People forget head of the Vatican is an incredibly powerful political position. The pope changing his plans doesn’t say he’s afraid of you. It says you are less reasonable than the Catholic Church.
His absence is so much more damaging to the GOP than his presence. He played them good!
That being said, I am a little disappointed the pope didn’t call Donald’s bluff. If he shows up and died on American soil, the entire world (who needs only half a reason to stop tolerating our shit) would unite against us. If he survived, Trump would look even more impotent. Damn.
On the matter VP Vance had this to say “I think it’s always a bad idea to offer an opinion on stories that are unconfirmed and uncorroborated, so I’m not going to do that.”
this is coming from the “Haitians are breaking into homes to eat your pets!” guy
Nothing reasonable about pedophile protecting fascist JD Vance. Let’s not allow them to position him as a viable leader.
You must be to type of person who beleives B. HUSSEIN Obama was born in the US. /s
Mission Accomplished.
So they threatened the pope of the catholic church with assassination… Thats some Israeli level shit. Is Trump even the president at this point?
let’s not forget Vance already killed the last pope by extreme cringe
The last pope died shortly after meeting with Vance. Sure he had pneumonia (but felt well enough to take a meeting), but Vance could conceivably have had something on his hand that interacted with the popes diminished health. Its pure speculation of course, and no one can prove it either way and the timing is suspect, when you see them now threatening the current pope with assassination. Assassination just comes to their mind huh?
Vance doesn’t exactly look like the kind of guy who prioritizes washing his hands after a visit to the bathroom …or couch. Who knows what he had growing under those fingernails.
Does threatening The Pope and starting a war with Iran disqualify you from retaining a gold plastic FIFA Peace Prize?
The fifa peace prize used to mean something
“Did u even say thank you, pope?” -Vance
This is a huge story and I’m trying to find another source that also claims threats were made.
As things got heated, Colby reportedly lectured Cardinal Pierre on the military power of the U.S. and told him that the Catholic Church must pick a side, according to Hale, and mentioned the “Avignon papacy.”
All information about the meeting was obtained by Ferraresi from Vatican and U.S. officials briefed on the Pentagon meeting. What Could Such a Reference Indicate?
There is no doubt that a reference to the “Avignon papacy” by a Pentagon official was meant to make the Vatican feel uneasy about crossing the Trump administration.
Some have suggested that the reference of this chapter of medieval history might signal the Trump administration’s intention to trigger a new schism, while others think it would suggest its willingness to use military force against the Holy See. Ferraresi, however, said that interpreting it as a military threat is “just absurd.”
According to Mike Young, author of a newsletter on civic accountability, the mention of the “Avignon papacy” was a reference to “an implicit model for what happens to religious institutions that oppose state power.”
In a post on X, he wrote: “That’s not a slip of the tongue. That’s a studied historical reference deployed deliberately in a room with the Pope’s senior diplomat. The message was not subtle.”
I’ve seen other references elsewhere. Any quotes on what was said seem to reference the Free Press article. But the other sources are still reporting that there was a meeting, and the Vatican didn’t like what they heard,whatever it was.
According to Vatican and U.S. officials who were briefed on the meeting and spoke to the publication, the Pentagon criticized the Pope’s statements in January, interpreting them as hostile attacks on Trump’s policies.
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A Vatican official speaking to The Free Press said the Pope has no plans to visit the U.S. while Trump is in office.
Kinda funny considering this pope is an American.
I’m almost surprised he’s no an expat at this point.
He literally is, what do you mean?
To add:
An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person who resides outside their native country.
Pope: US Born -> Lives in Popelandia -> Expat
They fucking hate when you call them immigrants though
Or LBH
It would be ironic if Trump does to the Vatican what he did to Venezuela, even after the US Catholic Bishops’ drive toward outlawing Abortion might have been the decisive factor giving Trump enough support to win both elections.
From what I’ve seen, there seems to be a difference in priorities between Catholic leadership in America vs the rest of the world. If the Republicans continue to antagonize the Pope, that would probably work in their favor.
You’re not wrong, but that’s not the way Catholicism works. People overplay the “infallibility” angle, but the bishops are supposed to listen to the Pope, that’s the whole point.
The logical end result of “a difference in priorities between Catholic leadership in America vs the rest of the world.” is either that the US bishops get in line, or we have a new Schism.
And I think this Pope knows it. The original Pope Leo is literally the Patron Saint of “defending against heresy”. He chose that name for a reason.
There’s the middle ground of enough bishops get fired to bring the rest inline.
You’re totally right about the fact that they’re supposed to follow the Pope, but they’re also throwing references to the Avignon Papacy.
It could also very well be a schism where you have the American cardinals declare the Pope is from their own ranks backed by the State while another is in Rome. We’ve already seen a superpower do this with Buddhism.
Maybe that’s Trump’s retirement gig, he’ll leave the Presidency and become Pope Donald the Lecherous
Too old and useless to go full Alexander VI, but yeah.
Someone in the meeting then reportedly mentioned the Avignon Papacy to Pierre. This refers to a 14th century attack on the Vatican by the French king, in which Pope Boniface VIII was murdered by assassins and the Vatican was forced to relocate to Avignon where it could be controlled by the French crown for the next 67 years.
Sounds like they’re threatening to do to the pope what they did to Maduro.
The Vatican could probably wipe out just about any government on Earth if it wanted to. They’ve got billions of sleeper agents all over the world who’d do whatever it tells them, many of them in the very governments they want to destroy. “The US has threatened to destroy Catholicism. You know what you need to do!” and suddenly everyone from mafiosos to Irish grannies to couch fuckers would be booking flights to Mar-a-Lago.
It doesn’t sound like you’ve met any Catholics
I have known too many Catholics to believe this. Unless they could wipe out these governments with passive aggressive looks.
I didn’t know they had internet from whatever decade this sort of old school racism is from.
The mafia has more subtly and self control than anyone in this administration.
Organized crime is in bed with the administration make no mistake. They are junior partners, or in the case of organized crime in the service of certain nation-state actors they are controlling partners.
Just as an aside, when Steve Bannon was in prison, he hung out with the mobsters.
gonna find out the Vatican is sitting on weapons far more powerful than nukes
Couchfucker is doubly going to hell now
