Not sure if they do it deliberately, but there’s like this sorta expectation to sympathize with parents who despite being poor still have children. Didn’t they make a CHOICE though? Do you think they should be solely responsible for making it?
This is bait.
No its not
Yes it is. This isn’t a binary question. Some people choose to have kids they can’t afford, some don’t have access to birth control, some have the finances when they had the kid and then something happened to their career or health, etc.
This is pure bait to get people fighting in the comments.
Losing a job counts as a consequence they should’ve accounted for. Having health issues at some point in your life is a statistical inevitability (this one is just a simple fact). Soooo… What is their excuse? Somehow society has decided that having an expensive hobby (raising a child) is far more deserving of sympathy than having other expensive hobbies 🙂. So what do you think of that? Why have we decided that?
Because we are living animals and the purpose of life/reason life exists is due to reproduction. Is it always a wise or well thought out decision? Absolutely not. Is it a “hobby”? No, that is oversimplifying it to the point of nonsense.
fair enough
Another fucking fascist “just asking questions.”
Go back to Reddit.
Well, that’s not nice of you to call me that
I’ll take the bait.
So firstly, to blame the poor is propaganda. It is a long and well documented strategy for people who are better off than you to use people who are worse off as the visible threat to your lifestyle. You’ll likely never see a billionaire but you’ll see plenty of homeless and immigrants and it’s easy to point to them and say “that’s what you’ll be if you don’t follow the rules” or “those are the people making it hard for you.”
There are no people that are poor by choice, they are forced into that position by a social structure that needs the threat of poverty to operate. So to blame people for doing a natural part of human biology while poor is like asking “how dare those in debt spend the money they owe on food to survive?”
Empathy is the only thing that threatens this status quo. Quit judging people for being different and instead judge them on the harm they put into this world. Our society is so fucked that we produce excess food just to take up space in stores. Every human being on the planet could live the idealized American middle class life on 30% of the global GDP. The only reason anyone is poor is because we let awful people make the rules.
Ok ok, youve turned the wrong alley, buddy. Im not judging the poor or the rich or anyone or having🤐🤐 any thoughts or/and opinions about how society should and shouldnt be. Like in the other replies I am just asking why is it that in case of wanting children (a luxary) the judgement is different than in case of wanting a nice car (also luxary, albeit, less expensive 🙂)
Because having a child isn’t a luxury. Reproduction is how a species works and luxury is a term for something wholly unnecessary and is inherently economically coded.
If animals had to afford to have babies we’d live in a barren world.
I am not going to argue over the definition of the word “luxury” but on an individual level (not populational!!!) how does it make sense to still choose to have a child (excluding accidents, rape and lack of education!!!) in THIS frigging economy lmao.
__>shoots himself in the foot
__>“nooooo why is there a bullethole in my foot”
It’s genuinely insane that you consider reproducing a luxury. It’s a basic biological drive and something that can happen by accident. Yes it can be prevented, where legal, but people uncomfortable with getting an abortion shouldn’t be pressured into it. Also society relies on reproduction to a certain degree.
Luxury*
Man, it’s like with that image we already know what you are.
Fuck off
Not nice bro
Man, if you’re in the West, you’ve known people who can barely speak the language and still work full time or more and their kids are in school, have a roof over their heads and are eating well. They might not have the latest iPhone or go to Bali but still. It’s usually mental health issues (addictions included) or straight up selfishness what stops people from caring and providing for their children, from what I’ve seen.
Children are going to be made whether we can afford them or not. It’s our biological imperative. A small segment of the population at any given time can restrain these imperatives for more opportune moments or choose not to.
In that light, it’s best to just have sympathy for life and those who make it and respect those who do choose otherwise.
Also, shitty question. Instigating a bunch of finger-pointing and arguing with loaded questions is childish. Don’t do that here.
A genuine one tho. What deives people who KNOW they are going to go broke and struggle IF they make a child? What’s a “biological imperative”? Are you suggesting we are animals who cannot choose?
What I am suggesting is that there is something disingenuous about your posts. You’ve been here 4 days, have posted 4 topics, with one cross-posted, that seem written in a way to stir up arguments. You’ve made 30+ comments but none outside of your own topics.
Do you always join communities and immediately start posting provocative questions while ignoring all the other content?
What’s your purpose for being here in the fediverse?
Thats your assumption. I am just not interested enough in other people’s shit, thats all. Why would I be? 🙂 Is it a bad thing? I mind my own business and do my own thoughts
I mind my own business and do my own thoughts
This is clearly a lie.
But your answer tells us a lot more about your purpose than you probably meant to. If you came here with the intent to only interact in the topics you post, a narrative you’re crafting with the shape of the aggregate of questions, revolving around divisive social topics, then you’re not here to be a contributing member of a community but instead came with an agenda.
It doesnt really conclusively tell us that I have an agenda and I don’t
Sure it does. Did you forget that everyone can see your vote history?
There’s no right time to have a child, and generally younger is better (within reason). I don’t blame someone for having a kid at a bad time. I do blame someone continuing to have kids despite already struggling with the kids they have.
Well… My point kinda is. Should you? 🙂 Like at all? (if you can’t afford it)?
Your parents probably shouldn’t have.
Can’t really blame them for that, since income can come and go for a variety of reasons.
What I do wish, however, is that people would be more cautious about having children. There are too many unprepared and unfit parents.
Those who are most unfit, don’t have the ability to reflect on their own fitness.
Well I don’t support having children in general. Life is just a way to death, so if you truly understand life, you will not do that act of bringing children into this world.
You mean, people who are too dumb to use a condom?
Not sure if they do it deliberately, but there’s like this sorta expectation to sympathize with parents who despite making what seems to be like either a tidbit or far too tittle for them to comfortably support their kids IRL in my circle of communication
So you don’t know the details of their circumstances but want to judge them anyway?
Some people would argue that If they haven’t considered the change of circumstances then that’s still on them. I guess they should have considered the possibility of losing their job and planned for a nice cushy buffer in advance
Do you have a nice cushy buffer right now?
If you don’t, why haven’t you considered that a change of circumstance can happen to you? Why haven’t you planned for every single possible bad thing that can happen in your life? You should be 100% prepared for anything life throws at you at any given moment, right?
Ima be fine without 2 of my jobs for at least a couple of months and even I feel insecure at times and they are walking the fence where there’s lava of consequences from boths sides of it. Brrr, scary. I’d much rather make the platform as wide as I can before even starting walking
yes, I do 🙂
