Just wait until Project 2025 slams home and tears the shit out of women’s rights. Shitheads.
Plenty of Republican women voters are post-menopausel already. Plenty are insistent that their daughters get pregnant already, or that their son’s sexual partners carry a fetus to term.
This isn’t a gender thing nearly so much as a class thing.
+1…Their cousins are “busy” in the red run oblasts, eh.
I’m pretty sure that at least the 80% of them feels like shit right now.
46% of Latinos voted for trump. We really need to battle the billionaire owned propaganda Machine
Many Latinos are super religious. It’s not just the billionaire propaganda machine it’s centuries of indoctrination from the Catholic Church. Even if the billionaire propaganda machine didn’t exist and every news media outlet is factual, independent and transparent many will still vote for an R because of their religious beliefs.
Many Latinos are super religious.
Reason enough to close the Southern border.
The Catholic Church is openly opposed to this administration so a vote for Trump was a vote against the pope so nice try but no
I don’t think Latinos are idiots who believe whatever they read. I think they’re generally as smart as any other racial group, and they possess the ability to think critically and make informed decisions. I have spoken with many Latinos who voted for Trump. I think many people don’t understand that Mexicans and South Americans are generally socially and fiscally conservative. They’re often Christian and have strong proletarian work ethics.
This is a nonsensical argument the republicans literally always add trillions to the debt, funnel all the government money to their criminal friends and cause a recession. Fiscal responsibility isn’t a conservative value they’re just brainwashed. ALSO and more importantly you were not able to comprehend what I was saying at all. We have a good portion of the United states brainwashed by billionaire owned propaganda and voting to shoot themselves in the foot. My point wasn’t that Latinos are dumb and that was pretty obvious it was that we have a serious propaganda issue
I agree at the macro level but fiscal conservatism encompasses a lot more than a balanced federal budget. For example, it includes the belief that government welfare should only be given to those truly in need, and not those who commit crime or do not seek to become employed. It includes the belief that people should work hard to support themselves and their family. It includes the belief that taxes should be low. Like it or not, Republicans fare much better on these parts of fiscal conservatism.
This is silly.
None of this addresses the factors I listed:
For example, it includes the belief that government welfare should only be given to those truly in need, and not those who commit crime or do not seek to become employed. It includes the belief that people should work hard to support themselves and their family. It includes the belief that taxes should be low.
It seems you are choosing metrics which make your team look good and ignoring metrics which don’t. You’re pretending that conservatives only care about the deficit to make your point. For example, many conservatives are fine with lower GDP expansion provided it means lower taxes. It’s easy to tax and spend more and make the S&P500 go up, but many conservatives don’t want that.
I suspect you aren’t reading what I’m writing, and you just don’t care. Thank you for the discussion all the same.
Nothing more disgusting than a woman or minority that votes conservative.
What kind of human enjoys having a boot on their neck?
I mean, if it’s the right person, in the right boot, at the right time. That could be a fun Friday night. Don’t shame my, albeit hypothetical, kink.
There has to be at least one person in history who was aroused by the idea of their partner (consensually and temporarily) taking their voting rights away
you mean that?
US feminism is mostly centering on the issues of white, middle-class women, failing to fully integrate the needs of women of color, marginalized, or lower-income women. This lack of a unified approach leads to fragmented advocacy and fragmented outcomes, rather than a broad movement.
Also 53% of white women vote for trump compared to 7% of black women who voted for trump. This showed that they gave more priority to racial identify over collective welfare of all women in usa .
White feminist often ignore or won’t acknowledge that in usa —specifically land ownership and early capital accumulation were built upon the exploitation of Native American and African people.
The systematic removal of Native Americans from their land provided massive amounts of property that was subsequently passed down through generations of white families, serving as a primary source of generational wealth which black women or native American women doesn’t have.
The wealth generated by the labor of enslaved African people in agriculture and other industries directly enriched white slaveholders and, by extension, their present generation . Jim crows law curbed wealth generation for black women compared to white women
Wealth disparity between Black and white women in the USA is severe, with white households holding nearly 10 times the median net worth of Black households, or approximately 15 cents for every dollar. Black women face lower income, less intergenerational wealth, lower homeownership rates, and higher debt, often keeping them in lower-wage service jobs without benefits.
white feminists often ignore these issues Best example would be :-1)DEI
Despite DEI mostly benefitted white women , most of the white feminist organisation ignored whether black women benefitted or not .they doesn’t cared about native American or black women . They often fail to view things from racial angle by focusing just on gender angle
2)Most of the educational scholarships are benefitted by white women over native American ,black women
Unlike Scandinavian countries where feminists became inclusive that they heavily prioritised welfare and empowerment of minority women belonging to Sami tribe community Whereas in United States , everything is just in words not in action.
US feminism is mostly centering on the issues of white, middle-class women, failing to fully integrate the needs of women of color, marginalized, or lower-income women.
Literally the only feminism I’ve heard about for the past 10 years is intersectional feminism.
Also 53% of white women vote for trump compared to 7% of black women who voted for trump. This showed that they gave more priority to racial identify over collective welfare of all women in usa .
Very much a just-so story. Imo, a far more reasonable interpretation breaks voting patterns along tribal identity, while most women voting care about more things than the very amorphous “collective welfare of all women”. Interesting to note that 38% of latina voters voted for Trump, a statistic strangely absent from your argument…
White feminist often ignore or won’t acknowledge that in usa —specifically land ownership and early capital accumulation were built upon the exploitation of Native American and African people.
I have never met a single self-identifying feminist who would not agree with this to some extent.
The wealth generated by the labor of enslaved African people in agriculture and other industries directly enriched white slaveholders and, by extension, their present generation .
I think Adam Smith would have a lot to say about this. Specifically, he would probably point out that the slave states really had an awfully small economy compared to the free states, and that most of the wealth generation which occurred in the US occurred due to productivity gains driven by technological innovations which were most aggressively exploited in the north. In the long run, few people could claim to have really benefitted noticeably from american slavery - it was just a shitty thing to do for no reason.
Despite DEI mostly benefitted white women
I mean, from the pro-DEI arguments I keep hearing on lemmy, DEI seems to mostly involve removing names from resumes before they are rejected by AI or something. But I wouldn’t be surprised if this critique had merit - most people who benefit from adding footholds inside the system are people who know how to work the system.
2)Most of the educational scholarships are benefitted by white women over native American ,black women
I really don’t have anything to say to this, because it feels like you kind of just shut down in the middle of a rant. Are you okay? Did you have a stroke?
Specifically, he would probably point out that the slave states really had an awfully small economy compared to the free states,
Both things can be true though. The money from black slaves flowed into the pockets of white slaveowners AND it was economically a very dumb move.
If I steal a thousand bucks, and lose nine hundred and fifty while running away, I haven’t benefited much, but that doesn’t change the damage inflicted.
I completely agree.
My point is that saying I am rich because my grandfather snatched your grandmonther’s purse 70 years ago isn’t true if that purse had $0.70 and an empty snickers wrapper in it. Yes, the damage to the other is real, but not the supposed benefits afterward.
Your comment completely completely proves what white feminism is , that’s the lack of accountability and no consideration of rights of minority
Even United Nations acknowledge the need to move beyond white feminism :-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feminism
Adam smith point of view won’t work here cause black people even after abolishment of slavery were not allowed to participate in economy in efficient way . Productivity of economy benefited only white people for wealth generation … In case black people if became successful,they were torn downed to the ground Best example would be what happened to black wall street and how it got destroyed during Tulsa massacre
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Your comment completely completely proves what white feminism is
That would be really weird, considering I don’t even really consider myself to be a feminist. Sure, on any given policy position I agree with them… but it’s kind of like MtG. Sure, you might think MtG is fun - but you don’t want to admit to being an MtG player too early in a relationship, lest you get lumped into all the other MtG players. You know the ones.
Adam smith point of view won’t work here
Adam Smith literally wrote The Wealth of Nations, in part, to explain why Spain wasn’t the richest country in the world after they stole a shit ton of gold from some brown people.
White people today aren’t rich because of wealth they accumulated from exploiting brown people, because that wealth doesn’t accumulate over time. They are wealthy because they participated in a system with strong, stable institutions which created technological innovation.
Brown people didn’t benefit as much from this creation of wealth because they were excluded from the formal and informal social networks and opportunities which would have provided them the means to earn and accumulate wealth, and sometimes had their own wealth, social networks, and social opportunities destroyed. Which was, to be clear, a dick move. But it is not the same dick move that is being described above.
What you said is right , without industrialization there won’t be any rise in economic prosperity, but at the same time
if you look at present day Spanish colonies , much of the property , farmlands of high real estate value are majorly owned by descendants of white people over present generation of black people or native Americans tribes .
Another example would be australia, much of the wealthy real estate , farmlands and property are owned by white people , they got this wealth and property from there ancestors. How there ancestors got this were by displacement of aborginal people from fertile , beach side lands
That means present generation of white people in australia benefit from having high net worth properties , fertile farmlands whereas present day descendants of aborginal people only have dried land and have properties of low real estate value .
This is one of the Main thing causing disparity in australia, same thing would be applicable for usa where white people own majority of property, wealthy farmland . Also Black people were curbed via Jim crows law which were made by white supremists to curb rise of black traders eventually leads to more economic inequality .
Jealous white supremists destroyed black wall street during Tulsa massacre
1)“Literally the only feminism I’ve heard about for the past 10 years is intersectional feminism.”
Actions speaks more than words , Unlike Scandinavian countries where feminists became so inclusive that they heavily prioritised welfare and empowerment of minority women belonging to Sami tribe community Whereas in United States , everything is just in words not in action. Also the percentage of white women voting for trump increased in United States shows what is the state of intersectionality in United States compared to Nordic countries,
2)“Very much a just-so story. Imo, a far more reasonable interpretation breaks voting patterns along tribal identity, while most women voting care about more things than the very amorphous “collective welfare of all women”. Interesting to note that 38% of latina voters voted for Trump, a statistic strangely absent from your argument”
Exactly—voting is shaped by identity. That’s the point. The large gap between white and Black women voters shows that “women” are not a unified political group, and race often outweighs gender solidarity in practice. Bringing up Latina voters actually strengthens the argument—different groups of women have different lived realities and priorities. So main stream white feminists avoided problems of minorities despite making claims of suport for intersectionality
3)“I have never met a single self-identifying feminist who would not agree with this to some extent.”
Acknowledging history isn’t the same as centering it. The critique is that these histories are often treated as background context rather than shaping current feminist priorities and policy focus.
4)“I think Adam Smith would have a lot to say about this. Specifically, he would probably point out that the slave states really had an awfully small economy compared to the free states, and that most of the wealth generation which occurred in the US occurred due to productivity gains driven by technological innovations which were most aggressively exploited in the north. In the long run, few people could claim to have really benefitted noticeably from american slavery - it was just a shitty thing to do for no reason.”
That’s a very selective reading. slavery was deeply integrated into early American capitalism—financing, banking, and global trade . The effects didn’t just disappear; they shaped wealth distribution and institutions long-term. Jim crows laws also disadvantaged black people in economic wealth creation , most of the black workers during this period didn’t had an opportunity to generate assets unlike white people. productivity gains driven by technological innovations mostly benefitted white people because of restrictions for participation of black people in the economy
5)“I mean, from the pro-DEI arguments I keep hearing on lemmy, DEI seems to mostly involve removing names from resumes before they are rejected by AI or something. But I wouldn’t be surprised if this critique had merit - most people who benefit from adding footholds inside the system are people who know how to work the system.”
Yes—and that’s precisely the critique. When structural inequalities aren’t addressed, benefits often flow to those already closer to power like white women rather than the most marginalized groups.
6)“I really don’t have anything to say to this, because it feels like you kind of just shut down in the middle of a rant. Are you okay? Did you have a stroke?”
Dismissing the point doesn’t address it. There’s research showing that diversity initiatives and educational access programs often disproportionately benefit white women compared to more marginalized groups. That’s a structural outcome worth examining, not ignoring.
It’s crazy how you got downvoted despite having good counter points …
Lemmy is generally anti-feminist in my experience.
it’s a convoluted rant blaming white women for trumps win, or something. because if only they were the right kind of feminist they’d have seen the light! or something
I particularly enjoyed the random injection of NA land issues, as if that’s somehow the fault of white middle-class feminism?
Wild stuff. But your typical leftist lemmy rant that is completely out of touch and incoherent and blames other people for being ignorant fools for not being their particular flavor of leftism. Because if only everyone believed what they did, we’d live in a socialist utopia where injustice would not exist and butterflies would fly out of everyone’s assholes when they farted.
Let us not forget our fine Latino men and women. Men 50% women 43%. Another target / supporter of the government.
Let us not forget our fine Latino men and women. Men 50% women 43%.
Lots of expats from Venezuela and Cuba who see Republicans as patrons for their clans. And Republicans reward these blocks with special privileges - prioritization for immigration, exception from state violence, lucrative positions in both the legal and illegal economy.
Marco Rubio got his start selling concaine on behalf of his brother in law Orlando Cicilia, for instance. He was able to rapidly rise through the political scene by playing in an industry the CIA had long staked out for Cuban exiles.
I did not know that, but it sounds about right lmao. Lil Marco the narco
White women are almost as bad as white men in the USA.
- Signed, white dude from USA
When you thought racism was a solved problem, but the USA absolutely has to prove you wrong.
Did anyone think racism was a solved problem?
I used to. When I was a kid in school, I figured it was a holdover from “the racist times” back in the 1960s.
Then I saw how people treated Obama. Real eye opener.
Same here, I thought we were past it and that every year would get better. Guess not.
That’s what made me stop being Republican(a lazy not paying attention 18-22 yo Republican) after Obama was elected I started paying attention and the rise of the tea party was clearly stupid. The more I paid attention the further left I went. Happily voted Obama the 2nd time grudgingly voted Dem the next 3 elections.
Person above you apparently lol
Things seemed to be getting better in the 90s. It wasn’t solved, but it was on course to be getting better. And then 9/11 happened and all of a sudden, it was ok to be prejudice against brown people and it didn’t take long for that to snowball. Seeing that felt like everyone around me was replaced with pod people.
I was informed repeatedly that its all the white men who voted for Trump and it’s all their fault. You saying that ain’t totally true?
Lemmy users don’t realise just how popular Trump was in the 2024 election.
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Trump won 15% of black voters in 2024, up from 8% in 2020 and 6% in 2016.
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21% of black men voted for Trump in 2024. Both black men and black women were both more likely to back Trump in 2024 than in 2020.
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Trump won nearly half of voters aged 18 to 29 in 2024, versus about one-third in 2020.
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49% of men under 50 voted for Trump in 2024, versus 43% in 2020. That group went from backing Biden by 10 points in 2020 to being essentially split in 2024, with Trump holding a narrow edge.
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Trump reached 48% of Hispanic voters in 2024, up from 36% in 2020. Harris won Hispanics by only 3 points, compared with Biden’s 25-point advantage in 2020.
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Trump received 77,302,580 votes in 2024 - 2.5 million more than in 2020 and 14.3 million more than 2016.
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Trump won 49.80% of the national vote and he became the first Republican nominee in 20 years to win the popular vote.
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Trump won 312 electoral votes in 2024 vs 232 in 2020 and 304 in 2016. In state terms, that works out to roughly 31 states in 2024, up from 25 states in 2020 and slightly above his 30 states in 2016.
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Trump won a bigger share of the vote in every state and Washington, D.C. than he did in 2020, and won more actual votes in 40 states.
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In 2024, Trump took all of the seven most competitive states.
I don’t attribute this to Trump’s political prowess, but the ability for the Democrats to unwaveringly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Imagine how bad they had to be to lose to Trump. Their commitment to taking the 20% side of every 80/20 issues will be studied for decades. This wasn’t rocket science. Whatever your views, letting in 10M+ illegal immigrants in four years was a deeply unpopular policy. So was their permissive approach to crime and acceptance of racial discrimination (as long as the victims were the right color).
I hope they don’t make the same mistakes in 2028 but the current selection of candidates is not making me hopeful. Trump is doing his best to lose voters so I fear 2028 will be yet another choice of “who do you hate least?” The US really needs electoral reform. The two party system has resulted in complacent, bloated, arrogant parties which seem to care very little for the interests of the people. Entire books have been written on the broken primary structure alone, which requires placating the more extreme elements of each respective base just to get a shot at the presidency. This inevitably results in candidates from both sides which the other side cannot stand.
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Not sure which number makes me more depressed.
Didn’t a significant portion of black men also vote for Trump? Or was that just the Latinos?
21% of black men voted for trump
Can we stop this “it actually goes back to” argument style.
Look I understand that racism is very entrenched in America from its very beginning, just like every other country on Earth. To frame an argument like that is to say through subtext that no act of reformation can ever be enough.
It reframes humans as inherently ignorant which I hope we all know isn’t the case, any of us who know better only do so because we were taught to think critically.
I understand it’s important to have historical context when defining issues of race and inequity but the issue comes from it being a way to sweep all talk of change under the rug.
It also gives current figures moral cover by saying that no one person is specifically responsible, letting any recent figures off the hook when they’re very culpable. It frames racism as an issue of human nature which it may be but it’s in tandem with ignorance, something only some of us were able to escape because of education.
It’s weaponizing historical context to take away our feeling of agency which is something that has been a tactic on the right and particularly in Russia for years.
Racist rhetoric didn’t begin with Trump but the scale, centrality, and normalization is like no other.
Deep roots should never be a way to absolve recent actors. So while I think historical framing is important, I think it’s also important that we’re mindful we don’t weaponize it to both belittle our progress and erase the possibility for change.
Of course the system has systemic inequality and racism, of course we should work to change that and we should use historical context to identify the disadvantages that have been given to people and how we can fix them. But in the meantime we can still hold the people here and now accountable for what they have done to accelerate the normalization of direct racist tones.
To spend your life tracing only original sin would be to miss the nuance of how it’s evolved.
One of the most important pieces of Trump’s 2024 election was getting the Hispanic vote. Sure, he spent years before, during, and after his first term talking about cracking down on immigration on the southern border, talking about how all of the people coming from Mexico or further south were a bunch of criminals and drug dealers. BUT he courted the Cuban population in southern Florida - mostly the descendants of people who were wealthy enough to have their wealth redistributed by Castro. By calling Harris a communist he was able to get their votes, win Florida, and that would have made the difference in the election.
The very concept of who counts as “white” changes depending on what the racists of the time want. In the not-too-distant past, Irish and Italian people were not considered white. I still don’t know if Bernie Sanders or other Jews are considered white or not.
Even for data like this… Is it really a black women vs white women issue, or is it a rich person vs poor person issue? And yes, those economic division have deep roots in the history of racism, but that doesn’t explain the whole picture.
Look at the people around Trump. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is one of those Cuban south Floridians. Secretary of Labor Lori Chavez-DeRemer is a Hispanic woman. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard is part Samoan, born in Somoa. FBI Director Kash Patel is Indian - his family fled persecution in Uganada.
And then there’s foreign policy. Trump seems to largely be pushing the USA away from predominantly white European countries that have historically been allies. Trying to break up NATO and undermine the EU, making threats against Canada and Greenland. Cozying up to Muhammed Bin Salman.
The people in power love when the masses fight amongst themselves.
couldn’t agree more, divide and conquer taken to the world stage. Division down on race, background, employment and anything else to keep us busy while the rich rob us blind and Trump’s cabinet lines their pockets
To frame an argument like that is to say through subtext that no act of reformation can ever be enough.
That’s the point though. When you frame it that way you turn it into an extreme issue, to which you allowed an extreme reaction. You can never acknowledge progress or growth or change. It’s can therefore be perpetual ragebait. And Americans eat this up. They love it.
One of the key tenants of modern leftist ID politics is that racism is a form of original sin that can never be washed clean, and often ti goes so far to claim that being white is makes you irredeemable racist, thus you own an infinite debt to minorities. And you must spend your life perpetual seeking forgiveness for your racism and being forever vigilant at any possibly racist thoughts you or anyone you know has.
One of the key tenants of modern leftist ID politics is that racism is a form of original sin that can never be washed clean, and often ti goes so far to claim that being white is makes you irredeemable racist, thus you own an infinite debt to minorities. And you must spend your life perpetual seeking forgiveness for your racism and being forever vigilant at any possibly racist thoughts you or anyone you know has.
You’re right, just trying to be a voice for change.
