• Tja@programming.dev
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          Yes, Putin probably enjoys this, but this is not trump alone. He has the support of the whole republican party, or at least 95% of it.

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            He has support of the US. They voted for him and for his ‘opposition’ of cowards that can do nothing but watch cry crocodile tears.

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            I agree it’s not but like AIPAC I don’t think it’s a stretch that the broader cartel that is the GOP realizes their reelection hinges on the bilateral relationship with Russia. They’ve been in cahoots for at least 2 decades or more.

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          Well don’t think he’s that happy since his supply of drones most likely has dried up

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            If I understand right, ruzzia has long since started to develop and innovate domestically upon the design of Shaheds, and I don’t think they were receiving that many relative to domestic production, though I agree it’s a thorn in Putin’s side presumably.

            Though I have some other theories as to the bigger game being played here but just theories and speculation.

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        Well Russia didn’t do it because they don’t have the “fuck you” power that the US has. Russia sucks and is a huge danger, but this is absolutely not the time to whataboutism about them. I really hope you’re being ironic, because otherwise it’s just providing cover for mass murder.

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          I mean… there can be two murderous ruthless sadistic powers on earth. Three even! I’ll let you choose the third.

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            And whataboutisms do not help either case. They just muddy the water and derail the conversation. If you want to talk about Russia or China, the US fighting this awful war only helps other competing empires. Russia is more likely to carve further into Europe, China is more guaranteed to take Taiwan, and other countries will race towards nuclear deterrents even harder then they were. Many more people are dead and will die because of this path America has driven us into. It is horrific and America needs to be stopped to make everyone safer.

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              It’s not whataboutism, it’s condemning both and NOT letting the existence of other justify the actions of one.

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                That’s not the way it comes across. It was just as annoying when people did the “what about American imperialism!” when Russia first invaded Ukraine. Timing matters

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                China is bad, but it’s it worse than the these to 3. I doubt it.

                The west considers it worst since

                1. It’s not an European or white nation, which is technologically advanced.
                2. It’s daring to reject European interference.
                3. It is communist.
                4. It is trying to be the next hegemony.

                It is bad because

                1. It is a dictatorship
                2. There are a lot of human rights abuse happening in is own country.
                3. It does try to be the next USSR.
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                  I was thinking about how it treat minorities and their threats to Taiwan and how that would impact the global balance and economy.

                  I don’t care about their race, claimed economic system or government.

                  But Israel is a genocidal regime, so as of 2026 definitely worse. China has potential to do more damage, tho.

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        “russia would do” - when you say that to yourself remember that phrase is propaganda. it’s literally some shit the USA did do. Your “IDK” is cognitive dissonance.

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      Every statement of this tweet is factually false.

      The US did and does horrible things, but the attack of this ship was legal: https://www.uwa.edu.au/news/article/2026/march/us-sank-an-iranian-warship-and-didnt-rescue-survivors-is-this-legal-in-war

      It was a cruel and cynical attack, but it adhered to the rules of warfare.

      This doesn’t change that Trump is a monster and this war is horrible, but this torpedo attack itself was legal.

      Edit: anybody thinking I’m defending Trump or his war on Iran can check my post history. This is my post from literally 1 day ago:

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      Lot of gymnastics here. This is pretty simple: do not move your unarmed warship through international waters so you can arm it and join an active conflict while your aggressor is literally right next to you.

      The Iranian admiral who ordered this ship to sail is an idiot and this ship was fair game.

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        They mean striking civilian targets when they say carpet bombing, they don’t mean WW2 style mass dumb bombing.

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            Bro two hospitals and a school where they haven’t shown a valid target nearby is three civilian targets too many for the most technologically advanced military in the world.

            Double tapping is just fuel on a bonfire but sure if prevaricating for fascists is your deal then carry on.

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    It’s weird how the US is turning into everything it fought against. Was fun while it lasted.

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    This is just the start. The old world broke once russia invaded Ukraine and we did nothing. Now other countries have realized that the world wont do anything if they also attack. Expansion has once again started. I expect Taiwan to be finished by summer too.

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      I get this vibe that no one knows what’s going on anymore and everything is just running on the fumes of the zeitgeist and conspiracy theories.

      I find the fact that the whole world “knows” that China will invade Taiwan in 2027 to be really strange. And this has been the case for years. It feels like certain groups are taking it as a foregone conclusion.

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        Because in a sea of massive uncertainty and chaos that’s around us today, China invading Taiwan in the middle of this makes the most sense out of anything that’s happening right now. It makes so much sense, that everyone has collectively realized it would be stupid for China not to invade Taiwan right now.

        I mean, it’s really, really bad for the world, but it would be stupid if they didn’t do it and take advantage of what’s happening everywhere.

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    It’s in the same category as the Highway of Death, where it’s not technically a war crime, but it’s close enough to one that you get the feeling that it should be.

    It’s a moot point anyway, as even if the girls school bombing and any other reported attacks on civilian targets were completely accidental and unintentional, the following two crimes would still have been committed by the Amero-Israeli politicians and brass:

    1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace
    2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace

    Rudolph Hess was found guilty of the above two crimes (but not to war crimes or crimes against humanity) at Nuremberg and sentenced to life in prison. War crimes and crimes against humanity are very provable against a lot of the Israeli brass and political elite, as well as the American political elite, and those crimes were often met with a sentence of execution.

    It’s very unlikely that we’ll get a Nuremburg out of this whole thing, but the legal precedent is quite clear.

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      Oh this is definitely a war crime. It was murder, they were not even at war with us. We found a helpless ship and sunk it for fun killing the majority of the sailors. Absolutely disgusting.

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        It’s always a bit of a fuzzy line when it comes to submarine warfare, especially in modern times. A submarine on the surface is so vulnerable that in most military contexts, it would be suicidal to surface in a combat zone. At the same time, a military ship is a completely legitimate target, even if it’s defenceless. However, this wasn’t exactly a “combat zone”, since it was a ship with no escorts known to be defenceless, and very far from any friendly forces capable of assisting it or attacking the submarine.

        The rules and customs of war at sea definitively state that you have to offer aid to the crew of a ship you sink. They didn’t do that, they just left them for dead. You could argue that a submarine doesn’t have the capability to render aid, given the aforementioned necessity of staying submerged, but there was another option. They could have stayed at periscope depth (they were already at periscope depth in order to film the heckin epic sinking of a defenceless ship), radioed them with an order to stop and informed them that they had 10 minutes to abandon ship before they were sunk, and then torpedoed them. This would have satisfied the rules and customs of war, and still have gotten them their torpedo video, while not endangering the sub (especially since Iran had no way to hit it back).

        In short, I’ve definitely come around to the position that this was a war crime, but I would argue that it is only so because they either didn’t render aid when they could have, or because they didn’t give warning (given that they would argue that they couldn’t render aid) when they could have. Don’t take explanation of the nuance of the situation as sympathy fot the americans, if there was a button that would kill every american service member i would press it without hesitation.

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    So we blew up a ship because it belonged to the wrong country and not because it was a threat?

    It sure sounds like our country is at war with their country. Good thing my super trustworthy government got out ahead of that one and told us it’s not a war.

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      no, you see… they are at war with us but we are just pre-empting their threats. Like… have you seen the way these people stared at us? They clearly hated us for some reason. And you know how dangerous people are when they are that full of hatred

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        Iran doesn’t like Israel so it was a pre-preemptive strike on behalf of our dearest ally.

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      Not only that, but it sure looked like they waited for them to muster at a known time and then hit that section of the ship.

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    The US desperately needs to change the regime, because otherwise they know the same will happen to their oil tankers eventually.