will vote in favor of abortion rights on a ballot measure.
Pro-lifers are different. They sincerely believe that abortion is mass murder of children, and that all other political issues combined don’t matter in comparison. A pro-lifer who holds liberal views on every other issue generally votes Republican.
If this keeps up, 2025 is going to be lit.
In what way?
The closer you can get the government to the people, the more they can be held accountable
by what metric?
any argument you can make for it being easier to justly oust them from power can also be made for it being easier to unjustly keep them in power
That’s why the power should flow upward, not downward
while a lovely, pithy statement, this has absolutely nothing to do with your argument, and doesn’t really mean anything in this context
It doesn’t matter.
Democrats are never going to kill the golden goose. The Roe leak alone made them $80,000,000 in contributions. Being anti-choice accomplishes the same objective for Republicans: lots and lots of money, money that candidates can legally pay themselves by making loans to their campaigns at 20% interest.
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They had their chance when Obama had a supermajority.
They took Pharma money instead. They left for-profit health care in place because it helped them stay rich. They do not give a fuck about any of us.
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LOL at the downvotes.
So, so many voters in absolute denial here. We could have real change if the 49% that votes Democrat voted Green instead. The Greens would actually try to get you legal abortion at the federal level, too.
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Except that states have no fucking business telling someone what they can do with their body. “State’s rights” my ass! This is a “personal right”that was stolen.
Because a lot of states no longer have power from the people, they’ve gerrymandered and made it hard to vote enough that you need a supermajority to get the will of the people into law.
the federal government has a lot of similar issues, but it also innately has some more checks. For instance, its districts are the states, and you cannot arbitrarily redraw state borders like how states can redraw voting districts.
It’s not a state rights issue, it’s a human rights issue and the SCOTUS was protecting the people of the US from the States until the court overturned Roe v Wade
States do not have unrestricted rights and cannot negate human rights.
Because the idea of states of the same federation being allowed to decide such fundamental issues on their own feels patently absurd to an outside observer. This isn’t the 1400s any more, do something remotely modern or fully separate and split into 51 countries and do your own shit.
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Yeah, except that’s not correct
I’ve seen this argument elsewhere and it seems (pardon me) like patent horseshit.
Why is this a state’s right? What makes a uterus in Delaware different than an uterus in Nebraska? I’m a woman and an American citizen. Everyone keeps telling me that I live in a first-world nation. This makes no sense. “Oh sorry. You live in a first world nation, but you picked the neighborhood of Ohio.”
And let’s be realistic - I can afford to travel to anywhere that local, precious state laws where I live are irrelevant.
The idea of state autonomy made sense in some way in the America that existed before telephones. Emergency decisions might need to be made and horses are slow. But let’s be honest for just a moment. The whole idea of federation was a hard sell to the slave states and invested powers. These were a mixture of landowners and merchant classes who had been running things locally in their colonies. They didn’t want to give up control, and who could blame them? Meanwhile, the young country needed to have everyone on board for some sort of federation if post-colonial America was going to survive. States rights were a compromise. We’ve been choking on it for 200+ years.
As a country we should have evolved past this many years ago. But we haven’t. The biggest disruption to our American system was the Civil War. States rights again. Yeah, so we have that to look back upon but never really seem to reckon with it. The last time I heard anyone significantly whine about infringement of “states rights” was with regard to chattel slavery.
Why is everyone worried about giving power to fascist Florida and Texas? It only takes two or three brain cells to figure it out.
You really think Texas and Florida deserved the power they already had?
if it were up to people like you, slavery would still be up to states’ discretion
So why do libs have this mania for killing innocent babies?
Are you serious? Nobody, and I mean nobody, is promoting such a thing. It should be the woman’s right to decide though.
My own mother wouldn’t be here today if she hadn’t needed the unfortunate procedure for what would have been an extremely deformed sister of mine.
Let me ask you, is it your uterus? No? Then mind your own business and let women manage their own bodies as they see fit.
God, what a garbage take.
