• SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    21 days ago

    I’m pretty convinced that there are real people, and there are bots/inciters.

    The vast majority of the ones you (and real people magas) hear are bots and inciters.

    I wonder what level or percentage of bots and inciters would be needed to destabilize a country’s people, and what level of influence like this would be needed to sustain it. Honestly? Probably not much, the United States is constantly on its own internal cold civil war and has been since the beginning.

    Maybe there’s a great intellectual threshold needed to see through the bullshit, and most people are born into systems built to prevent seeing through that threshold by any means necessary.

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    21 days ago

    In Vietnam war, US narrative that gave the impression of continuous victory was Vietcong body count ratio of 10:1+ over dead Americans. Very few ordinary Americans received a cheque (income increase) related to Vietcong body count.

    In Iran, US spending $40B + expected Israel reinbursement of their $20B, to blow up over 9000 shit, and more than what Iran blew up can only be related to victory, if it was a goal to have a higher video game score measured in TNT damage. If it was a goal to make oil prices yoyo up and down, but mostly up, then victory achieved. The propaganda about US winning in illegal war on Iran simply can’t be measured in metrics unrelated to goals.

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    20 days ago

    GIven that the rest are blatant lies, the “20k protesters” one doesn’t belong in the meme. Because while it’s poor justification for a war that will only make things worse, a similar number has been independently confirmed according to some comments here.

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    22 days ago

    Ok but the Iranian regime killed between like 15k and 40k protestors. That has been reported by many independent organizations.

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      21 days ago

      Goddamn it, we fucking know.

      If Trump was trying to rescue them from the Iranian regime, he sure has a weird way of going about it, yeah? The only thing he’s been bitching about is opening the strait. He’s even threatened to bomb Iran “back to the stone age where they belong” his words, if they don’t comply. And “kill an entire civilization”, doesn’t really sound like a good way to stop the murder of civilians.

      Iran committing violence against their citizens is reprehensible and should be condemned. Obviously. But if you really believe that’s why Trump is waging this war, you should consider the overwhelming evidence that he’s been played by the Israelis and his sycophant cabinet is too scared to tell him it’s a fucking horrible, stupid idea, that will only serve to harm US interests in the region. If the Iranians benefit in any way from this war, it’s an unintended consequence. He’s a moron with a god complex. He has ZERO care for the Iranian people, because he only cares about himself. That’s all he’s ever cared about.

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        21 days ago

        If Iran killed 400 trillion protestors, bombing them still doesn’t appear to even follow the beginnings of a plan to help rescue that country from an oppressive regime. You’d want international relations and spycraft that develop confident dissent in their government, and show them a better way of life.

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        21 days ago

        yall are like rabid dogs. You just get one little whiff of something and then make up the rest in your own head. Where did I dispute anything else, or show support for anything else?

        I literally pointed out that one of those “facts” is wrong. Obviously Trump is beholden to Israel (because of Epstein) and the oil lobby and MIC, and he’s crazy bla bla bla. I shouldn’t have to say that in every single comment. Y’all are really something. Learn to read.

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          21 days ago

          If I misread your comment, I apologize. It’s not easy to dig through every comment thread and map each person’s replies to the claims they’re making in other threads. If you were simply disputing the number quoted in the meme, that wasn’t clear.

          I’ve been conditioned by lots of other online interactions by insane right wing MAGA lunatics to read that as a whataboutism argument, a bias I’m realizing is creating a lot of confusion here.

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    22 days ago

    ITT: Whitewashing and justifying all the protester-murdering Iran did a couple months ago.

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          21 days ago

          This one in particular. Every time we see a protest in an authoritarian regime, it is excused as a CIA plot, the actual people are never acknowledged as humans fucking pissed at having a boot to their neck.

          IRL, I’ve been accused as being a paid shill because I protest. Authoritarian shitheads literally cannot imagine people have different opinions from them, nor that they would take any action over it.

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            I’m glad I asked. I agree, that comment is bullshit. The way you responded, it wasn’t clear what you meant, to be honest. It reads a bit like you’re defending the MAGA justification for going to war.

            “They killed 20k protestors” is ambiguous in its meaning. Are they saying that’s a lie, and MAGA is stupid for not seeing that it’s a psyop? Or are they saying MAGA is stupid for thinking that’s really why we’re going to Iran, to rescue the civilians, and save them from this evil regime?

            You seem to have taken the first interpretation. I think a lot of other people here assumed the second. Also, I don’t even see that comment, so it’s even more confusing what you meant.