Yea sure - but it doesn’t matter. It could have mattered but his reaction to the reaction means it doesn’t.

If you accidentally do a nazi salute and then someone says “Hey bro, you really shouldn’t do a nazi salute” and another dude says “Hey bro, white power! I’m glad you’re on our side” and your immediate reaction isn’t “Oh fuck guys, I didn’t know that was a nazi salute, I fucking hate nazis” then, well, you did a nazi salute.

1. Elon did a thing.

2. People said “That’s a nazi thing”.

3. Elon didn’t immediately say “No, I didn’t do the nazi thing.”

4. ∴ Elon is a nazi.

It’s also not like the fucker doesn’t have the ability to issue a statement correcting the public perception. He literally owns fucking X and the media salivate over his press releases.

Have you actually watched it? It was clearly a fascists/nazi salute. People who say otherwise simply don’t want to admit it.

Nah, as an autistic person who works with many autistic people (I am a support worker), no. Autistic people are able to miss things, mistake social cues, and so on, but blaming autism for a Nazi salute is absolutely bullshit. Not to mention that he has done tonnes of other stuff which is in line with a Nazi salute and this is just the last in a long line of behaviours, and his family history etc, yeah, not autism, just Nazi shit.

If he did it once, it would have been an extremely low but still non-zero chance that it wasn’t a Nazi salute.

He did it twice though, it’s now firmly a 0% chance of any kind of coincidence, misunderstanding, etc.

Thus far he’s made no comment, not even to deny the Nazi intent.
No apology, no backtrack, no denial, he did it twice.
It was exactly what it appeared to be and nothing less.

No. In my opinion.

He has demonstrated a propensity for political action up to and including world changing meddling in democracies.

His person demands enough yearly salary from Tesla to cure cancer.

He cites history and in my recollection claims no ignorance of history.

It may be technically possible that it was a faux pas, but it is not feasibly a faux pas and is inexcusable even if it was one.

I don’t think they are nazis, I think they are fascists. And I don’t think they even think of themselves as fascists, I think they just think power sets the rules and that a lot of people on the left’s attempts at ‘fairness’ are dumb, and (they think) ‘well if you want to call that ‘fascism’ then you’re an overreacting bitter delusional leftie’

Or something like that

I suspect he did it to take the piss. And to signal to elements of the right / far right that they should breathe a little more freely

Same way his government department is “doge”. Same way he named Tesla’s products “S.E.X.Y”. Many many things he does are bait.

But do I think musk stands for what the Nazis did? No. And I think he, and his type, enjoy thinking it’s “ridiculous” that anyone thinks that. “Obviously” he doesn’t want to gas the Jews. “Obviously” he doesn’t think all black people should be lynched.

But I do think he thinks it’s ok trans people are made to fear. That sub cultures are made to feel unwelcome. That non-‘wasp’ lives are ruined whenever convenient. That checks and balances in government are as changeable as the furniture.

I think he thinks industry should serve a grand national vision.

I don’t think he gives a shit what that vision is as long as it involves him getting even more stupid wealthy

So this pretty much sums up fascism. He’s a fascist not a nazi…

No

He was meddling with the afd in Germany, he’s proudly supports the apartheid in South Africa, and did a Nazi salute…

I mean, do we really need to spell it out for fucks sake?

People win elections all the time. People celebrate elections all the time. The last time somebody taking power did a gesture that looked like this was probably in Germany, 1933. This is no coincidence.

First I’m not sure if he’s autistic or just saying “I’ve got Asperger’s so I’m allowed to be an asshole and you just need to deal.”

But let’s assume he is…

High functioning autism is not associated with involuntary Nazi salute gestures. It’s also not associated with the inability to learn the significance of the gesture.

So if autism is somehow related, then how would it be?

Well the “nice” option is he is going full 4-chan troll mode thinking it is hilarious without processing just how bad it is.

The other option is that he thought he did a credible cover to blow a dog whistle, but was unable to process that he was blowing a tuba instead.

In short, even if it was because of autism, it still almost certainly means it’s still quite on purpose, so it’s hardly an excuse that makes things any better.

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If you do something horrible by accident, you apologize for it. The fact that he hasn’t, tells you everything you need to know.

The dudes family got rich using African slaves to dig diamonds out of the dirt. Oppression and dehumanization is in his blood. The only way to cure that is to let the blood out

EDIT: it was an emerald mine, not a diamond mine

There was this period before WWII when stuff started happening to reduce the rights of minorities, but they weren’t being killed blatantly. Is this where we are?

Yes, precisely. And it was undoubtedly a Nazi salute.

The fact that this is even a conversation is just insane to me…