I am not criticizing them, I’m just out of the loop.
The Fediverse is home to a lot of young, tech-minded people distrustful of major corporations. The younger generations are more likely to come out as transgender due to greater awareness and acceptance of gender identity and dysphoria, and a decentralised, open platform is naturally going to appeal to communists, syndicalists and other left-wingers who don’t want some billionaire buying the next website they get comfortable on. And funnily enough, there are a surprising number of trans people in the tech sector, to the point where trans-flag socks have become a meme among programmers.
This seems like the most straightforward answer. But it doesn’t explain why people on the right haven’t come to the fediverse in proportional numbers. I know a lot of right leaning Libertarian communities, and for some reason they like cryptocurrency and FOSS but not the fediverse.
proportional
Maybe they just don’t have the actual numbers you’d expect from their outsized presence in the discourse, when they’re not being protected, or facilitated, or actively promoted by engagement algorithms or the individuals who own the other platforms.
(I’m pretty sure this is the case, but I’m too lazy to get sources just this minute)
But they have. It’s just they are so hateful and annoying that sooner than later they get banned or defederated. So they drop out of the face of the activity pub. Since no single entity can use an algo to force their views onto all users (ads or suggestion algos) they never resurface.
And of course crypto bros hate the fediverse, it doesn’t let them force their ponzi schemes with ads or SEOed posts. And most people here were initially pretty tech savvy individuals, almost all actively hostile against nfts and altcoins. As for Foss, they only like that the software is free, the freedom ideology is just lip service for them, they don’t actually believe. Case in point, Oracle. Foss? Free for me but not for thee.
They already have alt-tech, which had kind of a headstart on the Fediverse.
People on the right don’t see the issue with neoliberalism. They are mostly fine with all the ads based system and corporate making billions out of the datas. Neoliberalism tend towards fascism with time. They will prefer fascism to redistribute profits to the workers.
The fediverse is a different point of view. You can defederate if it goes wrong with an instance what makes the profits by ad revenue impossible or too small. The big corps don’t have a huge interest in these platform without profits. People on the right will follow these corps and the platforms affiliated.
On the left, people will federate. I recommend to have a good read about the fondation of the unions in the 19th century. People of the diversity will historically be on the left rather than on the right. Again, for the profits, the neoliberals will prefer to oppress you as a minority for the profits than to have social and societal consideration for you.
You ends with the people of the left coming to the fediverse and the right on corps social media.
You don’t have to be a right wing extremist to be libertarian (small L).
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Trans people and communists are nearly half of software dev. The other half are furries.
How dare you imply most software devs aren’t all three simultaneously
Not sure why this is such a common perception. Most of the software devs I know are pretty average people other than being computer nerds. I met one trans CS student in college but that was it.
mate he didn’t say in general
he said the devs of Lemmy
normie cs dorkies are chasing 12hr intern jobs at explotative upstarts
youve been here for 17 days and made nearly 500 comments and ive seen you reply with obvious troll comments to every comment on several different posts on here.
You need a life dude.
Based off the amount of fury porn communities I’ve blocked, half seems very, very conservative. What’s the old joke, if a bomb went off at a fury convention the Internet would go down?
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It’s more a Venn diagram which includes trans furries, communist furries and the elusive trans communist furry which has only been theorised to exist.
The issue I have with this is that publicly expressing their love for others is an extremely natural and normal thing to do. Talking openly about your opposite-gender spouse, kissing or holding hands with your partner, going out for a nice date - whatever. These are all totally normal things which people won’t blink at when a heterosexual couple is doing it, yet LGBT people can still be discriminated against for these behaviours. That’s not even getting into trans or gender-non-conforming people, who can be discriminated against simply for existing and presenting the way they do.
I don’t just want to ensure that LGBT people are free from explicit legislative discrimination. I want them to be free from social discrimination as well. Social consequences for being publicly gay are not acceptable, even if people aren’t in favour of more open forms of discrimination.
it’s amazing what you see when algorithms aren’t deciding it for you.
Because the Lemmy software was developed by communist-leaning developers and they have, prior to the reddit exodus, had the biggest communities. As for the transgender related content, the transgender community was one of the largest to leave reddit for Lemmy.
Do a shot every time someone says this
I wonder why disparate and well-meaning communities would leave a social media platform full of outspoken fascists.
Communists leaning is putting it lightly.
The creators of Lemmy are openly marxist-leninist That why one of the biggest instances was .ml
As in M Marxist L Leninist
Normal people use mainstream social media and don’t care about the fediverse. They don’t even care that Elon/Spez/Zuckerberg/Google are changing the sites.
Extremists, trans people, and others who tend to get minimized, banned, and shunned from mainstream websites probably like the idea of the fediverse. Somewhere generally without administration that they can own.
Just like alt-right and Nazi types have the same thing going with Parler and Voat, it looks like the extremist left have made their home in the fediverse
I just hate ads and want the ad driven internet to die.
That’s why I came here too. Then, it was infested with tankies. Been a strange experience so far.
I think that a lot of people forget that collectively all the english as a first language countries added together dont add up to the population of china or india. So the algorithm which doesnt discriminate based on language just feeds us the aggregate.
I try not to get annoyed at the tankies. If my government would fuck my life up and disappear my family for talking shit about them, Id probably play along too.
This is actually an interesting take.
And, I almost tend to agree. They’re awfully tough to digest, even with empathy. Their tactics are… bad?
It’s almost like an abused animal that you’d like to help. But, it’s such a threat that you kinda have to leave it be. Every time you try to feed it, it bites and scratches you,and everyone around you.
At some point, despite the empathy, you just let it starve.
This is the right answer. Of course marginalized groups tend to colonize new communities, because the big platforms, both because of their top-down structuring Nd because of the people who are on them, aren’t always welcoming.
This is different from Voat tho. Voat was explicitly made to be a “free speech zone” i.e. a “let’s say nazi shit because nobody can censor us”-space. The fediverse’s idea is simply not to be dependent on centralised platforms, it says nothing about the content. If it happens to be left leaning, it’s because left leaning people tend to care more about stuff like right to privacy and centralisation.
It really seems like all “free speech” social sites are really just places for racism to flourish.
The more transgender related posts are mostly because 196 a very large queer and especially trans friendly subreddit closed permanently and migrated wholesale to a instance called blahajzone. If you look at r/place right now you can tell the absence of 196 by the fact there are very few queer symbols on r/place compared to last year where 196 and associated subs had coordinated artworks and defense campaigns for their flags. I’m pretty sure last time they managed to take over the American flag and force it to move to another spot on the canvas. Now there are two small flags and nothing else.
Potato - potatoe, tomato - tomatoe.
You see 196 as
queer and especially trans friendly
I see it as a garden of shitposting delights.
Right? I’m pretty straight as these things go but didn’t know I needed that much queer shitposting in my life.
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i can vouch for that as someone who participated this year. even maintaining a bunch of barcode flags on the canvas near the painting frame was difficult because of how little people we had.
Because the people that flock to these platforms first are usually technically adept nerds and free thinkers.
There aren’t nearly as many right wingers and fascists as social media makes you believe. Speaking as a Mastodon instance admin, every single time we’ve had huge waves of bot and/or troll signups they’ve been very clearly right wing accounts (almost all had similar bios) that almost immediately started interacting with and boosting each other as well as harassing trans and queer people.
The thing about the fediverse is that it can’t be manipulated the way centralized social media can. So what happens is that it gets handled very quickly. They get banned and their instances get defederated so all they can do is shout into the void. They’re not, nor have they ever been, the majority by any stretch of the imagination, and most people have absolutely no desire to hear what they have to say at all.
On top of that, a huge number of them are grifters, and they won’t get any engagement here. They can’t get the kind of viral outrage they need because most people aren’t even seeing their posts.
stares in “12% of Greek voters choosing blatant facist parties”
25% of any population is pure lunatics.
Another 25% are just dumb as rocks.
Then you got about 35% of average decent people.
Then you have 10 % of just awesome people.
5% rich sociopaths
10% other
I was talking about social media specifically.
I wonder how long it’s gonna take for the elites to start trying to pull a Conservapedia on the Fediverse? Cause, you know, all that engagement with non-conservative ideas can’t be organic, right? It’s clearly manipulated by the cabal or something, and we gotta have BaLaNcE.
in a word, intersectionality. you’re getting people who were already looking for an excuse to ditch reddit and twitter, and of that group, you’re selecting the ones with the most tech literacy. That tends to overlap people with progressive politics.
Gays are to Boomers as Trans is to Gen-X ers. I’ve been wondering what the marginalized group Millennials are going to have trouble with. My current guess is Poly, but that is just a guess at this point.
Millennial here, no hate towards poly-folk. Seems exhausting, but do you boo.
I expect it will be something AI related, like wanting them to have rights or whatever as they approach mimicking human behavior and
appearingbeing alive (see, did it there). Likely because of a decade or so of us being economically threatened, and not viewing them as things that can think/'feel/not-want-to-die or whatever.No fucking way will I ever support AI having rights. It’s game over then, just hand all the power to corpos.
Groups I have trouble with as a millennial:
- Fascists and neo-nazis
- Groups which manufacture outrage that marginalize others (This can sometimes be focused/hidden inside of “_____ rights” groups, ironically)
- Anti-intellectuals
- Fringe extremists both on the left & right. They wrap around and are more like each other than they are to their “side”
One thing I don’t understand is certain types of slang but I understand that’s more a result of not being exposed to it regularly then anything else.
Ofc I don’t understand people that identify as a dog, or a snake, or a duck. But they are free to do them, as long as they don’t try and force that on me (ie. Inconveniencing others/trying to be the main character by being unprofessional in the work place, or making life harder for services/people that don’t cater specifically to them…etc). I think that applies generally to anyone, but you seem to have to walk on eggshells if the person who is being a dick is of some other nature, as if that excuses the behavior.
While writing this I had an epiphany. My biggest gripes are harmless groups who are viewed as fragile, who are able to get away with behavior/actions that others cannot because others don’t want to be viewed as _____Phobic and lynched. Empowering some of them to, generally, be assholes. That’s what I can’t stand.
It’s not that hard. Capitalists and neoliberals
/s Those polygones are at it again, ruining <home country here>.
I don’t know if it’s just Reddit and Lemmy, but it feels like the internet in general just started trending heavily towards transgender-related stuff in the past few years. Just references to Femboys and trans flags all over the place, it’s kind of weird how quickly it gained such traction. I don’t have any problem with the trans community, if any of my kids came out as LGBTQ+, I would love them just as much. In high school I literally wore dresses and got beat up and made fun of for being different (more for the punk/goth aesthetic), so I’ve had some understanding of what they go through, even if I don’t identify with any of it personally. I sympathize with what they’re going through right now given that an entire political party has decided to turn them into scapegoats.
And I think it’s great that they’re building a community around themselves and are able to find other people that accept them for who they are, but I find their online communities tend to be incredibly hostile and militant to anybody that is less than completely loyal to the cause. Even just asking questions, giving opinions, or commenting any sort of criticism of their militant behavior gets you banned if you’re not 150% supportive. Anything you say is twisted around to make it seem like you’re a bigot who completely hates trans people and you’re essentially a nazi. It tends to be incredibly negative, like they’re looking to be outraged at the slightest provocation. Their tactics tend to be incredibly heavy-handed, just absolutely no tolerance for Cisgender people not understanding their lifestyle.
So I’ve just started blocking trans and furry content because I just don’t care to see it. It’s just not my bag, nothing against people that are in that community. The same way nobody else would really care to see if I made posts glorifying heterosexuality and being a boring vanilla binary white guy, I’m just not interested in celebrating lifestyle choices simply for the sake of celebrating it. I’ll go to LGBTQ+ weddings and I’ll defend anybody’s right to love whomever they want or be whatever they want to be, but I just have other things I’m more interested in reading about. Board games, science, technology, politics, climate change, graphic design, art, music, movies, and whatever else other than someone else’s sexual identity. Maybe that makes me closed-minded, I don’t know, I thought the point was equality?
I’m not seeing any of what you’re describing, maybe you should edit your subscriptions and then filter to Subscribed so you’re only getting content that interests you? I think it’s great for people to have an environment where they can celebrate life events that should be allowed to bring them unqualified joy, but IRL may draw snide comments and abuse from families and strangers and coworkers. I’m an old cis het white mom, but maybe I need to seek out some of those communities and spread a bunch of upvotes like confetti at a wedding.
That doesn’t make you closed-minded, it actually makes you a free thinker. Nobody should have to share or weigh in on the obsessions of the media at any time. Awareness is good but the media doesn’t exactly give us healthy things to think about. The world is so much more than just mass shootings, identity politics, and loudmouths with too much money and power.
If you block furry stuff you’ll miss out on a lot of network security news
I saw some new-atheist style anti-mulsim racist trans women online the other day.
Given how men are more likely to be openly racist online, I’ve been waiting for the honeymoon phase of liberal type trans activism to taper off, much like how you can find many right wing LGB people online today, but as this post suggests, they’re mostly liberal for now.
because the fediverse is a place where the admins choose to federate with whoever they want and get to choose what are the policies in their own instances. so you got a chance to stop the hatred and harrasment trans people are victim of on other social plateform where the company don’t want to dive into “political” stuff
it’s kind of a safe space online for trans and lgbt for that reason
I blocked the blahaj (nothing against trans people. “Communities” based on sex/gender-stuff is just cringe) and lemmygrad (plus other tankie) instances. Now I barely see any of it.
Same… Nothing against trans people, they can do them, but I have absolutely zero interest in reading about that sort of thing in much the same way I have zero interest in reading about stamp collection.
Ultimately, I joined Lemmy as a reddit refugee… If Lemmy turns out to be a place where I’m not interested in the majority after some time I’ll just leave 🤷
You’re cringe. I have an account on a community about arch linux…
I’ve been doing that too. Is there a way to block whole instances? Doing it by community is tedious.
On Connect you can just press the “…” menu on a post and press “block instance”. Not sure about other clients or webui.
I see little of either.
IDK, I see tons of left and trans content on YT and Twitter, for example. That is because that’s the type of content I like, and the type of people I follow. I suspect what you’re noticing isn’t so much the presence of communism and trans people, but the absence of dumb shit.
Not an especially intolerant of others group.
It’s less which group applies to me, it’s which group do I not mind sharing a space with.
I can look at a trans post and either think lol or I don’t get it.
I see a fascist/racist post and not think it’s funny, and that it makes me kind of sad.
